Liberal Islam vs 'Quran-alone' Islam
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Before I add my input to this may I say how good the replies were from Adley, Jankern and Layth, kudos guys - it feels good that there are others who think in such a way.
My views are the same as the people who have posted previously. And on my views regarding you main question, although this may not be the case for all those who call themselves 'Liberals' from what I have seen Liberal Islam seems to be a movement for the sake of fitting in with Kuffar values and the general 'western world' whatever that may be.
From what I have seen of many people who are considered leaders of this liberal movement especially a certain foreign individual who operates in the United Kingdom is that their and his intentions are severely misplaced and they seem to be openly and not ashamed to say they are doing it for the sake of fitting in the Western World whatever these individuals see that as.
We all understand how a person's intentions lie at the heart of the consequences of their actions, if someone's intentions are to change Islam to please others in the dunya of this world then we obviously know what their fate will be and what their works will amount to in the end.
What I see in what is considered as the 'Qur'an Alone' movement is something totally different, I see people who have had various experiences and have been exposed to certain things that have led them to believe that the current practise of Islam is not how God deemed us to practise. Only God knows best, but what I see from a lot of people in this situation is a sincere intent to try and find the truth regardless of how futile or misplaced this may be.
They tend to have less dealings with non-Muslim organisations and don't seem to have this Muslim Apologetic approach many liberal organisations do, they; quite rightly, are more involved with themselves, their own actions and each other instead of a Christian-style missionary movement because they know the importance of finding the truth and rooting out the mistruths for their own beliefs before inviting others to them. This said, when they are clear in finding something that they see as wrong they waste no time in telling each other about it.
Concerning myself, I have the same views as my brothers who have previously posted and I think the majority of Muslims around the world have a similar attitude. I am a Muslim, I am not a 'Sunni Muslim', I am not a 'Shi'i Muslim', I am not a 'Qur'an Only Muslim', I am not a 'Liberal Muslim' I am simply a Muslim. I submit myself to the Ruler of Existence and I am a brother to those who do not associate others with the Almighty and who uphold the same moral code as I, the criterion delivered to mankind by God, which is the Qur'an.
This alone, I am a Muslim, whether 'Sunni', 'Shia' or whatever puts us all in union, in a united ummah, if upheld, this guarantees respect towards other Muslims and surely will guarantee our progression as one ummah, in our beliefs, our practises and our obligations toward each other. Alhamdullillahi Rab Al-'Alimeen, I thank God for softening my heart towards all Muslims.
With regards to Hadith, as intelligent beings, we cannot disregard them completely; scrutiny must still be in place, as it is still a source valuable information. May the individual who managed to reconstruct Sirat Rasulollah be rewarded for his services as we would not have the historical information about our prophet. The distinction is simple, our religious source is the Qur'an - this contains the important stuff - with it we have a guidance, a historical source is the assorted hadith and whatever other reports we can get our hands upon, with these, we have a context, even though it is not as important as the guidance, it is helpful for certain things.
Without it, we would not know about the actions of the prophet and his wonderful behaviour, we would not know about all the hardships he endured, and with this knowledge, it has made me love and respect him, I believe he was the most noble human being, who less would God send as the seal of the prophets?
This is the conclusion I have come to, I am a Muslim, I uphold the Qur'an, I am not going to throw away hadith but I will scrutinise it and use it to learn more about a greater context. With this, I believe, the people born into or living amongst all various sects may be united.
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peace
I don't think I would call myself a 'muslim.' No, I'm not being humble, but I just think that the Quran's true message is so radically different from what Muslims follow (with their five pillars) that the label just doesn't fit anymore.
I believe truth can be found anywhere. So I don't strictly follow "quran alone" either.
And the last thing this forum needs is a label. We can't become just another sect that's trying to "reform" islam.
I don't see myself as a reformist, but an apostate. Our job isn't to improve or modernize this religion of islam, but leave this idea of religion behind all together. The rituals, the importance to physical objects and places, the worshipping of an invisible super man in the sky, the countless details, the unfair rules, the worshipping of prophets, all take people's focus away from what they should be focusing on (their self), and require blind belief.
