How do you do the salat
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Peace all,
Sis Marie could you please be kind and translate that into english?
Thank you and
Peace
FJPeace everybody,
Comme je manque de temps, je vous ?cris en fran?ais, et jesp?re que le traducteur vous aidera ? comprendre mon post.
Pour moi et de mani?re g?n?rale, la ? salat ? et la ? zakat ? sont intimement li?s, de la ? salat ? r?sulte la ? zakat ? et la zakat se fait ? laide de la ? salat ?.
Depuis quelques mois, je fr?quente un nouveau forum qui na rien ? avoir avec ? les religions ?. Ses membres mont ouvert les yeux sur diff?rentes choses. Ce sont des gens qui, ind?pendamment de leurs convictions et sans rentrer dans le d?tail, mettent en pratiques la salat et la zakat dans leur vie quotidienne. Ils cherchent ? vivre en harmonie avec leur environnement et participent au d?veloppement de ceux qui ont en ont besoin.
Mettre en pratique ces deux concepts de vie consiste ? mener une vie consciente dans tout ce quon fait du r?veil jusquau coucher.
Je Commence ? faire le m?nage dans ma vie, cest beau et ?mouvant de mener une vie consciente dans chaque geste du quotidien. Ce nest que le d?but dun long chemin et reste beaucoup ? faire et ce jusqu? la derni?re minute de mon souffle.Voici quelques aspects de la salat et de la zakat jessaie de r?duire au maximum ma d?pendance au p?trole, produire peu de d?chets en utilisant un maximum de choses lavables, utiliser des produits naturels et non polluants, faire un maximum de chose moi-m?me notamment la fabrication du pain, savon artisanal muti-usage (bain, lessive, vaisselle), produits cosm?tiques, et produits dentretien m?nager.etc le tout ? base de produits naturels et non polluantetc), encourager tout ce qui est produit localement, participer au commerce ?quitable, lutter contre la faimetc
Bonne continuation et surtout bon m?nage !
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Peace all,
i try a fast translation of marie's post as i think it is an important one and at the same time would like to ask her to give us the link to this forum. Please Marie, object if there's something you don't like about the translation - but i think it should be better that babel fish...
Marie's post
In my eyes and in general, salat and zakat are closely related "salat" being a result of "zakat", and one does "zakat" with the help of "salat".
Since a few month i'm on a new forum which has nothing to do with "religions". Its memebers have opened my eyes on different things. They are people, that independently from their convictions and without entering details, pratice salat and zakat in their daily life. They try to live in harmony with their environment and participate in the development of those in need.To put into practice these two concepts, one has to live a conscious life from getting up in the morning until going to bed at night every day.
I started the cleaning (apply these concepts in my life) - it feels good to be conscious of each and every gesture. This is only the beginning of a long road, much is left to be done until the end of my life.Some aspects of salat and zakat i try as much as possible not to depend on fuel, to generate the less waste that i can through the use of washable things, use natural, non pollutant products, do as much as i can myself like baking nread, producing soaps for different usages (body and house cleaning), producing cosmetics and other products for house-keeping, all with natural non-pollutant products, encourage local production, participate in equitable trade, fight against hunger aso...
I would like to add that i have this view for quite some time now - that salat is not prayer as such, but an ongoing process of working on our "total" behaviour. Marie told us some practical aspects and i believe that a very important one is how we treat other people in our every day life.
lk
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Peace sister LK,
Thank you very much for your good translation and comments. Indeed, when I have said "to live a conscious life", that concerns all aspects of our daily life; to honor our obligations toward the people and the planet.
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You can find the link of the forum in the smiley above. This is a french forum -
Peace Elke, marie and all
Just to correct the translation for marie's post, to avoid the confusion; there's a problem in the first sentence
marie Pour moi et de mani?re g?n?rale, la ? salat ? et la ? zakat ? sont intimement li?s, de la ? salat ? r?sulte la ? zakat ? et la zakat se fait ? l?aide de la ? salat ?.
Elke In my eyes and in general, salat and zakat are closely related "salat" being a result of "zakat", and one does "zakat" with the help of "salat".
Me In my eyes and in general, salat and zakat are closely related "zakat" being a result of "salat", and one does "zakat" with the help of "salat".
And for the link, look at here ?? ???
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someone is absolutely right, i inversed salat and zakat in the translation
who's absolutely right?
But one question to Marie and Elke. If salat is an ongoing process (which I kind of agree with), why are specific times given? I am sure that there are 2 times mentioned. Why? what is so special about these times if salat is an every minute, every second thing.
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Peace Phoenix,
On the contrary. During spiritual practices one leaves the SELF behind! and so the gains and achievements of the SELF! One stops achieving and learns to loose! There is no search for improvement! There is no search involved at all. MIND gets out of the way and Ego looses its main tool to operate. HEART feels of its own accord the LOVE, peace and harmony! stop intellectual work and start the EXPERIMENT!
peace,
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Peace be upon you Alpha,
During spiritual practices one leaves the SELF behind!
