Oracles
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Peace be upon you Johhny K,
This is what I have so far for your incarnation objective. You got hexagram 41 (decrease) with lines 2,3,4,5 and 6 stressed. That changed into hexagram 49 (revolution).
41 Sun - Decrease
- The Judgement
This hexagram provides instruction on the method to be employed to access the wisdom and spiritual powers stored in the Divine part of the spirit. The method consists fundamentally of decreasing the lower parts of the spirit-the animal (emotional) spirit and the human spirit (the lower mind) for the Divine (higher) part of the spirit. So long as a person is ruled by his emotions, passions, opinions and beliefs, he cannot access the wisdom (truth) and spiritual power that resides in the Divine part of the spirit.
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It is folly to be of service to another in the name of selflessness, if you throw yourself away in the process.Line 3 stressed -
Jealousy is a major expression of the lower part of the spirit that must be transcended in order to bring the higher part of the spirit into manifestation.Line 4 stressed -
This line represents the divine law which states that by transcending your faults within and without, you can attract, through the power of your divine spirit, the help and friends that you need.Line 5 stressed -
If it is in your destiny to be fortunate, the oracles will concur and the fortune must come. By extension, this line instructs you that you can find out everything about your destiny from the oracles, and whatever the oracle indicates about your destiny will come to pass. In the ancient Egyptian spiritual system, the oracle was called the Metu Neter-the Word of God.
What is most important here is the realization that through the superior oracles, God has made Itself available at all times to people. There is, therefore, never a need to give in to the lower parts of being-anger, fear, selfishness, opinions, etc. The Word of God is always available as a source of infallible guidance. Moreover, only the Word of God can move the Spirit of God. To live the Word of God with peace, joy, love and understanding-in the midst of adversity-enables you to share in the Spiritual power of God.Line 6 stressed -
This line represents the blessings that come to all from the selfless work of an individual. Through the power of the divine part of one?s spirit, he or she attracts helpers in the work because the work is for the benefit of all.49 Ko - Revolution (Molting)
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This hexagram provides instruction on how to deal with revolutionary and radical changes. They do not represent the normal way of nature, and must ,therefore, be handled with care and intelligence. Such changes must be the undertaken as the last resort and with expert guidance.
I would like to do a Metu Neter oracle for you but I have to find out first if you must be present, that will help clarify the this reading. Lastly, one reading , especially the incarnation objective which takes time usually to realize will not be enough to verify the accuracy of Oracles.
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Peace "idlofree",
I would like to do a Metu Neter oracle for you but I have to find out first if you must be present, that will help clarify the this reading. Lastly, one reading , especially the incarnation objective which takes time usually to realizin e will not be enough to verify the accuracy of Oracles.
JK- I couldnt really make much of the above. And what do you mean by finding out that i must be present? Present where? Also what i dont understand is if the readings from the coin flippings are to be accurate, why dont they give the same order again when the process is repeated with the same question asked? The very same day i once again asked "what is my incarnation objective" then threw the three coins 6 times and noted the results which were different. So how can this be accurate? GOD Bless!
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Peace be upon you,
I couldnt really make much of the above.
Yes, the above was derived from a program which I thought would be more in depth. I dont want to waste the time studying this further because incarnation objective is not easily verified. If there is something more immediate, like please comment on what this next month will be like, then we can verify it better. However, I am not convinced that you will really pay attention but will just wait out the month and say "it doesnt work".
And what do you mean by finding out that i must be present? Present where?
Present means be right here where I am.
Also what i dont understand is if the readings from the coin flippings are to be accurate, why dont they give the same order again when the process is repeated with the same question asked? The very same day i once again asked "what is my incarnation objective" then threw the three coins 6 times and noted the results which were different. So how can this be accurate? GOD Bless!
That would destroy the test. The second time you threw the oracle was commenting on your behavior. If you were "standing before God" would you ask "Him" the same question twice? Or would you take the answer and follow it?
Lastly, I am in no way forcing this on anyone and I realize how crazy it sounds, but I am certain of its results.
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Peace "idolfree",
Yes, the above was derived from a program which I thought would be more in depth. I dont want to waste the time studying this further because incarnation objective is not easily verified. If there is something more immediate, like please comment on what this next month will be like, then we can verify it better. However, I am not convinced that you will really pay attention but will just wait out the month and say "it doesnt work".
JK- Ok then lets do that.
Present means be right here where I am.
JK- Ok so you mean on the forum?
That would destroy the test. The second time you threw the oracle was commenting on your behavior. If you were "standing before God" would you ask "Him" the same question twice? Or would you take the answer and follow it?
JK- When someone/thing appears before me say in a dream or otherwise and says that he is GOD, i first have to verify whether it is really Him. Now in order to do that i order to apply certain reasonable tests. First of all i would recite "I seek refuge with GOD from satan the accursed". Next i would ask for an accurate event which would happen in the near future eg an earthquake which place and how much on the rictar scale. Suppose im told tht earthquake would occur in SF at 8.30 am with a magnitude of 5.323423. Next id ask the question. After that i would wait till the event occurs and if it matches the exact parameters only then would i have high probability that the answer was really Divine. Now in this oracle thing we also need to apply certain tests before we or i can see whether it works or not. Thats why i reflipped the coins on the same question. Anyways ill do it with the other question you mentioned above again. GOD Bless!