"Islam" is not a religion. It's a word. Very much like "boy" is just a word. It's a word that means something. We need to leave all preconceptions behind when approaching the word "islam," so that we can understand completely what it means.
Also, I don't think this forum can have a label. There is no one dominant view. Some here will agree with what I've said above, some will think I'm nuts. There is diversity on this forum, and thank God for that. -
How is Liberal Islam different from the Quran-alone approach? ... free-minds.org describe them as 'myth' ...
In my opinion, both the five pillar approach and the Quran alone approach are wrong from the point of education psychology ? association of ideas and conditioning of reflex.
The five pillar approach, the traditional classifying of Islam?s aspects, traditional formulization of Islam?s ideological structure (aqayed, rituals, purifications, kalam, fiqh, tasawwf) has turned our hearts into stones. The reason why we are suffering from Jewish syndromes lies in this.
On the other hand, I don?t know how I can live with Quran alone. I am to learn from what I see, I am to learn from what I hear, I am to learn from what others experience, science, history ?
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I don't think I would call myself a 'muslim.' No, I'm not being humble, but I just think that the Quran's true message is so radically different from what Muslims follow (with their five pillars) that the label just doesn't fit anymore.
I don't know how you can say this in light of what is said in the Qur'an and the meaning of the word 'Muslim', and to base and change yourself because of a majority is nonsensical. You cannot say 'I don't want to call myself a Muslim because I'm associating myself with those lot' such an attitude is defeatist and backward, the conduct of others does not typify what a 'Muslim' should be.
O ye who believe! Bow down and prostrate yourselves, and worship your Lord, and do good, that haply ye may prosper And strive for Allah with the endeavour which is His right. He hath chosen you and hath not laid upon you in religion any hardship; the faith of your father Ibrahim (is yours). He hath named you Muslims of old time and in this (Scripture), that the messenger may be a witness against you, and that ye may be witnesses against mankind. So establish worship, pay the poor due, and hold fast to Allah. He is your Protecting Friend. A blessed Patron and a blessed Helper. (Qur'an 227
And the last thing this forum needs is a label. We can't become just another sect that's trying to "reform" islam.
No-one here has said or implied such a thing...
Our job isn't to improve or modernize this religion of islam, but leave this idea of religion behind all together.
We can debate over the usage of the English word 'Religion' for the Arabic word 'Deen' but unless you are clear in what you mean, this means very little. Religion or Deen? Because God certainly bestowed the Deen upon us.
The rituals, the importance to physical objects and places, the worshipping of an invisible super man in the sky.
Sorry, I'm not sure whether you are a Muslim or not, but if you are; how exactly do you treat the Qur'an and the message contained within it? What do you think its purpose is? A collection of idle metaphors?
the countless details, the unfair rules, the worshipping of prophets,
I really don't think you should say such a thing, it's a ridiculously sweeping comment of Muslims, I certainly don't worship the Prophets and I think it's silly to say that the majority of Muslims do so, yes, some mention Muhammad's name in the Masjid, some pray for his blessing, but come on, let's be reasonable.
all take people's focus away from what they should be focusing on (their self),
Perhaps you've encountered the wrong Muslims, but good Muslims certainly focus on themselves, and fear the consequences of their actions in all things, and Muslims - like Jews were once - are accused of being too introverted in their religion and not wishing to have greater relations but at the end of the day they certainly aren't as self-righteous as many denominations of Christianity that have missionary and cultist tactics ingrained in their ideologies and spouted by their pastors - from what I have seen, as soon as you start worshipping Jesus you're pretty much ok and then its time for you to spread the ideology.
"Islam" is not a religion. It's a word. Very much like "boy" is just a word. It's a word that means something. We need to leave all preconceptions behind when approaching the word "islam," so that we can understand completely what it means.
I've heard these comments before, they're simply a detraction from the real argument attempting to serve as a valid point when infact they're empty comments when the person mentioning such themselves does not abide by what they say. You speak of just 'words' of course, come on, how do you think I'm communicating with you? Pictures? If you are genuine in what you say then next time try explaining what you mean by the word 'Religion' and then perhaps your sentences will have meaning as well.
