I think I have figured out Salat times
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No, but it causes me to completely rethink what I thought "salat" was; the issue is no longer "when" I should do it but what it is I am supposed to be doing in the first place.
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This is all you have to do. These are your main accoutabilitys for salat ( standard performance ).Five steps...
Accountabilitys-
1.Preperation for prayer -
56 O you who believe, if you rise to hold the ( prayers ), then wash your faces and your hands up to the elbows, and wipe your heads and your feet to the ankles; and if you have had intercourse, then you shall bathe. And if you are ill, or traveling, or you have excreted feces, or you have had sexual contact with the women, and you cannot not find water, then you shall select from the clean soil; you shall wipe your faces and your hands with it. God does not want to place any hardship on you, but He wants to cleanse you and to complete His blessings upon you that you may be appreciative.
2.Focal point/ prayer direction or place -
2125 And you shall take from the situation of Abraham for prayer . ( Face the Temple )
- Affirmaton/ praise
17111 And say ?Praise be to God who has not taken a son, nor does He have a partner in sovereignty, nor does He have an ally out of weakness.?
- The Prayers
You shall pray to your Lord?. 108 2,,,
Example to say "My Lord, forgive and have mercy; and You are the most merciful.?
5.Completion-
(1) 6210 Then, once the prayer is complete, you shall disperse through the land and seek God's provisions, and remember God frequently that you may succeed.
This is all you have to do for salat. All you basically have to do is pray to God.
peace
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Peace rsw, everyone,
Using the search function, I found the following posts very helpful about the number of timed salat of the muslimeen
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=14793.msg151204#msg151204
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=11539.msg78194#msg78194
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Peace be upon you,
There is no middle salaat, only dawn and dusk, that which balances you.
Most of us are unbalanced
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salam Brother
Well I never knew it was discussed earlier..But 1 thing 4sure is that I just learnt the number for salaat time,from U Mashah Allah..
If am not mistaken the Shiahs as well perform 3 times salaat per day.and I guess that they are a step ahead of Us,Mashah Allah..Though its take time..we certainly are in the right direction..
Regards,
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So my understanding after digesting the above verses is this
FIRST Salat Sunset
MIDDLE Salat Night-time
LAST SALAT SunriseI thought it was like that as well (except that i though that the night prayer was obligatory), but then I was thinking again, and what popped in my mind is that the two prayers are called "salat al-FAJR" and "salat al-ISHA".
This already gives us the approximate timings (i.e. dawn and evening). Thus, the night prayer cant be the middle one. Besides, the "first salaat" that you mentioned goes from sunset till evening, thus it is more accurate to call it evening prayer, since it is AFTER sunset.
peace
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salam Brother
Well I never knew it was discussed earlier..But 1 thing 4sure is that I just learnt the number for salaat time,from U Mashah Allah..
If am not mistaken the Shiahs as well perform 3 times salaat per day.and I guess that they are a step ahead of Us,Mashah Allah..Though its take time..we certainly are in the right direction..
Regards,
SorayaSalaam Soraya
Shia believe in five time prayer. But sometimes they combine Zohr + Asr and Maghrab + Ishaa. It is not their common practice only when there is likelihood of missing the prayer as during job period.
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I can agree with that generally. The Quran speaks of praying late at night, but this is not obligatory It is sunnah technically, as we would be imitating the practice of the last prophet within the Quran. Otherwise I only pray sunrise and sunset prayers (including the times of night close to sunrise and sunset). This is fajr and 'ishaa and fall under all the explanations in the Quran of the times for prayer. That is how I see it. If you wanna pray more than that, good on you. May God enlighten you through those prayers.
Godbless,
Anwar -
I can agree with that generally. The Quran speaks of praying late at night, but this is not obligatory It is sunnah technically, as we would be imitating the practice of the last prophet within the Quran. Otherwise I only pray sunrise and sunset prayers (including the times of night close to sunrise and sunset). This is fajr and 'ishaa and fall under all the explanations in the Quran of the times for prayer. That is how I see it. If you wanna pray more than that, good on you. May God enlighten you through those prayers.
Godbless,
Anwarsalaam Progod
Ishaa is not at sunset.
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This is what the debates about Salaat times has concluded to.
The minimum is 2 times per day the most is 5 times per day with 3 times being the third opinion.
The times are fajr, morning, noon, afternoon, sunset, nightime.
Others, a minority believe Salaat is not physical but is mental or spiritual. Nobody has been able to convince the others that their interpretation is incorrect.
Any debate about this subject will lead to these conclusion.
Now, either all of these are acceptable or only one is the correct. If only one is correct than the Koran is not sufficient to answer this question and we have to get our answer from the hadith. We all know what that is. If all are equally correct than the Koran is sufficient.
Meanwhile the Bible SEEMS to hint at it being three, the middle ground between two and five.
I believe it depends on your length and method of prayer. Maybe its 5 short ones, or three mediocre ones or two long ones. How is that for wisdom? hail
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Check out lanes lexicon for the meaning of ishaa and also compare it to ashee. Ishaa means evening. Evening is originally sunset, even in english. As the sun evens into the horizon. In Arabic it can refer to sunset and twilight as well as the time from very late afternon until dawn. In this case the former is the obvious meaning. I am not saying Ishaa is at sunset. I am saying that Ishaa IS sunset, but more correctly evening.
Godbless,
Anwarsalaam Progod
Ishaa is not at sunset.
