THEOLOGICAL FATALISM - ALLAH'S WILL and OTHER CHARACTERISTICS
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Whats correct for one person may not be correct for another..... 'know thyself'...
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peace
We might be all different on the outside, but we're all the same on the inside.
That's why DETAILS ruin everything. We all want peace and happiness, and there is a WIDE path we can follow. It's when people make the path narrower and narrower with their details that the truth is lost.
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Peace Phoenix1
Who told you I don't have open minded skepticism about the quran?
Well whoever whispered in your ear that dirty lil rumor, it's wrong .. ssh
I believe no matter how in tune to your inner self you are, you will inevitably feel the very human negative emotions... There is a good way of coping with these emotions and then there's a bad way that leads to self-destruction.
By the way, thats just my own take on things, its not from the quran or anything else. If something else encompasses that statement then cool...
So anyone who tries to sell that they're so well-adjusted that they never feels anger or sadness or grief or heartache is selling me a bunch of baloney, with no offense to anyone on this forum at all.
I believe anything that helps you get thru life with peace and contentment is worth believing in... it's just turning it into something it's not is where you start walking out on a ledge ...
Part of what makes us human is the strife we all must face and that we all can have comfort in knowing we're not alone in that
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peace BOOST,
Who told you I don't have open minded skepticism about the quran?
I assumed. Sorry for making an ass out of u and me.
But it was a comment to everyone in general.I believe no matter how in tune to your inner self you are, you will inevitably feel the very human negative emotions... There is a good way of coping with these emotions and then there's a bad way that leads to self-destruction.
I don't think there are any negative emotions. Emotions are neutral. Whether they are bad or good for us depends on if and how we use them. A small, controlled flame is very useful to us. But if it grows and gets out of control, we will burn (in hell).
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Peace Phoenix1
I like your analogy skills D and I agree with you it's all about how you cope/channel/use them.
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Peace Phoenix1
Sorry i didn't see anything relating to jinn in your analogy but cool
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Peace be upon you Boost,
Don't mean to be rude I'm just making some observations...
As long as you are sincere and speak maturely, I dont see how you can be rude
Idolfree1 are you supposing that if we follow Kemetic ideology we would somehow have solutions to all our problems in life?
Yes, however that answer is not clear cut as it would seem. Most people see it as the avoidance of problems in life, trying to situate your life so that you have no adversity and have all pleasure, thats not what is being referred to here. That is impossible, we are ALL tested with adversity. However, the knowledge of how to address problems so that you maintain your PEACE throughout is what we are talking about.
If so, I feel like I'm being prostyletised
I dont know what that word means, please explain.
... I have yet to know if this way of thinking would help me understand life and cope with life's problems, so I can't make a judgment call on that issue.
Respected, and that is exactly where you should be at this point. One must study and apply TRUTH to verify it before one can agree with it.
But I know that everyone has problems and nobody is immune to the crap we go thru in this world .
Correct, everyone is sent ADVERSITY, but as you must surely confirm, not everyone RESPONDS to a particular adversity in the same way. And this is the CRUX of the issue, our RESPONSE. Our RESPONSES to the "triggers" of life are AUTOMATIC from the subconscious, and it is the subconscious that we must reprogram to give the CORRECT automatic response. That is the purpose of salaat.
So I just feel a bit skeptical when someone tries to sell me a "way of life" that would magically transform my life into this utopia. That somehow I will be above the very human emotions of heartbreak, grief, regret, guilt, anger, sadness and dejection...
Yes, those emotions are VERY HUMAN, but Knowledge of SELF, when understood shows you that you are not a HUMAN having a spiritual experience, but a SPIRIT having a human experience. With all of the emotions you listed, you must realize that not everyone responds to events the same way, so what might be heartbreak, grief, regret to some will not be to others, THEREFORE, it is not the EVENT ITSELF that is responsible for those emotions, it is our RESPONSE, do you see and verify that? If not, we can break this down further because this is a crucial aspect and can be EMPIRICALLY verified.
If the solutions to life's problems you were alluding to in your list of questions is not a way of curing it but a way of coping with it then I'd be more inclined to believe it.
If there is a fire in your house, you dont "cope" with the fire. I am talking about transcendence here, and we have all experienced it, we just need to apply it to all things. A big problem is that we are given models of humans to live up to when we should be using the GOD as our example to live up to. Our goal here is to be GOD-LIKE all the time. That is the standard we should be using.
But of course, all of the answers to these questions for me is YES.
Thank you for your honesty and please hang in there with me as I try to lay the foundation. The answers to these questions are YES for everyone unless they just want to deliberately be difficult.
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If so, I feel like I'm being prostyletised
I dont know what that word means, please explain.
The word is a typo or mispelled and should be proselytized.
To induce someone to convert to one's own religious faith.
To induce someone to join one's own political party or to espouse one's doctrine.
