This Sad Day or Tears for a Super Bully
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Peace and greetings,
Chapter 6
42.And We have sent others to nations before you. We then took them with adversity and hardship, perhaps they would implore.
43.If only they had implored when Our punishment came to them; but their hearts hardened, and the devil adorned for them what they used to do.
44.So when they forgot what they had been reminded of, We opened for them the gates of all opportunities; and when they were happy with what they were given, We took them suddenly! They were confounded.Chapter 7
"34.And for every nation will be an allotted time; when their time is reached, they will not delay by one hour nor advance. "
All those spreading mischief on the earth might soon get siezed with a punishment from the God. The world's oil supplies are drying up according to credible sources and this could bring the downfall of the 21st century civilization.
Here is a section of the article describing the coming soon destruction of our present day civilization.
The US economy is particularly vulnerable to the coming oil shocks as we consume a greater proportion of the world's oil than any other nation. The unparalleled prosperity experienced in this country during the last 100 years was built entirely on cheap oil. Until the late 19th century, the US economy was primarily agrian in nature. Oil was discovered in 1859 but did not become a truly important industrial fuel until Henry Ford began mass producing automobiles in the early 1900s. The mass production of automobiles became a cornerstone of the US economy while allowing people to move out of the cities and into the suburbs.
The expansion of the suburbs fueled the real estate and housing booms of the 20th century, which in turn fueled the US steel, copper, construction, etc. industries. A system of finance sprung up that facilitated these booms while simultaneously becoming dependent on them.These trends are still driving the US economy here in the 21st. Consider for instance, the following factoids about the U.S.
According to the American Automobile Manufacturers 1. Association, one out of every seven jobs in the US is
- dependent on automobile manufacturing.
According to an August 2005 report by Merrill Lynch,
half of the new jobs created in the US since 2001 are
- dependent on housing construction.
Most of the automobile and home purchases in this country are made with interest-bearing loans which, absent a hyperinflationary monetary policy, can only be paid back en masse if the economy grows. Amazingly, the US economy, at least in its current incarnation, can only grow if people can afford to drive more. As researcher Stuart Staniford has shown in a series of graphs originally published on The Oil Drum, a strong causal (if not virtually direct) relationship exists between miles driven and economic growth
In short, the US has built it's entire infrastructure and way of life under the assumption oil would always be cheap and plentiful. Moreover, it has made next to no rational prepartions for the day when oil is either too scarce or too expensive to be consumed at such prodigious rates. We are thus, as a society, wholly unprepared for what awaits us.
As far as what the specific economic effects will be, consider the conclusions a group of top officials came to when they gathered in Washington D.C. to conduct "Oil Shockwave", a simulation exercise aimed at examining how the US economy would be effected by a small (3.5 mbd) disruption in the global oil supply. Professor Michael Klare, author of Resource Wars The New Landscape for Global Conflict summarizes their conclusions as follows
A 3.5 mbd reduction in supply would cause
1.Global oil prices exceeding $150 per barrel.
2.Gasoline prices of $5.00 or more per gallon.
3.A spike in the consumer price index of more than 12%.
4.decline of over 25% in the Standard & Poor?s 500
stock index.5.A crisis with China over Taiwan.
- Increased friction with Saudi Arabia over US policy
toward Israel.
Remeber, the simulation involved the removal of only 3.5 million barrels per day of oil from the global market. For a global economy that consumes 83 million barrels per day, this is a reduction in supply of only 4.2%. What's going to happen when the supply is reduced by that much or more every year?
Given that any large scale plan to mitigate these problems would need to have been initiated on a global scale at least 20 years ago, it is hard to envision the economy not collapsing as a result of these trends.
How Are People Likely to React to This?
As the US economy begins to disintegrate, civil unrest may become increasingly violent and widespread. Each faction of the American body-politic will likely rally around reactionary political demagogues/movements who promise to bring back the good days by eliminating whatever domestic or foreign group(s) they have decided to scapegoat. Liberals will blame "Bush, Big-Oil and the Hard Right Neocons" while conservatives will blame "Bin-Laden, Big-Government, and the Extreme Left Environmentalists." Mexican immigrants, conservative Christians, gays, and other groups may also be scapegoated.
