Night is at sunset?or whn there is total darkness?
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Peace be upon you
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Yusuf Ali And establish regular prayers at the two ends of the day and at the approaches of the night for those things that are good remove those that are evil be that the word of remembrance to those who remember (their Lord)
Transliteration Wa aqimis sala_ta tarafayin naha_ri wa zulafam minal lail(i), innal hasana_ti yuzhibnas sayyi'a_t(i), za_lika zikra_ liz za_kirin(a).
TWO ENDS OF THE DAY
The two ends of the day should have some light, even little light.
Now, how will the TWO ENDS OF THE NIGHT look like?
Dark or light ?
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Salam guest,
the white thread of dawn distinguished from black thread we look to the sky,and at night the sky is absolutely dark.I dunt think the moonlight is considered as in the early morning we can sometimes still see the moon.The moonlight is not in the equation.And we must note there are days where there are no moons at all.Sky is black lightless,during the night.And the sun is the measuring device if i am not wrogn...but the moon question was interesting.Peace
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Peace, should the moon light be taken into account when defining night (darkness)?
The moon produce no light but only reflects the Sunlight unto earth.
Should the stars be taken into account? How about street lights? Or KLCC twin tower light? For me, as for now, 7929 is enough to define night.
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He made its night dark, and brightened its morn.The earth is brightened with SUNlight regardless if it is mourning, afternoon and even during sunset, or even twinlight. CMIIW )
The next question is, how does God darkens the earth (doesnt matter where you live) ??
From this verse, i for now sees clearly what is night and when it is not night... -
peace All,
Some thoughts
"...wa (and) kuloo (eat) wa (and) ishraboo (drink) hatta (until) yatabayyana (becomes clear) lakumu (to you) al khaytu (the thread) al-abyadu (the white) mina (from) al khayti (the thread) al-aswadi (the black) mina (of) al fajri (the dawn) thumma (then) atimmoo (complete) al ssiyama (the abstinences/fast) ila (to) al layli (the night)..."
When the sun actually begins to rise above the horizon the colour of the sky has a yellow/orange/red tinge, thus it is highly unlikely that the word white/abyadu would have been used to describe this point.
So, that only leaves two options morning twilight or after sunrise. It cannot be after sunrise because becomes clear (yatabayyana) would not have been used as this point in time is obvious. This leaves only one option morning twilight (i.e. before the sun has risen above the horizon). This point in time fits perfectly with what is discussed in 2187. It is at this point when there is a sliver/thinness (kha-ya-tay) between black (night) & white (pre-dawn), and judgement is needed to determine this point in time. To further reinforce this, the judgement is to do with dawn, see below where the part in red refers to the part in blue"the white thread from the black thread of the dawn"
So eat & drink until you determine the presence of morning twilight (I believe one traditional practice is to eat & drink until one can tell the difference between a black thread and white thread, which seems reasonable). After this, the reading at dawn . Then abstain/fast til night.
My understanding is that night begins at evening twilight. This provides consistancy because just as the abstinence/fast starts at morning twilight, the abstinence/fast ends at the start of evening twilight.
The above would be for the mumineen (trustful), see here.
Wakas
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There's always day and night simultaneously somewhere on the planet. It is never totally dark or totally light when you take the world as a whole.
From world'ss perspective, light and darkness are two simultaneous states.
From one person's perspective, you see day or night. While you are looking at any state, something totally opposite is happening somewhere else. As you see around you at the sky, there is no total darkness anywhere. So night is in relation to what the sun does in relationship to the earth. The sunset is the absense of direct sunlight. You can then say that that triggers the night for the spot you are at. Even then during the night, there is never total darkness if you see the sky. Some of the light from the sun is still bounced off the moon and the atmosphere.
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Peace be upon you Wakas,
Your point about merging day & night does not prove anything, one way or the other. Think about how the salty sea is "merged" with fresh water. Both remain separate/distinct but look as one.
If you have a container of salty water "merged" with fresh water, can you sell it as Fresh Water? Why not?
Same way, how can we define a time period that contains both day and night as "Day" only, or "Night" only? Regardless of if they are both present yet not mixed or mixed?
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The weird things is that there are places which do NOT have complete darkness during quite some time during the year. For example in scandinavia, during the summer, the dusk is merged into the dawn without any dark portion in between. This is not an odd condition. And this is not an odd area.
What's up with the directions? Should'nt they be valid for all of Earth? Or are we missing something? Since the fasting month moves around the year, according to traditions, there will regularly be times when there is fasting, but no dark period. In north it happens during summer. Some say the fasting time is during the hottest month. This is in summer up north... when there is no whole darkness.This whole matter confuses me.... timing of the fast during the year, during the day... . . .. .
peace all
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peace,
Do you think this sky line phenomena is clearly visible throughout the year in all seasons in middle east particularly Mecca and Medina ?
I haven't researched it so wouldn't know for sure. I have heard nothing to the contrary. If you know differently, let us know.
Zulf, see 2185 for a possible answer "...faman shahida minkumu alshshahra falyasumhu..."
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Peace,
I agree with Wakas's earlier posting where he defines night/layl = twilights (morning & evening) and pitch black night. Basically all the time the sun is not there. This is reasonable because
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It does not violate Quranic verses
a. God mentioned dawn and sunset but does not say it is not part of the night -
It does not contradict the following situations
a. Night with light or pure dark night
b. Day/Night boundary is clean and calculate able
c. The boundary remains the same weather it is a clear or cloudy day
d. The boundary is not subjective
e. Dark day such as solar eclipse or under volcanic eruption -
In exceptional situation such as near the poles, God advises us to use reason as long as the reason is well balanced with passion
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If pure darkness is used for defining night then conditions in item 2 and 3 are violated
Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
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Peace be upon you Wakas,
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If you have a container of salty water "merged" with fresh water, can you sell it as Fresh Water? Why not?No, because it is not "fresh water" only.
Please clarify your position, what is your reference for twilight in 'al quran'?
My reference is clear observation. Daytime is when it is light, nighttime is when it is dark. The God describes dawn and dusk as times when day and night merge. If they are MERGING, then they are clearly BOTH day and night and cannot be included with either one to the exclusion of the other.
So we have 4 sections 1) Dusk 2) Night 3) Dawn 4) Day
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Peace be upon you Brother,
So if you are saying daytime is when there is light, do you mean twilight is daytime too? I still dont understand where you classify twilight.
Let me organize it this way
Day= Period when you can see the FULL Sun at the horizon at sunrise until you can see the FULL SUN at the horizon at sunset
Twilight= Dawn and Dusk, the time period starting with dusk when the sun begins to be covered by the horizon, until there is no more glimpse of the suns light coming out of the horizon. Same way with sunrise, from the time when light becomes visable above the horizon until just before you can see the FULL SUN.
Night= No sunlight at all
