Evolution
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I have been studying this for the last 2 weeks and have finished with this, whilst researching evolution.... Let me know what you think......
1526 We created the human being from aged mud, like the potter's clay.>>>>>> Advanced micro-organisms develop from warm moist terrain.
2445 And GOD created every living creature from water. Some of them walk on their bellies, some walk on two legs, and some walk on four. GOD creates whatever He wills. GOD is Omnipotent.>>>> From water, our life would need water to develop
325 All matters are controlled by Him from the heaven to the earth. To Him, the day is equivalent to one thousand of your years.
326 Knower of all secrets and declarations; the Almighty, Most Merciful.
327 He is the One who perfected everything He created, and started the creation of the human from clay.
328 Then He continued his reproduction through a certain lowly liquid.
329 He shaped him and blew into him from His spirit. And He gave you the hearing, the eyesight, and the brains; rarely are you thankful.>>>>>God had started the creation from clay, and then through a certain lowly liquid which is how a possible evolution started.7114 He is the One who created you in stages.>>Evolution happens in stages
7117 And GOD germinated you from the earth like plants.>>>The word germinated and like plants in my mind gives me the sense that we formed in different shapes, like the plant that will take different shapes untill it reaches its proper physical form in full. Much like the evolution theory from microorganisms, we would have taken several forms whilst growing to become full grown humans. Neandathals do exist and there is skeletal evidence to prove it. And God doesn't close the door on saying that we weren't created like this. He simply gives us a simple answer as to how we are created.
Even in 7117 "'And God has produced you from the earth growing (gradually), from the yusuf ali translation it is the same translation. Growing gradually like a microbe would into any species.
The above verse is mentioned in ''Noah'' specifially as it relates to the annihilation of those that do not believe, (which is the opposite of creation). Whereas 2312-13-14 relates to pregnancy and clearly not be confused with the above verses about the human origin and creation. (I only mentioned 2312-13-14 as someone said that the above verses and 2312-13-14 are the same, in which they are not.
What are your thoughts guys?
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Peace,
Respectfully.I believe that the verses in The Quran are telling us not only about the creation of a human being but sets a perfect proof how a human was created so that later generations can be convinced, God willing.
?Verily We created man from a drop of a mingled fluid-drop (nutfa amshaj), in order to try him so We gave him (the gifts), of hearing and sight.? (762).
?He It is Who created all things in the best way and began the creation of man from clay, and made his progeny from an extract of despised fluid (Sulalah) ? (32 7-
?So, let man consider of what he was created . He was created of gushing water ? (86 5-6)
?He has created man from a sperm (fluid-drop) and behold this same (man) becomes an open disputer.? (16 4).
Does man think that he will be left uncontrolled (without purpose)? Was he not once a fluid-drop of ejected semen? (7536-37)?Woe to man! What has made him reject (Allah)? From what stuff has He created him? From a nutfa (fluid-drop) He has created him, and then moulds him in due proportions.? (80 17-19).
?Verily We created man of a fluid-drop (nutfa), mingling (amshaj) , in order to try him so We gave him (the gifts of) hearing and sight.? (762).
?That He created the pairs, male and female, from a fluid-drop sperm as it is emitted.? (53 45-46),
?And remember when your Lord brought forth from the children of Adam, from their loins, their seeds?? (7 172).
?The which (embryo) We placed in a place of settlement, firmly fixed for a period (of gestation), determined. For We do determine, for We are the best to determine (things). (77 21-23).
?then of that fluid-drop (nutfa) We created a leech-like clot" (2314) .
?then We changed the Alaqa (leech-like clot) into a Mudgha (chewed-like lump) ? (23 14).?Was he not a drop of sperm emitted (in lowly form)? Then did he become a leech-like clot; then did (Allah) make and fashion (him) in due proportion. And of him He made two sexes, male and female.?(75 37-39),
? (We) Created man, out of a leech-like clot.? (96 2).
?And of that clot We made a (foetus) lump.? (23 14).
?O mankind! If ye have a doubt about the Recreation (consider) that We created you out of dust, then out of sperm, then out of a leech-like clot, then out of a chewed-like lump of flesh, formed and unformed, in order that We may manifest (Our power) to you; and We cause whom We will to rest in the wombs for an appointed term.? (22 5)
?then We made out of that mudgha (chewed-like lump of flesh) bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then We developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create.? (23 14)
?And clothed the bones with flesh; then We developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create.? (23 14)
?And clothed the bones with flesh; then We developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create ? (23 14)
?He it is Who shapes you in the wombs as He pleases. There is no god but He, the Exalted in Might, the Wise.? (36)
?He creates you in the wombs of your mothers in stages, one after another, in three veils of darkness.? (396),
?The bearing of him (the child) and the weaning of him is thirty months ? (46 15),
?And in two years was his weaning.? (31 14).