The anticipation of massive unrest may be the real reason why the Department of Homeland Security recently contracted with a subsidiary of Halliburton to build massive new domestic detenetion camps.
In 1985, the authors of Beyond Oil The Threat to Fuel and Food in the Coming Decades, warned us of such possiblitiesA stagnant or shrinking economy will have a major effect on society?s expectations. With few exceptions, each generation in the United States has become materially better off than the preceding one. This pattern of increasing wealth has become an indelible part of the American Dream; a higher standard of living than our parents is practically a birthright. These expectations are the standard against which actual performance is judged. During times of failed expectations, a society is especially vulnerable to a person or philosophy promising to restore it to its former glory. The fall of the Weimar Germany is probably the best example.As commentator Robert Freeman pointed out in 2004, the end of oil may result in the end of America as we know it. "Are Governments Planning For This?" If their recent actions are any indicator, the answer is "absolutely."
The US government has been aware of Peak Oil since at least 1977 when the CIA prepared a report on it. As Professor Richard Heinberg has commented
The 1977 CIA document shows clear and detailed awareness of oil issues, including depletion, extraction technologies,pipelines, areas of likely new discovery, the quality of existing reserves, and the dynamics of the global oil market.
The CIA has obviously been studying oil very carefully for some time and must therefore understand the issue of global oil peak.In 1982, the State Department released its own report which stated
. . . world petroleum production will peak in the 1990-2010 interval at 80-105 million barrels per day, with ultimate resources estimated at 2,100 billion barrels.In short, the US government has been aware of and actively planning for this crisis for over 30 years. Three decades of careful, plotting analysis has yielded a comprehensive, sophisticated, and multi-faceted plan in which military force will be used to secure and control the globe's energy resources. This plan is simplistically, but not altogether inaccurately - known as "Go to War to Get Oil."
This strategy was publicly announced in April 2001, when a report commissioned by Dick Cheney was released. According to the report, entitled Strategic Energy Policy Challenges For The 21st Century, the US is facing the biggest energy crisis in history and that the crisis requires "a reassessment of the role of energy in American foreign policy."
That's a diplomatic way of saying we are going to be fighting oil wars for a very long time.
James Woolsey, the former Director of the CIA, practically admitted as much at a recent conference on renewable energy
I fear we're going to be at war for decades, not years . . .Ultimately we will win it, but one major component of that war is oil.Recent statements by Henry Kissinger echo those of Woolsey. In a June 2005 Financial Times article entitled, "Kissinger Warns of Energy Conflict," Kissinger was quoted as saying
The amount of energy is finite, up to now in relation to demand, and competition for access to energy can become the life and death for many societies.
Kissinger distinguished these energy conflicts from previous conflicts such as the Cold War
When nuclear weapons spread to 30 or 40 countries and each conducts a calculation, with less experience and different value systems, we will have a world of permanent imminent catastrophe.
The war in Iraq, which has been 23 years in the making, is just the beginning of a worldwide war that "will not end in our lifetime." The reason our leaders are telling us the "war on terror will last 50 years" and that the U.S. engagement in the Middle East is now a "generational commitment" is two-fold-
All the countries accused of harboring terrorists - Iraq,Iran, Syria, West Africa, Saudi Arabia - also happen harbor large oil reserves.
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Within 40-50 years, even these countries will see their
oil reserves almost entirely depleted. At that point, the
"war on terror" will come to an end.
While the Middle East countries find themselves targets in the "war on terror", China, Russia, and Latin America find themselves targets in the recently declared and much more expansive "war on tyranny." Whereas the "war on terror" is really a war for control of the world's oil reserves, this newly declared "war on tyranny" is really a war for control of the world's oil distribution and transportation chokepoints.
This type of large-scale, long-term warfare may require a massive expansion of the military draft. It's probably not a coincidence that the director of the Selective Service recently gave a presentation to Congress in which he recommended the military draft be extended to both genders, ages 18-35.