Also, I don't think this forum can have a label. There is no one dominant view. Some here will agree with what I've said above, some will think I'm nuts. There is diversity on this forum, and thank God for that.
Again, no-one, including the individual who started this thread has implied such a thing so I'm not sure what relevance such a comment has here...
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I don't know how you can say this in light of what is said in the Qur'an and the meaning of the word 'Muslim', and to base and change yourself because of a majority is nonsensical. You cannot say 'I don't want to call myself a Muslim because I'm associating myself with those lot' such an attitude is defeatist and backward, the conduct of others does not typify what a 'Muslim' should be.
peace Al quraishi,
There is no group called "muslims." I don't belong to any group that call themselves "muslims." God is the judge. God decides whether I am muslim or not. I don't call myself muslim because I claim to follow the quran. So maybe I am muslim or not, that's up to God to decide. I don't think anyone can call themselves muslim.
I'm saying we shouldn't call ourselves muslims not because another group does, but because there is no "we."
Also, as far as people who havn't read the quran are concerned. I won't call myself simply a muslim because to them the word muslim means a person who prays 5 times a day facing mecca. Words hold different meanings to different people. I would explain my position a bit clearly and explain what I think muslim and islam mean.
But I do take Muslim to mean "sectarian." Maybe I'm wrong in doing that, but that's just me. Maybe I'll change.Also, I never said anyone implied anything. I was just explaining my stance to Alamak. People do come here and put labels on us. I just wanted to make it clear that I don't like titles nor do others.
We can debate over the usage of the English word 'Religion' for the Arabic word 'Deen' but unless you are clear in what you mean, this means very little. Religion or Deen? Because God certainly bestowed the Deen upon us.
Religion, to me, means people giving priests and books ultimate authority in everything. Having blind belief in them because you are afraid you will go to hell if you don't have "faith." That's religion to me. I know that that's not what the word means, exactly. Religion= christianity, islam, judaisim, hinduism. Whatever these religions have in common is religion. I'll just use 'blind faith' from now on.
Sorry, I'm not sure whether you are a Muslim or not, but if you are; how exactly do you treat the Qur'an and the message contained within it? What do you think its purpose is? A collection of idle metaphors?
I treat the Quran as I would anyother book. It contains a message that we have to verify (something the quran taught me to do). But I like to give it the benefit of the doubt in some matters. For now.
I don't know what you mean by "idle metaphors," but I doubt the metaphors in the quran are idle.I've heard these comments before, they're simply a detraction from the real argument attempting to serve as a valid point when infact they're empty comments when the person mentioning such themselves does not abide by what they say. You speak of just 'words' of course, come on, how do you think I'm communicating with you? Pictures? If you are genuine in what you say then next time try explaining what you mean by the word 'Religion' and then perhaps your sentences will have meaning as well.
Why the hostile approach? what argument?
Is "islam" a word, or not? of course it is. Please explain what you meant.
I meant we have to look at the quran as anyother book, the word islam as anyother word, without any preconceptions. If that's meaningless to you, then I'm fine with it. But I believe we should be unbiased in our search for truth.Again, no-one, including the individual who started this thread has implied such a thing so I'm not sure what relevance such a comment has here...
I never implied that someone had implied such a thing. Sorry for offending you with that statement. I wasn't refuting anyone's arguments when I was posting that. Maybe it all came out the wrong way.
The five pillar approach, the traditional classifying of Islams aspects, traditional formulization of Islams ideological structure (aqayed, rituals, purifications, kalam, fiqh, tasawwf) has turned our hearts into stones. The reason why we are suffering from Jewish syndromes lies in this.
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People do come here and put labels on us.
That's their problem and it isn't ours eh
Religion, to me, means people giving priests and books ultimate authority in everything. Having blind belief in them because you are afraid you will go to hell if you don't have "faith." That's religion to me. I know that that's not what the word means, exactly. Religion= christianity, islam, judaisim, hinduism. Whatever these religions have in common is religion. I'll just use 'blind faith' from now on.
Thank you for explaining what you meant, obviously I take the more standardised meaning of the word, but there are aspects of what you say in many religions but really, mainstream Islam certainly does not do that, what you are describing by the word 'Religion' seems to be a good description of Catholicism.