And HE gave You (the faculties of) hearing and sight and feeling (And understanding) - 329
Verily We created man from a drop of a mingled fluid-drop (nutfa amshaj), in order to try him so We gave him (the gifts), of hearing and sight - 762
It is HE WHO has created For you (the faculties of) Hearing, sight, feeling And understanding little thanks It is ye give! - 2378
?And We cause whom We will to rest in the wombs for an appointed term ? (225).
?The which (foetus) We placed in a place of rest, firmly fixed, for a period (of gestation), determined. For We do determine, for We are the best to determine (things). (77 21-23)
?And the birth pains surprised her by the trunk of the palm tree she said; ?Ah! Would I had died before this! And become a thing forgotten.? But (a voice) cried to her from beneath ?Grieve not! Your Lord has set below you a rivulet. Shake to you the palm-trunk , and there shall come falling upon you dates fresh and ripe. So eat , and drink, and be comforted ?? (19 23-26).
?Then He makes his path smooth for him.? (80 20).?What is the matter with you, that ye are not conscious of Allah?s majesty,- Seeing that it is He that has created you in diverse stages" (71 13-14)
?And say ?Praise be to Allah, Who will soon show you His signs, so that ye shall know them? " (27 93) ,
?Soon will We show them our signs in the furthest horizons, and in their own souls, until it becomes manifest to them that this is the Truth? (41 53).I believe that The Exalted God The Most Powerful, The Most Wise, is telling us here the most detailed info regarding human creation. If this proof doesn't convince all the people, .... i don't know what will.
Since prophet Muhammad can't see or know all this info, then it MUST be from The Exalted God AllPowerful, The Most Wise.
Glor ybe to our God.
God bless you all.
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Peace,
Particularly note the verses where GOD says that He shaped us in the WOMB. Nowhwre does the Quran say we were created in the beginning as two adults. Also refer to my recent posts regarding ERVs which prove that we NO DOUBT SHARE a COMMON ANCESTOR with CHIMPS. GOD Bless! -
Peace,
Particularly note the verses where GOD says that He shaped us in the WOMB. Nowhwre does the Quran say we were created in the beginning as two adults. Also refer to my recent posts regarding ERVs which prove that we NO DOUBT SHARE a COMMON ANCESTOR with CHIMPS. GOD Bless!Salaam jonny_k,
Because I spent many years as a christain before I accepted Islam I know the bible refers to the creation of adam and eve. Isn't it possible that adam and eve were created as such? Isn't the Quran suppose to be the final book, not the only book? Isn't it possible that some of the bible is still correct? Does the Quran say that ALL humans were shaped in the womb? Thanks in advance for your reply. I'm always trying to learn more.
peace
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Peace "dotty",
Salaam jonny_k,
Because I spent many years as a christain before I accepted Islam I know the bible refers to the creation of adam and eve. Isn't it possible that adam and eve were created as such? Isn't the Quran suppose to be the final book, not the only book? Isn't it possible that some of the bible is still correct? Does the Quran say that ALL humans were shaped in the womb? Thanks in advance for your reply. I'm always trying to learn more.
peace
dottyJK- Some of the Bible may indeed be correct BUT NOT THIS PART. The Quran says we were created in the WOMB as ive shown. Here read these verses
O people, if you have any doubt about resurrection, (remember that) we created you from dust/minerals, and subsequently from a tiny drop, which turns into a hanging (embryo), then it becomes a fetus that is given life or deemed lifeless. We thus clarify things for you. We settle in the wombs whatever we will for a predetermined period.* We then bring you out as infants, then you reach maturity. While some of you die young, others live to the worst age, only to find out that no more knowledge can be attained beyond a certain limit. Also, you look at a land that is dead, then as soon as we shower it with water, it vibrates with life and grows all kinds of beautiful plants.
He is the One who created you in stages.
And GOD germinated you from the earth like plants.Now wheres the mentioning of direct creation as adults anywhere?
So if the Bible says we were created as adults(Note Catholics also accepted evolution and claim tht Genesis in the Bible is allegorical) then it contradicts THE QURAN. So now the choice is yours. GOD Bless!
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Now wheres the mentioning of direct creation as adults anywhere?
I'm not supporting the idea or disclaiming it (I'm still learning), but it also doesn't says humans were never created as an adult. explains how we were created, but it doesn't mean the same as no humans ever... does it?