The strategy - as distasteful as it may be - is characterized by a Machiavellian logic. Given the thermodynamic deficiencies of the alternatives to oil, the complexity of a large scale switch to these new sources of energy, and the wrenching economic and social effects of a declining energy supply, you can see why our leaders view force as the only viable way to deal with the coming crisis.
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Salam.
Submitters surely do have ill-feelings towards the traditional Muslims. Their page about Christianity contains this message at the bottom
Attention to our readers This collection of articles is not meant to insult those who chose to believe in one doctrine or another but rather to present educational materials. We may not agree with each other but we do respect your choice and expect the same from you. In some of these articles we have received comments about verses of the Bible taken out of context and used in the wrong place. We urge everyone reading any material on this site or any site to verify that material by themselves (Quran 1736). As for the books referred to here, we are not promoting any of them. We are only using some of the material because of the interest raised. We have full respect to those who believe different than us. The Quran mandates that "There shall be no compulsion in religion" per verse 2256
No such message for the traditional Muslims on the Hadiths and Sunna page.
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Salam.
What about the sad day when the Serbs (orthodox christians) attacked Slovenia in 1991?
What about when Serbs attacked Croatia in 1991?
What about when Croats attacked Bosnia and Hercegovina in 1992?
What about when Serbs and Croats attacked Bosnia and Hercegovina in 1992?
What about when Serbs raped and killed 500.000 Bosniacs (Muslims) in Bosnia?
What about all the mosques that Serbs destroyed?
What about all the miens that Serbs planted into Bosnian ground?
What about all the Bosniacs who are now living all over the world?
What about all the mass graves loaded of Muslims in Bosnia, especially in the city Srebrenica?
What about all the concetration camps all over Bosnia?What about people in Chad?
What about people in Somalia?
What about people in Ethiopia?
What about people in Nigeria?
Why can't Africa be as rich and healthy as Germany or USA?Peace.
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Peace Edip
Thank you for your topic. It just goes to show how racist and judgemental people can be regardless of faith or race. You even get it on the news where its MAIN headlines if a British/American is killed/hostaged abroad but if a foreign person is in the same situation its ignored completely like its of no value.
The same goes for charities too where the so called "muslims" will only give charitys to so called "muslim" organisations - what happened to giving money regardless of race, religion or creed.
PEACE
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You even get it on the news where its MAIN headlines if a British/American is killed/hostaged abroad but if a foreign person is in the same situation its ignored completely like its of no value.
Exactly. Yesterday they announced, full of sorrow, that the number of Americans killed in the Iraq war has surpassed the number of people killed on 9/11. Totally neglecting to mention the number of Iraqis killed in the SAME wars. ) -
peace edip
nice to hear that u are free.not in any cult.following quran alone does not make u a cult.some might want to? God knows best who they are.
and what u said is true. but havent we asked ourselves...why? why they they put that?....because the attack came "supposedly" from islam,and to appear like non sympathizers they had to put that article condemning the attacks.not because they REALLY like to condemn injustice,again,like u say,what about the OTHER crimes against humanity?where are those articles?now
thats the talk,nows the walk.
what are we going to do?...words wont set us free....
ok,picture all the chaos going on lately,and the fear and confusion as a tree...the trunk,the body,the start point,its 911.if we chop the trunk the branches and the leaves fall and this tree will die,and the ones that planted this tree will be held accountable.
it is well prooven that 911 was an inside job,come on,if u reject this u are either mentally ill or a totally hypocrite.(want to find out because u dont know yet pm me)
want to ignore this responsability we are going nowhere,the real terrorists have a plan to exterminate us all.so u all decide what u want to do about this.
we MUST expose the 911 lies now!(burn dvd movies of 911 truth documentaries for friends family and strangers,fliers,posters,banners,talk to radio shows,graffiti it,internet,myspace,email chains,websites,everywhere u are expose it)
until when we are going to let them abuse the human race?!
we must act to see a change,and we must act quickly.may peace be with you all,take care
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Hi,
I have read a lot of various posts before signing in. Being my very first post, I hope this will not come as sudden jolt. Free-minds are the most confused Muslims that I have ever come across, worse than the sunnies and shias. I think the super bullies of the world are all the religions (believers in God) of the world and especially the Muslims in general. Having known a few Muslims myself and was told that the Muslims in general from all walks of denominations, are the worst of human kinds having embedded with delusion epilespsy that only a brain surgeon or a neurologist can fixate. Perhaps this is due to the a "written book" that came magically down from heavens via "Santa Claus riding in his flying reindeers". Is this true or what? Are the Muslims really that bad that they cannot even understand their own "holy" book?
