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Hi am new around here, if hadith are fake then Qu'ran can be fake too...

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    unknownuser
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    Can god make himself not all-powerful?

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      Al-Quraishi
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      Well, to answer that question we'd have to contemplate the first bit 'Can God Make Himself', God's self?

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        prashant_kumar
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        Dear Cheema, Assalamualykum.

        I am not sure what exactly you are after. You attack the Koran and Islam like some impatient Christians or Jews of today. At the same time, on the other hand, you say that you are a believer in One God and the final prophethood of Muhammad. Forgive me, if anything of my sayings hurts you.

        Most of the guys here do not adhere to Hadith. They try to follow the Quran alone. What is the problem with that? After all, they worship God alone and, as per my instinct, they are reasonably good in character and behavior. They have their own way of prayers and mediation for union with God. They do ruku, sizdah as mentioned in the Koran.

        Some one may like them more than the stubborn and irrational Shias and Sunnis.

        If you are a Sunni, you may try to understand their prime concern. It may help you revive true spirit of Islam within the fold of Sunni Islam.

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          Cheema
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          Look mister,i can call myself what i want,i dont need to change the system known as islam because i dont believe in it,but my background is of muslim parentage,which you cannot change.....
          ps; you folks either need to change/reform islam anyway because you cant even explain simple concepts like salat,and the terrorists/fundamentalists have hijacked a lot of islam anyway.....

          Hay you can't call yourself a Muslim, you have no right. Why should you call yourself a Muslim if you class yourself atheist? No way. Who the hell are you more who thinks he can do this?

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            unknownuser
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            Well i will continue to call myself what i want,and there is nothing you can do about it mister,so learn to come to terms with it.....First sign of extremism is intolerance,another is dogmatism,a third is trying to control/dictate what other people think and do........Check yourself before you wreck yourself..........

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              phoenix1
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              peace Cheema,

              Of course the Quran is fake! there is no doubt about that.
              So why do I follow it's teachings?
              Because even though it is fake, I can verify for myself the things it mentions. And I have found them to be true!

              My point is, it doesn't matter what the quran is or where it comes from or who wrote it or why is it here or is it fake or not but what it says is true or not. We have to take it like every other piece of information and examine it.
              If the quran says my shirt is red, then I look down at my shirt and I see that it is in fact red. So I conclude that the quran is right. If on the other hand my shirt was blue, the quran would've been wrong.
              The hadith keep telling me there's a black cat sitting on my head, but I look into mirrors everyday and I've never seen it.

              So even if the hadith are real and the quran is fake, we follow the one which is true.

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                unknownuser
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                ell me worldwide,apart from muslims,who genuinely respects islam nowadays?

                who cares what other people think about something they are ignorant of to begin with?

                i certainly couldn't care less. in the words of a wise President.. "you can please some people some of the time, but you can't please all people all of the time"

                I only fear my Creator and the rest could kiss my sweet 100% unadulterated Muslim booty.

                Of course the Quran is fake! there is no doubt about that.
                So why do I follow it's teachings?
                Because even though it is fake, I can verify for myself the things it mentions. And I have found them to be true!

                What the huh...
                It's a fake ! but it's true! but there is no God!

                Not naming any names BUUUUTTT... and i'm being reeal general here, cuz I really like enq and phoenix as people (to the capacity that i "know" them) there needs to be a lil less weed and a lil more logic hypno

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                  phoenix1
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                  What the huh...
                  It's a fake ! but it's true! but there is no God!

                  Not naming any names BUUUUTTT... and i'm being reeal general here, cuz I really like enq and phoenix as people (to the capacity that i "know" them) there needs to be a lil less weed and a lil more logic

                  I knew people would have a problem understanding what I was saying. It was a mix of sarcasm, humor, analogy, horse shit...you know, all the good stuff. No weed though.
                  What I meant to say was...
                  What is a "fake" book? how do you define "fake?" the Quran is a "fake" what?
                  Whatever the Quran is, even if it is a "fake" something, it doesn't matter, since truth is found through verification, not guessing what is fake and what is real. Get my drift, BOOST?

                  When did I say there was no God??
                  I don't deny God, I just think some of the ideas people have about God are ridiculous (no offence).

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                    siki
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                    cheema wrote,

                    . For example in one verse allah says appreach your women how you want, so thoes that mean we can have anal sex? as anal sex is banned by the hadith and not the Qu'ran. This is just one exmple.

                    dear cheema .
                    i guess there is no short cut to study , you have to put in an effort yourself , and let me give you a guarantee that you will find answers to every thing , it is just that you have to use your grey matter, you seem like a sincere truth seeker, and let me assure , you will i repeat you will be guided , just keep working ,,, any way this is an answer from quran for your above mentioned query, it should serve as an example how quran works and surely you will find answers to your all questions ,,, peace sikandar

                    2-223 Your women are the bearers of your seed. Thus, you may enjoy this privilege however you like, so long as you maintain righteousness. You shall observe GOD, and know that you will meet Him. Give good news to the believers

                    if you deposit your seed at a wrong place , are you likely to get "FASAL"? HE IS PRECISLY TELLING YOU THE RIGHTEOUS WAY OF DOING THE THING.

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                      Cheema
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                      Well i will continue to call myself what i want,and there is nothing you can do about it mister,so learn to come to terms with it.....First sign of extremism is intolerance,another is dogmatism,a third is trying to control/dictate what other people think and do........Check yourself before you wreck yourself..........

                      But you're going out of your way to mock my beliefs. Why who gives you this authority?

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                        Cheema
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                        cheema wrote,

                        . For example in one verse allah says appreach your women how you want, so thoes that mean we can have anal sex? as anal sex is banned by the hadith and not the Qu'ran. This is just one exmple.

                        dear cheema .
                        i guess there is no short cut to study , you have to put in an effort yourself , and let me give you a guarantee that you will find answers to every thing , it is just that you have to use your grey matter, you seem like a sincere truth seeker, and let me assure , you will i repeat you will be guided , just keep working ,,, any way this is an answer from quran for your above mentioned query, it should serve as an example how quran works and surely you will find answers to your all questions ,,, peace sikandar

                        2-223 Your women are the bearers of your seed. Thus, you may enjoy this privilege however you like, so long as you maintain righteousness. You shall observe GOD, and know that you will meet Him. Give good news to the believers

                        if you deposit your seed at a wrong place , are you likely to get "FASAL"? HE IS PRECISLY TELLING YOU THE RIGHTEOUS WAY OF DOING THE THING.

                        Sex is not only for making babies. Its also pleasure and a emotional need for women. Some women like anal-sex it gives them a more satisfying orgasm.

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                          siki
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                          i am not debating about you or somebody else finding more pleasure in anal sex. what i am saying is that your claim that God encourages anal sex in quran , is WRONG,
                          infact he is pointing out in quran what is the right way,,,,,

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                            xthug
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                            Sex is not only for making babies. Its also pleasure and a emotional need for women. Some women like anal-sex it gives them a more satisfying orgasm.

                            hmm lets see here vaginal anal conjuction rip, over %90 higher chance of std's not to mention a retraplinoc substance excretes from the anas where as a claro-amonious from the vagina.

                            but hey it FEELS GOOD.

                            all praise be to GOD, Free from any filth, the perfect and the irisistable.

                            peace.

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                              This thread has veered off course, and therefore is being locked.http//i28.photobucket.com/albums/c236/zenje/topicclosed.gif

                              Feel free to start another thread in the appropriate section.

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