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Peace sister "dotty",
I'm not supporting the idea or disclaiming it (I'm still learning), but it also doesn't says humans were never created as an adult. explains how we were created, but it doesn't mean the same as no humans ever... does it?
thanks,
dottyJK- Look at this verse
O people, if you have any doubt about resurrection, (remember that) we CREATED YOU from dust, and subsequently from a tiny drop, which turns into a hanging (embryo), then it becomes a fetus that is given life or deemed lifeless. We thus clarify things for you. We settle in the wombs whatever we will for a predetermined period.* We then bring you out as infants, then you reach maturity. While some of you die young, others live to the worst age, only to find out that no more knowledge can be attained beyond a certain limit. Also, you look at a land that is dead, then as soon as we shower it with water, it vibrates with life and grows all kinds of beautiful plants.So you mean that this verse COULD refer to only specific people and not all humans? If so where are the verses from the Quran which show that? Also how come Ibn-e-Khaldoon, a famous Islamic scholar who lived 500 yrs before Darwin, deduce evolution from the Quran? He wrote in his book al-muqaddimah(pg 74-75)
"This world with all the created things in it has a certain order and solid construction. It shows nexuses between causes and things caused, combinations of some parts of creation with others, and transformations of some existent things into others, in a pattern that is both remarkable and endless.""One should then take a look at the world of creation. It started out from the minerals and progressed, in an ingenious, gradual manner, to plants and animals. The last stage of minerals is connected with the first stage of plants, such as herbs and seedless plants. The last stage of plants, such as palms and vines, is connected with the first stage of animals, such as snails and shellfish which have only the power of touch. The word 'connection' with regard to these created things means that the last stage of each group is fully prepared to become the first stage of the newest group."
"The animal world then widens, its species become numerous, and, in a gradual process of creation, it finally leads to man, who is able to think and reflect. The higher stage of man is reached from the world of monkeys, in which both sagacity and preception are found, but which has not reached the stage of actual reflection and thinking. At this point we come to the first stage of man. This is as far as our (physical) observation extends."
ALSO read my discussion with brother "Zidane"
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=13244.msg172403#msg172403
and watch those youtube video he watched to see the clear evidence in nature
http//youtube.com/watch?v=8FGYzZOZxMw&feature=related
So either GOD deceived us by making it appear that living things including us evolved all sharing a common ancester or that is really how He did it and it is wonderful. GOD Bless! -
JK- Look at this verse
O people, if you have any doubt about resurrection, (remember that) we CREATED YOU from dust, and subsequently from a tiny drop, which turns into a hanging (embryo), then it becomes a fetus that is given life or deemed lifeless. We thus clarify things for you. We settle in the wombs whatever we will for a predetermined period.* We then bring you out as infants, then you reach maturity. While some of you die young, others live to the worst age, only to find out that no more knowledge can be attained beyond a certain limit. Also, you look at a land that is dead, then as soon as we shower it with water, it vibrates with life and grows all kinds of beautiful plants.So you mean that this verse COULD refer to only specific people and not all humans?
Yes I do believe this verse can be referring to only specific people... Those people who can benefit from the Quran AFTER it was revealed. It doesn't make sense that God would be speaking to people who died before the Quran was revealed.
dotty
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Peace "dotty"
Yes I do believe this verse can be referring to only specific people... Those people who can benefit from the Quran AFTER it was revealed. It doesn't make sense that God would be speaking to people who died before the Quran was revealed.
dotty
JK- But GOD does do that in other verses too which clearly apply to ALL PEOPLE
We created you, then we shaped you, then we said to the malaaikah, "Fall prostrate before/serve before Adam." They fell prostrate, except Iblees (Satan); he was not with the prostrators.
So does this mean the current people GOD was speaking to came BEFORE GOD asked the malaaikah to serve adam since the verse mentions them first? Do you see the problem with your understanding now? When GOD talks about us being created a certain way He means from the beginning. Even from the previous verse you could see that "dust/minerals(teen)" was mentioned i.e. "we created you from dust/minerals". Is this the case right now or was that the case back then when the Quran was revealed OR WAS IT LONG BEFORE? GOD Bless! -
Do you see the problem with your understanding now?
I'm sorry dear brother, but I don't see the problem with my understanding. Thank you for trying to help me see it, but I also don't want you to bang your head against the wall trying to prove your point. It's ok. I will ponder what showed me and study it more. I understand what I understand today and God will provide me with more understanding when the time is right.
Thanks again,
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Peace "dotty",
Heres one of the most significant evidence for evolution
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FGYzZOZxMwNOW to your point. You said in the the verse(s) stating "we created YOU" it can only be referring to the people present AFTER the revelation of the Quran. I showed you that this CANNOT BE SO ACCORDING TO ANOTHER VERSE 711 which states(ill leave it with conventional trans this time)
We created you, then we shaped you, then we said to the angels, "Fall prostrate before Adam." They fell prostrate, except Iblees; he was not with the prostrators.