Check this out, it may help elevate and cure your brains or perhaps further degenerate and devalue your thoughts
http//www.atheistnation.net/video.php?p=73http//video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7740252507106777396&q=sam+harris
Exellento bravoNo hard feelings, I hope. Take it easy guys, its not the end of the world yet!!!
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Peace "marhaba",
For your information what wer trying to do is exactly that, reasoning and applying rational thought backed with evidence and proof. We still have to reach consensus on many issues but that will always be so. People differ at some point or another. We dont agree with the term rligion, we dont agree with it either. Spend some time and read the articles/posts here. GOD Bless!. -
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Hi,
I have read a lot of various posts before signing in. Being my very first post, I hope this will not come as sudden jolt. Free-minds are the most confused Muslims that I have ever come across, worse than the sunnies and shias. I think the super bullies of the world are all the religions (believers in God) of the world and especially the Muslims in general. Having known a few Muslims myself and was told that the Muslims in general from all walks of denominations, are the worst of human kinds having embedded with delusion epilespsy that only a brain surgeon or a neurologist can fixate. Perhaps this is due to the a "written book" that came magically down from heavens via "Santa Claus riding in his flying reindeers". Is this true or what? Are the Muslims really that bad that they cannot even understand their own "holy" book?
Check this out, it may help elevate and cure your brains or perhaps further degenerate and devalue your thoughts
http//www.atheistnation.net/video.php?p=73http//video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7740252507106777396&q=sam+harris
Exellento bravoNo hard feelings, I hope. Take it easy guys, its not the end of the world yet!!!
1 post! 1 post! where the heck this guy came from!
U SEE I PUT SOMETHING ABOUT 911 AND THE COWARDS JUMP IN AND DECEIVE PEOPLE INTO OTHER TOPICS!
SCUMBAG,PIECE OF TRASH, SATAN U DEVIL EVIL SCUM. 911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB AND THATS NO MUMBO JUMBO.
PEOPLE NEED TO REALIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS EVENT.
AND THIS GUY MARHABA BUSH LADEN COMES AND CHANGES THE TOPIC TALKING ABOUT WE ARE CRAZY.
U SIR,ARE A SICK HYPOCRITE COWARD.
THATS WHY THE WORLD BURNS,PEOPLE LIKE THIS TELLS U ITS ALL OK.ATHEIST.NWO SHEEP.
AND STILL GOT ONE POST! NICE TRY THOU, I SEE WHERE U COMING FROM ZIONIST RAT.peace to all the forum members
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Hi Jonny,
For your information what wer trying to do is exactly that, reasoning and applying rational thought backed with evidence and proof. We still have to reach consensus on many issues but that will always be so. People differ at some point or another.
Consensus will never be attained on religious grounds. What you and a few bunch here are doing is plainly foolishness. Evidence, proof, reasoning and rationality must be concurrent with time.
We dont agree with the term rligion, we dont agree with it either.
You seem to be rather "lonesome" or a "handfull" when it comes to "we".
Spend some time and read the articles/posts here.
You missed out on the very first sentence of my previous post.
And yes "sam harris" says tht the Old Testamant has even more vile laws than the taliban regime and it does since all tht crap Hadith muslims have now is taken from the OT stoning circumcision beard etc. Exactly proves my pt.
Somehow I knew you'd miss the point entirely. What Sam and Wafa are emphasizing on, has nothing to do with Hadiths but purely religious commotions, i.e. intellectual dishonesty. Here's some more sense to grasp
http//www.atheistnation.net/video.php?p=01
http//www.atheistnation.net/video.php?p=25
http//www.atheistnation.net/video.php?p=26 -
1 post! 1 post! where the heck this guy came from!