Also, as far as people who havn't read the quran are concerned. I won't call myself simply a muslim because to them the word muslim means a person who prays 5 times a day facing mecca. Words hold different meanings to different people.
It's pretty obvious and well known what the word means, one who submits to the will of God, i.e. his will expressed in the message delivered delivered to us.
I don't know what you mean by "idle metaphors," but I doubt the metaphors in the quran are idle.
I hope you knew very well that I certainly didn't mean that...
Why the hostile approach? what argument?
We have a difference in opinion, and in many arguments I have read such things being said.
What I said was true and It seems you've responded to it in the last post, you can't say such a thing without explaining what you mean when you disuss these words i.e. 'Religion'.
I meant we have to look at the quran as anyother book, the word islam as anyother word, without any preconceptions. If that's meaningless to you, then I'm fine with it. But I believe we should be unbiased in our search for truth.
Of course it isn't meaningless to me, you know that, Islam has its meaning of 'Submission' and I explained to you previously what 'Submitting' was, what made me inclusive of all peoples openly accepting 'Submission' was the very fact that we shouldn't judge and be exclusive sectarians.
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Islam has its meaning of 'Submission'.
What does this submission mean? Where from this submission begins? Is it submission to an ideology?, to a Book? to prophet Muhammad? to Imams of fiqh or kalam? All of us will say no to it. To submit to God is an act of heart. It is a state of heart. Bilal, in Mecca, was not less Muslim when there was not even so much Quran at their hands, let alone kalam and fiqh.
But if I ask one about how to be a Muslim, he shall obviously begin from aqayed, then shall he proceeded with rituals, ablution, etc. At the very beginning, the inquirer?s head shall be crammed with huge thoughts that he shall have to take without understanding, and this is against the approach of the Quran. He shall be told to accept these as he has not yet attained the requisite qualifications. But the Quran can inspire and argue with even laymen devoid of deep philosophical insight.
Submission to God is easy to understand. We all know how to submit. We all have a clear idea of good and evil that we carry in our hearts. The Quran storms at the right place. But our theologians made it so clumsy and hard that without being an imitator, it is impossible to submit to God.
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Peace be with you all,
I'm new around here. Did a search in this forum and couldn't find a clear answer to this How is Liberal Islam different from the Quran-alone approach? According to wikipedia, most liberals still hold on to the five pillars of Islam and six elements of faith, while free-minds.org describe them as 'myth'. Are there any liberals in this forum? Do you identify yourself as a Quran-alone Muslim or do you still believe in some hadith? And what about Quran-alone Muslims, do you identify yourselves as liberals? Are the two terms interchangable at all? I realize that neither are formal distinct movements, but I would love to hear your thoughts on this...
Peace alamak,
Well since you're Malaysian you might already know that there is a group called the 'Liberal Islam Network' active in Indonesia. I was once attracted to their thoughts but later drifted away because they only pay lip service to the Qur'an, and they seem to be sucking up to their Western sponsors too much. That and the fact that their discussion group is filled with Christians.
Those liberals adopt an 'anything goes' stance over Qur'anic interpretations, trying to fit interpretations to their 'modern' and very Western views.
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Just to add one more point
Is there any reason why the following things missed the list of pillars?
- Fulfilling promises, agreements, oaths
- Maintaining relations, family and societal ties
- Truthfulness, justice, forgiveness, cooperation
In traditional system of Islam, a boy gets these ideas long after the huge list of problems and solutions regarding formalities of rituals. And by that time the boy?s mind gets obsessed by those and the prime spiritual and social values get only a secondary position.
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Peace
This is my position on hadith and sira of Prophet Mohammed as an answer to Bro. Al-Quraishi, and maybe others might find my little contribution useful.- In his day, and before the revelation there is no mention of Prophet Mohammed past actions in the Quran, apart from him being of the heedless.
- In the Quran, it also states that in the Prophet is for us a good example to follow.
- In no way was the Prophet described as looking for other sources to improve his guidance.
- His only source of guidance was the Quran, even if there was other sources of information from the People of the Book on the Bible.
