Alcohol .. Last and Final debate
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Peace zenje
The same goes for smoking by the way, in fact smoking is even more dangerous, as you destroy your health and that of those around you (such as your children, and those unfortunate enough to be around you while you are smoking - passive smoking has been found out to damage health as much if not more than direct smoking), close to home, my niece was smoking while pregnant and her child was born with some defects...
I was also a heavy smoker, such a sinner I was (3 20 cigs packs a day!). And boy how good I feel now that I have given it up too!
Allah in Al Quran advocates that there should be among us some who specialise in fiqh of deen, and there will always be some things which are not clearly accounted for, but by using our brain, logic, reason and good science, we can reach conclusions as to what is acceptable and what is not.
I do not condone Alcohol, but I cannot say to someone who asks that it is Haram, because it is not...
SalamOk its bad for our health but are you saying that we can drink it, if we want?
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Peace Bro ammarb87
Allah tells you to avoid it. Who am I to tell you the opposite?
Drinking it is up to you.
Do not wait for me to tell you what to do and not to do.
I believe that each individual has the right to exercise their freedom of choice.
Why are you waiting for someone in the forum to tell you what to do?... either you are serious about your faith and do whatever it takes to understand it, or you are just looking for excuses to exonerate yourselves from making an informed choice.
Nobody is a mufti here. There are plenty of fatwas about not drinking alcohol, and some about the opposite.
It is a sad fact that muslims now always want others to tell them what to do, without trying to get an informed choice for themselves. This is why we have the abomination of terrorism and suicide bombings. Or the opposite with individuals who accept any humiliation thrown at them and call it Islam...
Maybe you should ask your father or mother what they thinkTake care
Noble
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Peace ammarb87
You make me laugh...
You really want to drink don't you?
I tell you something, there is no way one can guarantee how your body is gong to react to it, ie it can kill you, and it does happen...
Also there is no guarantee you will not get addicted to it, because it is very addictive, and if you do get addicted to it, you are in big trouble...
To top it up, you do not know how you will handle yourself if/when you get drunk, some make the most stupid things when drunk, even life threatening things...
It is up to you really, no one is your keeper...
For health benefits, you could have red grape juice, it is as good, and without the dangers, or drink green tea...
Anyways
Take care Bro
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no u wont drink poison buts its not exactly poision. Red wine apparently is good for the health so how is it poison?
And to give an extra side-note, RED-GRAPE JUICE is the healthy part, because the red colouring of the grapes is good for you, so you can get this from just drinking red-grape juice. No need to drink the wine version of red grapes.
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Salam,
exactly the point,the healthy part which is the cortisol comes from the dark red grapes and has nothing to do with fermentation.Salam
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I think sometimes it is also beneficial for the reader of Quran to keep in mind the intent of what God is revealing.
One is asked to ponder/think/reflect on the verse 2219 after the clear signs/revelations are given.
Hence in keeping with that spirit, i reflect
Things which are forbidden are strictly pointed out. Doing them implies repercussions in the hereafter. Then there are those things which are forbidden, but exceptions made in times of emergency. Next, you arrive at those things which are permitted, but with caveats (eg meat of the people of the Book). The caveats themselves are not absolutes and open to interpretation. Next there are things which are being evaluated on their net worth and the muslim asked to make a judgement call.
To me alcohol falls in the last category. For some personally there is a certain benefit of self-gratification, which by itself, if no harm is being done to oneself or the society, is not forbidden. The greater sin, if done in excess, is what the society as a whole will bear. So, the judgement of the entire society should prevail about its use and excess.
Alcohol has not stopped the advancement of any society which has permitted it. In fact it is quite the opposite. But unless you go to the hadiths, Quran is allowing a judgement call on gambling and alcohol. You would have to pull out the hadiths then to find more about alcohol. Those who do not value much the hadiths much (and i'm one of them) can be at peace with themselves that if God had wanted, alocohol and gambling would have been forbidden right away in no uncertain terms. There has to be some wisdom in what has not been forbidden with clarity.
