Re: Chemistry in the Quran: Elements & Temperature
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as for nobody being able to identify the words, i'm workin on it.
Some assistance, AaRon
to the 'thaalimeen' a fire...
aHaaTa 3rd person singular form IV from root HaWaTa (Ha, waw, Ta), when used with preposition 'bi', meaning it surrounded, closed in, beseiged
bihim preposition 'bi' with pronoun 'him' - themsuraadiquha noun derived from 4-letter root sardaqa (seen,re,dal,qaf) with feminine singular pronoun ending (relating back to 'a fire', and in the nominative case indicating subject of the sentence, a canopy/pavillion.
Thus so far its(the fire's) canopy surrounding/beseiging them
wa and
in if
yastagheethoo 3rd person plural form X (asking for) from root ghaatha (ghein, ye, the) - they asked to be rained upon
yughathoo form IV (causation) - they caused to be rained
bimaa'i preposition 'bi' and 'maa'a' ending changed to match preposition - water or fluid
kalmuhli prefix 'ka' like, al - added as joining following noun to previous noun, along with genetive 'i' ending, to 'muhl' - choose from mineral, ore, molten copper, pitch, pus, poison, oily matter'
yashwi 3rd person sing it roasted/grilled/broiled/fried
alwujooh plural noun from waw, jeem, heh, the faces
or putting it together
...its canopy beseiging them and if they asked to be rained upon they cause to be rained a fluid like molten copper roasting their faces...
or something like that!
Usual caveat about errors applies
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YUSUFALI Say, "The truth is from your Lord" Let him who will believe, and let him who will, reject (it) for the wrong-doers We have prepared a Fire whose (smoke and flames), like the walls and roof of a tent, will hem them in if they implore relief they will be granted water like melted brass, that will scald their faces, how dreadful the drink! How uncomfortable a couch to recline on!
PICKTHAL Say (It is) the truth from the Lord of you (all). Then whosoever will, let him believe, and whosoever will, let him disbelieve. Lo! We have prepared for disbelievers Fire. Its tent encloseth them. If they ask for showers, they will be showered with water like to molten lead which burneth the faces. Calamitous the drink and ill the resting-place!
SHAKIR And say The truth is from your Lord, so let him who please believe, and let him who please disbelieve; surely We have prepared for the iniquitous a fire, the curtains of which shall encompass them about; and if they cry for water, they shall be given water like molten brass which will scald their faces; evil the drink and ill the resting-place.According to Mohammad the said water would be like molten brass in what manner? heat? heat that would scald faces. If that is the case then this would be another fine example of the scientific errors in the quran for the lowest temperature by which brass melts is 900 degrees celcius. When at 374 Celcius the water molecules disintigrates into its component parts.
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A miracle? If so then the Allah would be an inefficient God. why waste energy transmuting water into a molten brass like matter instead of just serving molten brass?
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A figure of speech? Well mohammed used a poor choice of words...water like molten brass? its so wrong.
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Or just simply an error out of ignorance?
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A miracle? If so then the Allah would be an inefficient God. why waste energy transmuting water into a molten brass like matter instead of just serving molten brass?
How do you come to such conclusions when you read these translations? It says 'Water like Molten Brass' not "Water Transmuted into a Molten Brass Like Matter". It is not Molten Brass, it's water, how do we even know if elements work in the same way in another plane of the Universe? It may not even be water, it may be a liquid, or the closest thing to a liquid in Human terms or in the scope of the human understanding of the universe. One thing's for sure, it isn't Molten Brass.
- A figure of speech? Well mohammed used a poor choice of words...water like molten brass? its so wrong.
How is it so wrong exactly? When I read it, it conveyed the understanding very poignantly and I suspect this is the reason for such a use of words.
Let's have a look at what else we could say to describe it
"Water like Boiling Water!!!" "Water like Something Very Hot!!!" "Water like something that has a boiling point greater than 900 degrees!!!"
Yes, very poignant indeed, it certainly doesn't convey things as well as God does in the Qur'an, and if such alternate explanations were used then people would attack the Qur'an because of weak descriptive abilities, which we can certainly see isn't the case. The Qur'an is not a Science book (even though contains many Scientific miracles) it's there to guide me and you to a better way.
Peace
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