Hi am new around here, if hadith are fake then Qu'ran can be fake too...
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Peace Cheema
I agree with Shirley and Wakas. You need to read the quran without the proverbial "blinders" on anymore before you can make a judgment call on real Islam...
And by the way, Islam as stated by the quran, was never considered a "religion". Deen = a way of life. It focuses on the individual with respect to others, self, environment in order to better all three. That's very different from organized religion that focuses on conformity, slogans, dress codes, mannerisms to prove to others you are part of the cult and not really do much in the way of actions.
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Peace
I think you should read the quran and find out where it differs with these teachings to which you hold abhorrance and also to see if any of the teachings can actually be promoted by the quran. God claims his word is consistent look for the inconsistencies and then you have to see why it is inconsistent. It may be a problem with the way you understand some ayatin in relation to others. There may really be inconsistencies therein after all. I think it is important that you keep in mind that because there is no compulsion for you to uphold anything the quran teaches you shouldn't waver if you feel, after finding the evidence, that the quran is not for you.
Joe
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Peace,
Here is how I would view the situation in general.
God gives His decree/system to man, then Satan does his best to mutate this decree/system while still making the people think they are doing good or following God.
Therefore, since God has been sending His messengers since the begining of our race, and since his message is always the same, then it is not strange to see Satan`s handiwork duplicated over time and place.
The zorastans you mentioned most probably started off following one of God
s messengers (possibly Abraham) and then had the decree/system twisted by Satan where they ended up worshipping the fire (a miracle of Abraham was him being thrown in the fire and surviving) which is not far from the Christians worshipping the cross as a sign of Jesuss suffering and resurection...Then presto, no more Gods system but Satans. -
Peace,
Dear Cheema, the things you refered too as for example buraq are indeed taken from the Persians. The concept that Jinn are spirits is folkore. Jinn is not a title of a species but a description for anything hidden from the general public, it was used for kings, tribes and even nomads. Read my article http//19.org/index.php?id=91,417,0,0,1,0
The Quran is not refering to a religion, but a Deen. A perfect system of life. After the Prophet the Persians, Jews Christians, Pagans and kings have totaly distorted the message of the Quran by making up Hadith, and changing the meanings of words. The Quran is not a miracle-religious book, but it is meant to be the constitution for mankind. All systems made up by humans will fail, be it capitalism or communism or democracy how it is played now. All will fall inot misery, or as the Quran puts it, into Hell on earth.
We can only create the perfect society through the Quran. The biggest mistake was that people approached the Quran as they approached the Thora or Gospel. As a regigious book that is only foccussing on the Hereafter. But the Quran talks for 90% about this life. The Quran proves itself to be true by all the science and logic in it. You must not confuse it with Hadith. 1400 years has distorted much of the message and only through hard study can it be regained again.
Please read some books from Parwez and Shabbir who can give a good start
http//www.ourbeacon.com/7101.html
http//www.tolueislam.com/Parwez/BA_Parwez.htm
Give it time and study and you will see the difference of the Quran and all other man-made books and systems.
Peace
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You all tell me to read the Qu'ran but it doesn't make any sense. You very soldemoly know what the story is about the historical background. Its all jumbled up. Also most of the chapters don't even donate to the context of that its going to be in the chapter. Sometimes you can know which battle Allah is referring to and at what time the verse was revolved and what was the context. You need the hadith too do this or, a Tafisar or else you can inpretpert the Qu'ran in various different ways yourself. For example in one verse allah says appreach your women how you want, so thoes that mean we can have anal sex? as anal sex is banned by the hadith and not the Qu'ran. This is just one exmple.
How do you do the prayers? If you go just based on the Qu'ran you don't even need to pray you can probably drink if you can handle your drink, have sex with your wife what ever way you want. Beat her is you want, accuse her of adulatory even without 4 reliable witness ect. Man can divorce the woman, but the woman can't divorce the man? In inheritance doesn't make any sense its totals there are mathematical errors. The Qu'ran repeatedly says obey Allah and his apostle, so how do you do that?