- The Information he got on the Prophets was revealed to him, and he was not encouraged to seek any other information but what was revealed to him (within certain historical boundaries).
- Since the Quran was revealed in stages, there were times when the Prophet grew impatient and tried to speed up the revelation by reading it faster, he was admonished for that.
- Now I go back that we are told that in the Prophet is a good example for us to follow.
- As for him, we must only rely for our guidance on the revelation he received, ie The Quran.
- By not doing so, this would amount as if for him having looked for other source of guidance than he was revealed (such as finding out about Jesus how he lived, or John the Baptist, or Zakariah, etc)
- By looking into finding how he lived his life, what he was doing as an individual, all of these are distracting us from what Allah revealed to us and him, ie The Quran, and we are therefore not following his example...
- Only what Allah cared to convey in The Quran should we be concerned with.
As a result, the Hadith collection issue is settled...
It was done but was not ordained by Allah, therefore is not binding on the ones who want to be guided by Allah...
The only revelation we have, as the Prophet had, is The Quran.
Take care Bro/s
Salam
Noble
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Peace be upon you alamak,
First of all, I don't call myself "quranist", "quran alone Muslim", "Shia Muslim", "Sunni Muslim". Simply "Muslim", period (I know only God knows I am truly muslim or not but this is what I declare). If I mention a kind of "label", then it is merely to make referencing easier.
Peace be with you all,
I'm new around here. Did a search in this forum and couldn't find a clear answer to this How is Liberal Islam different from the Quran-alone approach? According to wikipedia, most liberals still hold on to the five pillars of Islam and six elements of faith, while free-minds.org describe them as 'myth'.
As far as my observation is concerned, liberal is sometimes linked with westernized Muslims.
Are there any liberals in this forum? Do you identify yourself as a Quran-alone Muslim or do you still believe in some hadith?
I believe in hadiths, neither as source of laws nor source of guidances. In other words, I believe in hadith as it should be corrupted historical texts.
And what about Quran-alone Muslims, do you identify yourselves as liberals? Are the two terms interchangable at all? I realize that neither are formal distinct movements, but I would love to hear your thoughts on this...
Sometimes the terms are interchangeable but in general people perceive them differently.
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On the other hand, I don?t know how I can live with Quran alone. I am to learn from what I see, I am to learn from what I hear, I am to learn from what others experience, science, history ?
I understand that bro. I also don't know how I can live with quran alone. I need girl, foods, drinks, cars, jobs, education, etc. I cannot even understand arabic quran, I need translations and arabic-english dictionaries. How can I live with quran alone? Quran alone is far from enough for me. Those who claim quran alone is enough must have gone crazy! ;D
OK, joke aside now the serious part ...
In the beginning of my quest for the truth, I was also wondering whether quran alone is really enough for me. And then I came to the verses below
1745 When you read the Quran, we place between you and those who do not believe in the Hereafter an invisible barrier.
1746 We place shields around their minds, to prevent them from understanding it, and deafness in their ears. And when you preach your Lord, using the Quran alone, they run away in aversion.I believe the verses are one of the criterion whether we truly believe in the Hereafter or only claim to do so. The criteria is simple Those who don't believe in the Hereafter really hate it very much when Islam is represented in quran alone. Interestingly, even after knowing the verses, "some" choose deliberately and knowingly to be among those who don't believe in the Hereafter according to the criterion of quran.
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Peace everyone,
But if I ask one about how to be a Muslim, he shall obviously begin from aqayed, then shall he proceeded with rituals, ablution, etc. At the very beginning, the inquirers head shall be crammed with huge thoughts that he shall have to take without understanding, and this is against the approach of the Quran. He shall be told to accept these as he has not yet attained the requisite qualifications.