The "SELF" is the one consciousness within us all, from which all things manifest, how can we possibly leave the "SELF" behind? The SELF is the only thing that beholds and perceptions. In spiritual practices we can leave all matter and energy behind, meaning our personalities, thoughts, feelings, and sensations, but what we return to is pure consciousness, which is who we are. So we reach a state where consciousness beholds itself, you become concious of being consciousness itself.
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hmm...interesting. But does "experimenting" actually help us?
I mean, we can go to that place for a while, and then once it's over, we'll be back where we started, right? why not try to make that change permanent?Peace phoenix,
It is a state - it is not a place!
You do the experiment to live the experience!
Two things can be given to you in that state!
Higher awareness!
Higher awareness as a sense of being! when people hace car-crash experience, they get a deep sense of being alive! the illusion breaks! one comes out of routine! being used to things. That is awareness! It ignites within! you can not measure it , but you sense it profoundly.Or after a good night sleep waking up with song of the birds on sunrise gives a deep sense of BEING! that sense will be given back as gift when you come back!
We will talk about this more! later!
peace,
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Peace be upon you Alpha,
The "SELF" is the one consciousness within us all, from which all things manifest, how can we possibly leave the "SELF" behind? The SELF is the only thing that beholds and perceptions. In spiritual practices we can leave all matter and energy behind, meaning our personalities, thoughts, feelings, and sensations, but what we return to is pure consciousness, which is who we are. So we reach a state where consciousness beholds itself, you become concious of being consciousness itself.
Peace idolfree,
It is a difficult task to look at ego. The real SELF and ego have become a hybrid wthin! It is us
When you let go of SELF, the ego disappears and real SELF remains on its own accord and per definition. We do not need to keep it!During meditation you should not hold on the SELF,IT remains by itself.
So the angle is this LET GO OF ALL!
Our sensories let go of any object of observation. We will hold to nothings! No identification tag will be carried!
Let me compare this with a running car.
Wheels slow down. they come to a stop. the transmission disengages. the speed of motor will be reduced . and the motor will run on its finest combustion level. It carries no load! It runs but it approaches the zero-load region. In case of living-meditation that state of perfect combustion will be brought back when the car restarts and drives further.
peace,
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Peace be upon you,
I got confused by the car analogy because I am notgood with cars, but the following statement yuo gave sums up what I meant, so I think we agree.
During meditation you should not hold on the SELF,IT remains by itself. So the angle is this LET GO OF ALL!
Yes, I agree with that, UNLESS I am meditating to change somthing in particular...buts thats something else.
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Peace phoenix,
It is a state - it is not a place!
You do the experiment to live the experience!
Two things can be given to you in that state!
Higher awareness!
Higher awareness as a sense of being! when people hace car-crash experience, they get a deep sense of being alive! the illusion breaks! one comes out of routine! being used to things. That is awareness! It ignites within! you can not measure it , but you sense it profoundly.Or after a good night sleep waking up with song of the birds on sunrise gives a deep sense of BEING! that sense will be given back as gift when you come back!
We will talk about this more! later!
peace alpha,
OK! thankyou!And I got confused with your car analogy too. I don't know what perfect combustion is.
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Peace phoenix,
The car analogy wanted to show the progression of disengagement! Let me throw some loose thoughts to creat an image! to creat a basic understanding! of spiritual practices.Prayer (Dua) is the male and mdeitation is female. The first is assertion of focus! It comes from unmanifest out to manifest! and the second one is going from manifest inward to the unmanifest.
When you learn both of them and can combine them, you get a composite that is praying in a meditative state!
This learning can only be achieved through purification! once that level is reached, one can do things beyond imagination!
LET ALL THIS BE ONLY A BACKGROUND for now!
let,s first start with meditation. and the simplest form is silent meditation!
It goes from manifest to unmanifest!
Thoughts, feelings, sensations are bubbles on the surface of ocean (objects of awareness), they are generated deep down in the ocean. As you go to deeper level, the bubbles reduce in volume! near the bottom they become less dense! and seem to disappear.
Old traditions beleieved in 5 levels between manifestation and the unmanifest. Quran points to seven levels.
The highest level is where the WIL of GOD and as WIL of GOD transpires it goes though all these plains, till reaching the lowest manifest state!
Meditation goes level by level backward. from coarse to fine and finer and finer.
Breathing is an action that is controlled by consciouseness and subconciouseness at the same time!
BREATHING IS THE INTERFACE! that is why it is used to invok meditation.There is also a lot to be talked on breathing. but for the time being i have talked enough!
peace
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Peace be upon you,
I got confused by the car analogy because I am notgood with cars, but the following statement yuo gave sums up what I meant, so I think we agree.
Yes, I agree with that, UNLESS I am meditating to change somthing in particular...buts thats something else.
Peace be with you Idolfree1
I was wondering how do you do the meditation to change smth in particular. Could you please share some details with me/us?
Peace
FJ