To convert (a person) from one belief, doctrine, cause, or faith to another.Come'on Kyle, be a little "creative".
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Peace be upon you Pheonix1,
I'm not speaking for Idolfree1 here, but I believe their is a "correct" way to live our life. Whether that leads to troubles (BECAUSE the rest of the world doesn't follow it) is not that philosophy's fault.
And isn't this what the quran teaches as well? that there is a "straight path" for us to follow?
I don't think it's about eliminating external suffering, but getting rid of INternal suffering that most of us are going through in our lives. Whatever happens in the physical world, our hearts are at peace.Beautifully said!!! I wish I understood that at your age ;D
What you explained is the symbolism of mummification, we are not subject to the EXTERNAL conditions.
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Peace be upon you Enquirer,
Whats correct for one person may not be correct for another..... 'know thyself'...
Yes, "know thySELF", not "know thySELVES". The SELF is ONE. It is correct for ALL PEOPLE to be God-Like.
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Peace be upon you Danish,
The word is a typo or mispelled and should be proselytized.
To induce someone to convert to one's own religious faith.
To induce someone to join one's own political party or to espouse one's doctrine.
To convert (a person) from one belief, doctrine, cause, or faith to another.I thought it meant something like that, but I tried to copy and paste it to my dictionary and didnt find anything.
With this understanding, I am definately doing that, I am certainly trying to convince others of verifyable truth, BUT I am not FORCING anyone. Its only common sense to try to convince others of something you have learned that is beneficial to thier lives.
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Peace be upon you Enquirer,
Whats correct for one person may not be correct for another..... 'know thyself'...
Yes, "know thySELF", not "know thySELVES". The SELF is ONE. It is correct for ALL PEOPLE to be God-Like.
Well, that depends whether you're addressing a single person (thySELF) or several at a time (thySELVES), like you said that it is correct for ALL PEOPLE. Besides, how would you relate the "know thySELF" to "put yourself in others' shoes"?
As much as I would love to further my knowledge in Kemetic Philosophy, I'd like you to first explain "What is God-Like"?
Kyle, I may sound harsh in questioning, but please take this as a discussion and nothing personal. You must satisfy your reasoning by logical and/or scientific deductions for what we KNOW is TRUTH. Just keep in mind that anything delusional, an assumption or an imagination will immediately put you on the wrong spot and defenseless.
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and Peace also with you Idolfree1
THEREFORE, it is not the EVENT ITSELF that is responsible for those emotions, it is our RESPONSE, do you see and verify that? If not, we can break this down further because this is a crucial aspect and can be EMPIRICALLY verified.
I agree with you that our response is our emotions but ... how do you stay at peace when a loved one was brutally murdered or raped? How do you stay at peace when your son or daughter has decided to take a destructive path and heading for trouble? There are times when being at peace and happy does not work. Certain events trigger our fright or flight response rushing adrenaline thru our veins. Other events can make us depressed like those with seasonal depression who start to feel depressed after days without seeing the sun. These are events that induce emotions. If I'm running away from a stalker I can't be worried about how at peace I am with the world. Being in a calm, peaceful state only works when all is well with the world. But when traumatic things happen, it is a very human and normal reaction to cry, scream, panic, etc. You could eventually work your way to a peaceful state and don't let those emotions control you, but having them at least initially I think is inevitable in some circumstances.
If you disagree please explain with real-life examples. Sometimes ideas look really good in theory but in the real world they can prove to be unrealistic
And thank you Danish for explaining my butchered word ;D
I was actually typing that post while on the phone ... talk about multi-tasking o
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Peace be upon you,
Idolfree1
Yes, "know thySELF", not "know thySELVES". The SELF is ONE. It is correct for ALL PEOPLE to be God-Like.Well, that depends whether you're addressing a single person (thySELF) or several at a time (thySELVES), like you said that it is correct for ALL PEOPLE.
The concept of SELF, when we are talking about Knowledge of SELF, is always singular. The SELF is the ONE CONSCIOUSNESS that manifests through all beings.
Besides, how would you relate the "know thySELF" to "put yourself in others' shoes"?
All Beings consist of the ONE CONSCIOUSNESS(SELF) and the multitude of "persons". The word "person" means "through sound", meaning that your vehicle is that which a sound flows through. To make it simple, mankind is joined at the top and seperate at the bottom. When we speak of putting ourselves in other "persons" places, we are speaking of the seperate portion of BEING.
As much as I would love to further my knowledge in Kemetic Philosophy, I'd like you to first explain "What is God-Like"?
"God-Like" speaks of the behavior that best benefits each person and the whole. We ascertain this TRUTH by looking at the relationships of life. We are talking science here. Science is not oppossed to God, Science proves God.