A bit off topic, but you raised an interesting point here. I agree that the approach of the religion teaching towards fellow Muslims and non-Muslims alike is all wrong. The first and foremost, paramount point, as stressed in almost every page of the Quran, is submission to God. To become a 'believer', to truly have faith in the existence in God, submitting to his greatness, and reject evil. All other practices come after that. Yet it's always an automatic response by many Muslims, when asked what is Islam about, to desribe the rituals first. I come from a multi-religious/cultural country, and the first things that come to other people's minds are that you have to pray five times a day, and be able to marry up to four wives at a time. And all sense of spirituality takes on a backseat. I mean, sure you can't blame them for having that impression (mostly out of plain ignorance, which I don't blame them for), but let's just step back and think about how the born-again Christians preach. First and foremost is to testify 'Jesus as your lord and saviour'. Makes you think, that as far as preaching and explaining about the religion is concerned, Christians are more muslim than we Muslims are...(Boy, let's see what you guys have to say about this ) ). Disclaimer I'm not trying to create trouble here, just making a constructive argument. ;D
Well since you're Malaysian you might already know that there is a group called the 'Liberal Islam Network' active in Indonesia. I was once attracted to their thoughts but later drifted away because they only pay lip service to the Qur'an, and they seem to be sucking up to their Western sponsors too much. That and the fact that their discussion group is filled with Christians.....Those liberals adopt an 'anything goes' stance over Qur'anic interpretations, trying to fit interpretations to their 'modern' and very Western views.
Yes, I have in fact heard of the movement. Don't know much about them, really. Just curious, who are these 'western sponsors'? And what's wrong with having Christians, they believe in the same God don't they? God never wanted us to make enemies of each other (unless other people or 'unbelievers' threaten our Faith - if they offer peace, then we have no right to come down on them).
In traditional system of Islam, a boy gets these ideas long after the huge list of problems and solutions regarding formalities of rituals. And by that time the boys mind gets obsessed by those and the prime spiritual and social values get only a secondary position.
Yep, refer to my first quote reply.
Peace be upon you alamak,
First of all, I don't call myself "quranist", "quran alone Muslim", "Shia Muslim", "Sunni Muslim". Simply "Muslim", period (I know only God knows I am truly muslim or not but this is what I declare). If I mention a kind of "label", then it is merely to make referencing easier.
Peace be with you all,
I'm new around here. Did a search in this forum and couldn't find a clear answer to this How is Liberal Islam different from the Quran-alone approach? According to wikipedia, most liberals still hold on to the five pillars of Islam and six elements of faith, while free-minds.org describe them as 'myth'.
As far as my observation is concerned, liberal is sometimes linked with westernized Muslims.
Are there any liberals in this forum? Do you identify yourself as a Quran-alone Muslim or do you still believe in some hadith?
I believe in hadiths, neither as source of laws nor source of guidances. In other words, I believe in hadith as it should be corrupted historical texts.
And what about Quran-alone Muslims, do you identify yourselves as liberals? Are the two terms interchangable at all? I realize that neither are formal distinct movements, but I would love to hear your thoughts on this...
Sometimes the terms are interchangeable but in general people perceive them differently.
First direct answer I had all week! sun
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Liberal islam,'secular islam,or islam re-interpreted to mean serving 'god' by doing good deeds to all human beings/ upholding the human rights of all,is the only way i see islam as being a 'reasonable religion,otherwise its just mainly rituals,sectarianism,superstitions,culturalisms,and the abuse of human rights.... muscle handshake
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In the beginning of my quest for the truth, I was also wondering whether quran alone is really enough for me. And then I came to the verses below
1745 When you read the Quran, we place between you and those who do not believe in the Hereafter an invisible barrier.
1746 We place shields around their minds, to prevent them from understanding it, and deafness in their ears. And when you preach your Lord, using the Quran alone, they run away in aversion.I believe the verses are one of the criterion whether we truly believe in the Hereafter or only claim to do so. The criteria is simple Those who don't believe in the Hereafter really hate it very much when Islam is represented in quran alone. Interestingly, even after knowing the verses, "some" choose deliberately and knowingly to be among those who don't believe in the Hereafter according to the criterion of quran.
Others translated the verse as below
T.B.Irving
"When you mention your Lord Alone in the Quran they even turn their backs in disgust!"Pickthall
"And We place upon their hearts veils lest they should understand it, and in their ears a deafness; and when thou makest mention of thy Lord alone in the Qur'an, they turn their backs in aversion."And many others like Yusuf Ali etc. did the same.