U SEE I PUT SOMETHING ABOUT 911 AND THE COWARDS JUMP IN AND DECEIVE PEOPLE INTO OTHER TOPICS!
SCUMBAG,PIECE OF TRASH, SATAN U DEVIL EVIL SCUM. 911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB AND THATS NO MUMBO JUMBO.
PEOPLE NEED TO REALIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS EVENT.
AND THIS GUY MARHABA BUSH LADEN COMES AND CHANGES THE TOPIC TALKING ABOUT WE ARE CRAZY.
U SIR,ARE A SICK HYPOCRITE COWARD.
THATS WHY THE WORLD BURNS,PEOPLE LIKE THIS TELLS U ITS ALL OK.ATHEIST.NWO SHEEP.
AND STILL GOT ONE POST! NICE TRY THOU, I SEE WHERE U COMING FROM ZIONIST RAT.peace to all the forum members
Ahhhh!!! The "voice" within speaks out afterall.
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Consensus will never be attained on religious grounds. What you and a few bunch here are doing is plainly foolishness. Evidence, proof, reasoning and rationality must be concurrent with time.
We do need evidence and proof and reasoning. of course.
But what do you mean by "must be concurrent with time." I don't get that part.
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it's sad that the followers of Rashad have degenerated so badly.
it shows them up quite badly that they do not speak up about atrocities in other parts of the world but are the first to jump up and mourn 9/11 and 7/7.
Do not get my wrong. I mourn the dead of 7/7 and 9/11, and I was travelling on the underground trains in London while 7/7 happened. I also think it's sad what happens in Africa, Middle East and many other places like Chechnya and Tibet.
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Just a reply to the first post I haven't read the entire thread, but I completely agree with the first post of this thread, they're being completely one sided and unjust.
What happened at Sep 11th was horrible but reactions to it are completely disproportionate to the millions of non-westerners who have been murdered.
The same things have occurred to me when browsing their websites, this blatant and small-minded pandering is despicable.
No wonder the 19'ers are viewed as western minded eurocentric munafiqeen and collaborators by other Muslims such as Sunnis and Shias.
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they are not so 19ers, but so called followers of Dr Rashad Khalifa.
and yes, they are pandering to western powers.
9/11 was horrible.
7/7 in london was horrible.
But, half a million children in Iraq died as a result of sanctions from the US, and 750,000 innocent civilians have died since the Iraqi occupation started.
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Peace All
yeah 911 was Terrible , No doubt about that > . But please spare a Thought for the Daily Massacre of Innocent Iraqis by the 150.000 American Jihadists in Iraq >D . Do any of the Mainstream Media Cry for these Iraqis ? I am not holding my Breath !
If any country that these American Jihadists/Suiciders should Invade, it should have been Saudi Arabia , after all the Majority of the 911 Terrorists were Saudis , So why Invade hapless Iraq ?
Stand Up for Justice !
Almarh0m
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Peace all,
I rarely watch the "bad news" (as I like to call the "news". The few times I have seen it since the war I cringe and then get really hacked-off when they announce how many Americans were killed that day. I'm sorry, but boo-hoo, why is the count of Americans all that matters? They're such idiots. I even turned off one of the few tv shows I sometimes catch tonight for a similar reason. That fix-up the family's house that has suffered some tragedy show thing. As soon as they started pooring out sympathy for the adult kid who was in Iraq and how hard it is for him seeing his own parents house accidently hit by an airplane, I turned it off. I don't hate our soldiers, most of them are just ignorant and misguided, but I certainly don't feel sorry for them. I mean if the soldiers remain here on our soil and defend us against attacks that's one thing, but to go to another country and wreck havoc, no. It makes no sense when we have so many problems in our own country to think that we have the ability to solve other country's problems. I guess that sometimes other countries want our help, but I just can't wrap my head around how in the year 2007, we still think shooting people will solve anything. If violence works, why don't we allow domestic violence? Guess it's time to prime my son to run for prez some day. I urge any and all of you who live in the states to send local representatives a message that we INSIST on peace. They do work for us after all.
Peace,
lf