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Peace be upon you Boost,
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THEREFORE, it is not the EVENT ITSELF that is responsible for those emotions, it is our RESPONSE, do you see and verify that? If not, we can break this down further because this is a crucial aspect and can be EMPIRICALLY verified.I agree with you that our response is our emotions but ... how do you stay at peace when a loved one was brutally murdered or raped? How do you stay at peace when your son or daughter has decided to take a destructive path and heading for trouble? There are times when being at peace and happy does not work.
I am not saying that it is easy, it is hard work, but after every difficulty is relief. What I am saying is that you have to work right now on preparing your spirit for difficult times that are sure to come to everyone. Being at peace always works because the opposite of being at peace is stress and emotion, which clouds your reasoning. When you are in a difficult situation, you need to be able to reason the solution properly, if you fall victim to emotions, you will dig yourself deeper.
Let me ask you this , if your child was murdered, what would be the difference in you staying at peace and taking care of the responsibilities needed to be handled and helping other family members cope, etc, as oppossed to falling apart and not being able to handle responsibility and possibly not being able to go to work and make a living and not being able to attend to the rest of your children, etc etc. ?
I am not saying it is easy, we have to prepare for it. But can you see the logic of it? Who taught us that the response to death was sadness? Why are there different levels of this "sadness" depending on how close the person is to us? )
Certain events trigger our fright or flight response rushing adrenaline thru our veins. Other events can make us depressed like those with seasonal depression who start to feel depressed after days without seeing the sun. These are events that induce emotions. If I'm running away from a stalker I can't be worried about how at peace I am with the world.
Yes, the fight or flight response is pre programmed in us and is useful, so we dont reprogram that. What I am saying is that our first response to anything is Peace, then we apply the CORRECT emotion based on proper reasoning. because as you just stated, our responses are automatic, like flight or flight when a car is abot to run us over and we jump out of the way. We do not reprogram that because we dont want to die. ) But responses that are not beneficial to us we reprogram. Being sad when someone dies is a learned response. If you go to a funeral you will see people reacting in many different ways.
Being in a calm, peaceful state only works when all is well with the world. But when traumatic things happen, it is a very human and normal reaction to cry, scream, panic, etc.
No, you think it is natural because you have been conditioned since birth and so have the people around you so they "verify" your responses. But when you look objectively at others and see that not everyone responds the same way, what does that tell you? It should tell you that "sadness" ect is not a property of the thing/event itself and since it is bad for us, it is not natural.
You could eventually work your way to a peaceful state and don't let those emotions control you, but having them at least initially I think is inevitable in some circumstances.
Yes, it is inevitable in todays society because we grow up conditioned, so yes, we will start off with many emotions to transcend. I am no telling you that I am peaceful 100%, I am probably at the same level as you , but I am actively working on it through meditataion. We use imagery and truisms to role play sitations over and over in our mind. The spirit does not differentiate between what is real or imagined, that is the KEY. Professional athletes use image work to perfect thier game. If you play it over in your head successfully BEFORE it happens, you will be prepared. Some things take more repititions than others.
If you disagree please explain with real-life examples. Sometimes ideas look really good in theory but in the real world they can prove to be unrealistic
I think I have done so above, but lets try this. Suposse you have a wife or girlfriend, etc. You are "in Love" if she dies tragically, you are sad and heartbroken. But lets say, that this wife cheats on you with your best friend, and your father, and your son, then leaves you and takes all your money. This VERY SAME PERSON now dies tragically, do you think you will be "sad"? if not WHY?
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Yes, "know thySELF", not "know thySELVES". The SELF is ONE. It is correct for ALL PEOPLE to be God-Like.
Well, that depends whether you're addressing a single person (thySELF) or several at a time (thySELVES), like you said that it is correct for ALL PEOPLE.
The concept of SELF, when we are talking about Knowledge of SELF, is always singular. The SELF is the ONE CONSCIOUSNESS that manifests through all beings.
The concept of know thySelf is directly congruent/superimposed and bonded to know thySelves right from birth, without which the SELF by ITSELF cannot KNOW.
Besides, how would you relate the "know thySELF" to "put yourself in others' shoes"?
All Beings consist of the ONE CONSCIOUSNESS(SELF) and the multitude of "persons". When we speak of putting ourselves in other "persons" places, we are speaking of the seperate portion of BEING.
When we are relating thySELF with thySELVES, only then we are talking about significant WHOLE and not the entire WHOLE. An anology would be that of a TREE which is by itself a significant WHOLE and not the entire WHOLE.
As much as I would love to further my knowledge in Kemetic Philosophy, I'd like you to first explain "What is God-Like"?
"God-Like" speaks of the behavior that best benefits each person and the whole. We ascertain this TRUTH by looking at the relationships of life. We are talking science here. Science is not oppossed to God, Science proves God.
Science has never proven GOD and perhaps never will. The term "God-like", manifests duality. Everything is in its morphic dualism, i.e. the change an entity undergoes carrying with it the good and the bad. In simple words, the God-like is both good and bad, hence everything is both good and bad.