If a philosopher like Spinoza, Kant, Rousseau or anybody makes, on the basis of his wisdom, an appeal to me to serve God alone and I avert from his appeal, the same thing - that I actually am not ready to perceive and consider my life as a totality that extends toward eternity, that there is a hidden barrier - is also applicable for me.
Your way of concluding seems to me to be similar to Sunni or Shia scholasticism.
I believe in your core idea that the Koran should be the fundamental source of our guidance having the topmost priority.
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As salamu alaykum wr wb.
Respectfully.I gotta say that we shouldn't be dividing now that we know the ultimate truth.
I am a muslim who follows Quran and i don't need any sunna and hadith.
Are there five pillars, six or 11, it doesn't matter, what does matters is this just follow the Quran and you'll succeed, inshaAllah.May The God Almighty bless us all.
As salamu alaykum wr wb. -
Others translated the verse as below
T.B.Irving
"When you mention your Lord Alone in the Quran they even turn their backs in disgust!"Pickthall
"And We place upon their hearts veils lest they should understand it, and in their ears a deafness; and when thou makest mention of thy Lord alone in the Qur'an, they turn their backs in aversion."And many others like Yusuf Ali etc. did the same.
If a philosopher like Spinoza, Kant, Rousseau or anybody makes, on the basis of his wisdom, an appeal to me to serve God alone and I avert from his appeal, the same thing - that I actually am not ready to perceive and consider my life as a totality that extends toward eternity, that there is a hidden barrier - is also applicable for me.
Actually "God Alone"/"Allah Alone" has been mentioned in quran. Below is the verse
3945 And when God Alone (Allahu wahdahu) is mentioned, the hearts of those who do not believe in the Hereafter are filled with aversion; and when others are mentioned beside Him, they rejoice!
So I prefer the translation "Quran Alone" for 1746 and I am of the opinion it is the correct one (despite my read-only arabic).
1746 We place shields around their minds, to prevent them from understanding it, and deafness in their ears. And when you preach your Lord, using the Quran alone (Alqurani wahdahu), they run away in aversion.
Your way of concluding seems to me to be similar to Sunni or Shia scholasticism.
I don't understand what you are talking about here since I don't know about sunni or shia scholasticism. Just read quran, ponder its verses, relate the verses to daily live, ask Allah for guidance ...that is how I got my understanding.
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aslm handshake
little birdyare u a quran alone muslim?
meno,im a god alone muslim!(which follows only quran as law manual)
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a muslim(submitter to god only) cant be liberal(pro-homo,pro-fornication,pro-alcohol,ect ect ect) it doesnt match.... muscle
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Peace Alamak,
Really? I've been browsing this forum for quite a while now and I was under the impression that most people here are not that comfortable calling themselves 'just Muslims', since this would also suggest that they are related to the majority backwards society who follow the authority of the hadith, fatwas, 'self-appointed' religious leaders, etc?
God calls us
Muslimsthrough our great father Abraham...It would be unwise to forsake such a name and take in its place any other. Also, the sects that you speak of cannot bring themselves to be calledMuslimsand they will always add the name of their sectSunni / Shia / Dirzi, etc. Qural alone is another sect name which has its origins not with theMuslimsbut with those from the sects who oppose our way and hence try to use a lebel that we can fit under.Once you accept any label other than
Muslim, then your apponant will no longer have to deal with your arguments or take them seriously (oh, he/she is a Qurani! or a Quran alone person).Whoa are you serious? My impression on liberalism isn't 'liberal' as in 'free' as you are suggesting (might as well don't follow any religion ), but rather 'liberated' from arab culture, and islamic culture which don't have quranic basis, and 'liberty' to interpret the Quran on a more personal point of view. But I believe most liberals agree with you on the stance on homosexuality, though.
I am just recalling what I have read and heard from people like Irshad Menje and others who use this term (liberal islam). They do not take the Scripture as a book of law and simply view religion as a
culturethat they have inherited (i.e. Muslim American) which has its rituals but nothing else. Therefore, the laws of zina, homosexuality, riba, divorce, war, etc. are all treated as null & void.