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Its extremely good you are questioning things....... sun bravo
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You can be all things to all people.....You can even be a secular atheist muslim.....Like me....
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You can be all things to all people.....You can even be a secular atheist muslim.....Like me....
Don't take the piss. I am not here for games I am searching for something. Please don't take the piss or try to insult my intelligence. I believe In Allah and I believe in Mohamed as the final prophet. I have some issues with some hadith.
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Is that how muhammed would have responded to a genuine comment???? There are people who are atheist and/or secular and still call themselves muslims due to their cultural background.......Maybe you need to learn some islamic manners hey....????
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Is that how muhammed would have responded to a genuine comment???? There are people who are atheist and/or secular and still call themselves muslims due to their cultural background.......Maybe you need to learn some islamic manners hey....????
Well they should not call them selfs Muslims. Only those who submit to a god can call themselves a Muslim. A atheist doesn't believe in a god. And I also don't like secularism.
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Also can you actually reject all the hadith and still be a Muslim? as you're not following the Sunnah?
Peace
we are following the sunnah by following the Quran. There is an article about it here
http//www.free-minds.org/naveed.htm#Chap-4
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If a person want to call themselves a muslim,then who are you to say he /she cant?????? I can change my name by deed poll to 'muslim' and you cant do aught about it......
Anyway,radical sunnis say shiah arent muslims, some quran onlys say sunnis arent muslims,etc,etc,so im not really concerned what different groups regard as muslim or not......My background is muslim and no-one can change that...... elektro muscle muscle muscle handshake And anyway, i would rather be known as a humanist human being anyway......
ps; a lot of negative baggage with the title/word muslim nowadays... -
Salaams all,
Only those who submit to a god can call themselves a Muslim
How do you do this???
Nearly all here say the quran- the book isn't what it was and neither is the bible and neither anything else?!
And one guy i have heard mostly says submitting is simply Having faith in God and doing good is submitting - Mostly True.
So based on this submitting isn't tuff at all and okay and an easy thing to accomplish.
That has solved it for me ! I reckon.
Salaams.
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there is no such thing as an athiest muslim
if you don't like islam then walk away and don't have this fixation on changing it to fit your needs ... unless you really don't want to leave ...
what's a muslim culture anyways???
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Look mister,i can call myself what i want,i dont need to change the system known as islam because i dont believe in it,but my background is of muslim parentage,which you cannot change.....
ps; you folks either need to change/reform islam anyway because you cant even explain simple concepts like salat,and the terrorists/fundamentalists have hijacked a lot of islam anyway..... -
do you know what the arabic term "muslim" means in english? because this is just sounding really ignorant at this point
i'm tired of hearing about how less than 1% of the muslim population somehow "hijacked" islam. stop using these corporate news media mantras to march the world into believing there is justification for wars and "reforms".
osama bin laden is not my leader. in fact he most likely knows that he's a dog that will rot in hell. what does that say about the other 1.2 billion muslims? certainly not that their deen is "hijacked" that's such a pile of crap
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How many of those 1.3 billion muslims want or follow the sharia???? How many are in the closet and dont believe in their deen.....Remember there are also billions of christians who dont really follow christianity.....
Tell me worldwide,apart from muslims,who genuinely respects islam nowadays???? or are all non-muslims not worthy of an opinion on islam???
And apart from mr ladin,there are many many extremists to further decay the image of islam....
ps; you dont need reform,then whats this site debating about hadith,sunnah,prayer,alcohol and other such topics for?????
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Salaams enq,
Quran says
"As for those who divide their religion and break upinto sects, thou hast no part in them in the least their affair is with God He will in the end tell them the truth of all that they did." (Quran 6/159)What are sects?
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YUSUFALI We did send messengers before thee amongst the religious sects of old
PICKTHAL We verily sent (messengers) before thee among the factions of the men of old.
SHAKIR And certainly We sent (messengers) before you among the nations of yore.
Religions are sects.So should we be having idolistic names like muslim, cristo'e jews e.t.c?
Salaams.
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Salaam simple,i dont quite understand your post,could you elaborate please?