It's then a matter of personal choice. I do not drink alcohol because i don't see any need for it. But i'm also not going to feel guilty if at a social gathering i'm handed a glass of wine. After all, God allows that judgement call at that point. If done with the proper intent and not in excess self-indulgence, i see no point in making unlawful for yourself what God did not make unlawful in the Quran.
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With regrads to the prohibition of intoxicants in the Quran we read the following two premisses
1- God prohibited all 'ithm' (sin) 733
2- In intoxicants there is great 'Ithm' 2219
therefore
3- Intoxicants are prohibited by God.
Salam....based on the above what we call a premise....thus we can see alcohol is forbidden.share your opinions bros n sispeace
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As salamu alaykum wr wb.
Respectfully.The Quran is clear when it comes to alcohol - alcohol is sin and we cannot approach the prayer while intoxicated, right? Right.
Now, when it comes to wine, The God says that there is some benefit in it but that the haram is much bigger.The God knows that we will come to the age where and when the doctors will tell you that there is some benefit in the wine, so when The God told us that there is some benefit in the wine, The God basically told those people soemthing from our time, from the future!
I'll tell you what ask doctors or scientists if they can produce one single positive thing about alcohol. Do some heavy research on alcohol, is there any benefit in it, can a person make any proggress by drinking every day, finally what is the goal of alcohol once it i consumed?
Ask The God to guide you and give you understanding, wisdom.
May The God bless us all.
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Actually I have finished reading this article and I have a bias toward alcohol as I drink. However my own opinion is taking the verse in to consideration its OK to drink alcohol in moderation, so as-long as you're not totally out of your sense. And obviously the Qu'ran says don't pray when you're intoxicated as you don't really know what you're talking about or saying when you're under the influence. However, waiting 40 days before you can pray after you have smoked some weed or had a drink was always kinda strange to me.
If you don't drink, then its best to stay away from it, theirs no point starting. But I just don't want to quit drinking at the moment as I enjoy it for social purposes.
Allah knows best.
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Try an alchopop,that will not get you drunk unless your very sensitive to alcohol....After this i bet you will ask what all the fuss is about,one alchopop (one 330ml vk bottle.) will just relax you very slightly,two will relax you well. Its when folks drink too much or too often that problems can occur....First time i tried one alchopop hardly anything happened....Its a good way to relax and meet new people/socialise...
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Actually I have finished reading this article and I have a bias toward alcohol as I drink. However my own opinion is taking the verse in to consideration its OK to drink alcohol in moderation
i like that ,,, at least you are honest
"so lets lie and cheat in moderation" ( thanks Edip. .)peace sikandar
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Lying and cheating is equated to a small drink!!!!????? False analogy by edip....what about alcohol in medicine,is that lying and cheating as well....How about abusing people in moderation by giving them 50 lashes to brutalise them only partially???!!!
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Peace.
Here's some short articles with pictures of real drunk people.., taken for/from Dr.phil's talk show.
http//drphil.com/shows/show/407 hypno yuck o voodooI think the two verses from the quran with the word sin are adequate and made things clear regarding this topic.salam.
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peace
Edip's analogy is wrong for other reasons. The fact of the matter is that ALL OF US, lie and cheat in moderation. We would love to think that we dont, but thats just not the reality of what we are. We should do whatever is in our power to avoid the kind that is abusive. We lie to avoid conflict, to please, etc.
How do you like that nice new sweater dad and i gave you? The fact is that this new sweater looks like something the dog dug up somwhere, but you still hear your mouth say " Its nice" if you are a truthfully "honest" person you might add "but its not really my style". NEVER will you say what you thought of first. Get me right on this, i belive alcohol to be a retardant. People who drink turn into slobbering idiots, even in small amounts. it is so intoxicating and in such a horrible way that it should have skulls on the labels.