Lastly, I am in no way forcing this on anyone and I realize how crazy it sounds, but I am certain of its results.
JK- Im ready to believe it's true if it is rationally verfied. GOD Bless!
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Peace be upon you,
Yes, but it takes several experiments with it to see the correctness of it. Also , it requires a lot of time on my part to post the information needed for a proper response, which I did not do on the previous questions asked on this thread.
But lets go for it...give me an idea of what you want to find out about. We just started a new lunar month, maybe we can ask what to expect from this lunar cycle...unless there is something else you want to know about.
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peace be upon you
let's stick with that. This is my question
how is the next month or so going to be for me? and what should I do? (can it tell me that?)Or you talked about reading for a past event. What if we do that?
and I don't want to put you through trouble. I know you've been trying to finish your salat article.
So if we're going to do this, then take your time. So only give this time when you have absolutely nothing else to do. -
Peace be upon you,
We can start on this tommorrow.
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Peace be upon you Pheonix1,
I will need one more day, sorry, ....actually, here are the directions. Take a shower/bath, dress in clean clothes (just for respect of the process)..take 3 coins (pennies)...cup them inside both hands together. Ask the question "Please comment on this moon cycle"
Shake the coins and then open your hands to let them fall freely.
record what you get...2 heads and 1 tail, three heads, etc. You will do this 6 times. Make sure to keep them in order and from 1st to last throw and respond with the results.
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Peace be upon you Pheonix1
I'm ready when you are.
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Peace be upon you,
There is no rush om my part, whenever you are ready.
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Peace be upon you,
I caught this before going to bed...
Your reading is the 63rd hexagram (after completion)..top line stressed..changing into the 37th hexagram (The Family).
I will try to interpret according to texts I have tommorrow.
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Peace be upon you Pheonix1,
The theme of the 63rd hexagram is that "Where one has set things in order, there is a tendency for people to relax thier efforts, and then disorder sets back in". One accomplishes something in the general sense, but because one does not master the details, then disorder once more sets in. The title of the 63rd hexagram is "After Completion", which means that something is learned or accomplished but not mastered. Everything is well according to generalities, but the DETAILS are not in place, and will cause the situation to revert back to disorder. Its telling you not to relax your attention, efforts, and vigilance because things appear well and let things take thier own course, stay focused on the details.
You had the top line stressed,which means the following;
There is a fascination to dwell in one's imagination, in ones thoughts on something that has been resolved and put in order. Of course, what you dwell on in your imagination becomes nourished, gathers force and can bring you back in again. This line speaks about making sure that when you accomplish something externally you must also accomplishit mentally. If you are going to overcome an evil externally, if you are stil dwelling in it, enjoying it, indulging in it mentally, you have not yet overcome it, and that is the seed, that is an omen that things will revert once more to disorder. That top lineis one of the lines that carries the strongest danger of falling back into that state of disorder.
It moves into teh 37th hexagram called"The Family". What must predominate wityhin individuals dealing with family life is clarity or perception within and gentleness without. Clarity is not just being able to see clearly but to be correctly informed, proper culturalization. Meaning that the references from which you function, yuor belief system, your cultural system must be correct. Thats what must be moving you from within, directing you from within. Your ideas about what a husband is, what a wife is, what a parent is, a child, all of those things must be based on right knowledge, cosmology, cosmogony.
Whenever a situation must be brought about or changed through words, through suggestion, through persuasion, it takes time to take hold. And it takes time to change. But people walk into a family situation with a sword expecting immediate change, expecting to establish and change things through violence. That is very importnat for you to understand.
pheonix 1, there is a lot more material but I dont have time to copy it all..I hope this will be enough for you to confirm how your month has gone, or is going. We just passed the middle of this month on Sunday, which was the full moon.
I am also going to throw teh Metu Neter oracle on your behalf...I'll respond shortly
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peace
Interesting. Half the month is gone, but to be honest with you, I havn't accomplished much. And things aren't really going that well (or as well as I want them to be going). Let's see what happens in the second half. But I have to think about all that's been going on and what might happen.
What I get from it is this I shouldn't relax my efforts and keep at it so that things don't fall back into chaos. -
Peace be upon you,
I am not sure what you should get from it as I am not anywhere near authorized to interpret for another person. However, dont forget about the second hexagram as well regarding family. And dont always look to physical accomplishments, it could be your spiritual progress, or something like that.
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"Thus the superior man acquaints himself with many sayings of antiquity
And many deeds of the past,
In order to strengthen his character thereby. ""Heaven within the mountain points to hidden treasures. In the words and deeds of the past there lies hidden a treasure that men may use to strengthen and elevate their own characters. The way to study the past is not to confine oneself to mere knowledge of history but, through application of this knowledge, to give actuality to the past. "
I dont know too much on this subject, but I do agree with this. In the words and deeds of the past there lies hidden a treasure that men may use to strengthen and elevate their own characters. I believe this is what we should do every day. Instead of arguing over these things. If we believe them we should apply them to our lives because in these words of truth does lie hidden treasures that we are to apply to our lives in order to become better people and better servents of GOD. And I also believe that the more of these we apply the more GOD will allow us to see and understand, and when we truely understand all his wirds we will be able to grow tword him and have a personnel relationship with him as was ment from the begining of time. application of this knowledge. If we were not to apply this knowledge to our lives then why would we have this knowledge.
Sincerely, Abuja