Now if the first part "we created you" referred only to the people AFTER the rev of the Quran this would mean that the event of GOD addressing the angels wouldve come after that BUT even you would agree that that incident happened long before the rev of the Quran, yes? That is why it is only logical to say that when GOD generally addresses mankind anywhere and speaks of their creation He means how it all began. ALSO you forget that the other verse mentions that GOD "created you from dust"O people, if you have any doubt about resurrection, (remember that) we created you from dust,...
NOW dear sister dotty, i bet even you will agree that the people after revelation of the Quran were no more being created from dust since BUT the known birth process already, correct? So once again you see GOD is reminding people of how they were created from the beginning. GOD Bless!
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You said in the the verse(s) stating "we created YOU" it can only be referring to the people present AFTER the revelation of the Quran.
Actually, what I really said was... "it CAN be referring to only specific people". Not quite the same thing.
NOW dear sister dotty, i bet even you will agree
Brother, please don't look down your nose and say... "EVEN you". Thank you for all your help on this thread!
God bless,
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Peace sis "dotty",
Did you go through the clip and see the vidence? If yes then that alone should leave you with only one understanding of the verse or do you say GOD lied to us IN NATURE by making it look like we evolved from apelike creatures whilst we actually didnt?Actually, what I really said was... "it CAN be referring to only specific people". Not quite the same thing.
JK- NO 225 CANNOT refer to humans after the rev of the Quran at all and i once again will prove this here
O people, if you have any doubt about resurrection, (remember that) we created you from dust, and...
See it doesnt start with embryo. It starts with dust/minerals. NOW do you say that people after rev of Quran were still being made from dust? Now do you see why your understanding of this verse is logically impossible? GOD Bless! -
Peace "dotty",
Again, I said CAN... meaning possibly. I told you yesterday I would study it more. Why are you cramming this down my throat?
peace,
dottyJK- I know, from the previous post i got that you meant CAN/possibly, BUT i refuted even that. Im not cramming anything down your throat BUT YOU HAVE NOT ANSWERED in regards to this yet
O people, if you have any doubt about resurrection, (remember that) we created you from dust, and...
SEE it doesnt start with embryo. It starts with dust/minerals. NOW do you say that people present at or after the time of the revelation of Quran COULD still be made from dust? If not then do you not see why your understanding of this verse is logically impossible? GOD Bless! -
Peace again "dotty",
To make my point even more clear in 225 although GOD is addressing the people after the verses' revelation, Hes talking in the verse ABOUT THE ORIGIN OF THEIR SPECIES i.e HOW MANKIND, IN GENERAL, BEGAN. This is what is proven from the first phrase "created you from dust/minerals". GOD Bless! -
JK- I know, from the previous post i got that you meant CAN/possibly, BUT i refuted even that. Im not cramming anything down your throat BUT YOU HAVE NOT ANSWERED in regards to this yet
O people, if you have any doubt about resurrection, (remember that) we created you from dust, and...
SEE it doesnt start with embryo. It starts with dust/minerals. NOW do you say that people present at or after the time of the revelation of Quran COULD still be made from dust? If not then do you not see why your understanding of this verse is logically impossible? GOD Bless!I did answer your question. I told you twice that I would study it more. To study one has to review and verify completely. Is that not good enough for you? Do you need a quick answer? Do you need me to say immediately that you are right? I was asking questions and you gave me answers... and I have also given you an answer. Because you are not satified with my saying, "I will study it more" 3/2 posts ago... that gives me the impression that you are cramming it down my throat.
No hard feelings ),
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Peace "dotty",
Maybe i missed it but I didnt find you answer the following qs of mine- Do you say that people present at or after the time of the revelation of Quran WERE POSSIBLY still being made from dust/minerals?
- If not then do you not see why your aforementioned possibility, anmely that 225 speaks of the creation process of humans at or after rev of tht Quranic verse, is logically impossible?
GOD Bless!
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Peace "dotty",
Maybe i missed it but I didnt find you answer the following qs of mine- Do you say that people present at or after the time of the revelation of Quran WERE POSSIBLY still being made from dust/minerals?
- If not then do you not see why your aforementioned possibility, anmely that 225 speaks of the creation process of humans at or after rev of tht Quranic verse, is logically impossible?
GOD Bless!
Salaam jonny_k,
Yes you completely missed my answers... I will study it more IS MY ANSWER and has been in my last 4 posts here. What part don't you get? This is getting ridiculous. Am I not allowed to say "I will study it more"? You are trying to force answers from me that I cannot do UNTIL I STUDY IT MORE.
Can't we just leave it at that? Are you so eager to show my lack of understanding on this topic?
peace
dotty