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Check out lanes lexicon for the meaning of ishaa and also compare it to ashee. Ishaa means evening. Evening is originally sunset, even in english. As the sun evens into the horizon. In Arabic it can refer to sunset and twilight as well as the time from very late afternon until dawn. In this case the former is the obvious meaning. I am not saying Ishaa is at sunset. I am saying that Ishaa IS sunset, but more correctly evening.
Godbless,
AnwarPeace progod
Sunset is point of time
Ishaa is period of time
You cannot say beoth are same .How "hadissul LUhgha" can be an authority. Please bring evidence from the Quran.
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Peace,
I don't know what you are talking about by hadissul lugha being an authority for language. Secondly I don't want to argue whether sunset is a point of time or a period of time. That seems pretty pointless to me. Even if you may think it is "crucial." In which case if you do and are ready to argue men down about this, l'll be glad to bow out of this conversation right now.
The sun takes some time to set anyway (not much, but it does take some time). I take ishaa to mean evening which inludes the times approximating sunset, which is early afternoon, sunset, the twilight that follows and the very early part of the night, when all of the sun's light has gone. If you check out Lane's Lexicon you will see that in Classical Arabic it can mean what i have just stated OR the time from late afternoon (approximating sunset) until dawn. I think this is the basis upon which many Muslims feel that they can pray Ishaa' all the way up until the time for fajr (which Islamically is just dawn's twilight). But that doesn't even matter. The meaning of ishaa' as the times that approximate sunset can be found in the dictionaries and more importantly concur with all of the other references in the Quran concerning where prayer being at the edge/end/extreme of daylight, including the parts of the night that approximate the edge/end/extreme of daylight. That's the way I see it. And in case you get stuck on as-salaatul-wustaa or as-salawaatul-wustaa. Wustaa can mean moderate or best. The first has a Quranic reference as to being modest/moderate when we pray (not being loud about our prayer or hiding our prayer). The second can just apply to us giving our all when we pray and not trying to half-as* God.
I don't want a long drawn out argument where you try to prove me wrong by any means possible, or try to prove yourself more alpha than me. I think many people have this complex here. If you want evidence from the Quran read it and the pertinent passages and keep my points in mind. That should be enough. If that's not there's nothing I can do for you, nor you for me. And we can just let each other be.
Godbless,
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Peace,
I don't know what you are talking about by hadissul lugha being an authority for language. Secondly I don't want to argue whether sunset is a point of time or a period of time. That seems pretty pointless to me. Even if you may think it is "crucial." In which case if you do and are ready to argue men down about this, l'll be glad to bow out of this conversation right now.
The sun takes some time to set anyway (not much, but it does take some time). I take ishaa to mean evening which inludes the times approximating sunset, which is early afternoon, sunset, the twilight that follows and the very early part of the night, when all of the sun's light has gone. If you check out Lane's Lexicon you will see that in Classical Arabic it can mean what i have just stated OR the time from late afternoon (approximating sunset) until dawn. I think this is the basis upon which many Muslims feel that they can pray Ishaa' all the way up until the time for fajr (which Islamically is just dawn's twilight). But that doesn't even matter. The meaning of ishaa' as the times that approximate sunset can be found in the dictionaries and more importantly concur with all of the other references in the Quran concerning where prayer being at the edge/end/extreme of daylight, including the parts of the night that approximate the edge/end/extreme of daylight. That's the way I see it. And in case you get stuck on as-salaatul-wustaa or as-salawaatul-wustaa. Wustaa can mean moderate or best. The first has a Quranic reference as to being modest/moderate when we pray (not being loud about our prayer or hiding our prayer). The second can just apply to us giving our all when we pray and not trying to half-as* God.
I don't want a long drawn out argument where you try to prove me wrong by any means possible, or try to prove yourself more alpha than me. I think many people have this complex here. If you want evidence from the Quran read it and the pertinent passages and keep my points in mind. That should be enough. If that's not there's nothing I can do for you, nor you for me. And we can just let each other be.
Godbless,
AnwarDear progod.
If you have some evidence from the Quran for thetime of Ishaa ,most welcome. References from Bukhari and Muslim of Lugha i.e Lane ,Tajuluroos ,Lisaan ularab. have nothing to do with the Quran.
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Peace,
Dear progod.
If you have some evidence from the Quran for thetime of Ishaa ,most welcome. References from Bukhari and Muslim of Lugha i.e Lane ,Tajuluroos ,Lisaan ularab. have nothing to do with the Quran.
RegardsWith that line of thought we can stop here. Peace and as always . . .
Godbless,
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Peace,
I found this on the forum here. I wrote it a long time ago but i think it is pertinent to the ideas present in this topic. I hope whoever reads it can benefit from it
Dictionaries and history books have two separate functions. History books are dedicated to stories and those stories are often too tempting not to touch by people who have some investment in the story; Ethnocentrism, Egocentrism etc etc. But dictionaries only seek to record how people use words. No stories involved. They also tag on well known usages to solidify the research. That's it. Sometimes a story of the origin of the word pops up but that is a back track for how the word was already being used. It is of no importance. There's no ego or ethnocentrism involved in finding out how people use words by getting them to use them. In the end if the only sources we have for the meanings of Arabic words used in the Quran and in other literature is falsified and corrupted you might as well throw your Quran in the fire because it is no more than hieroglyphs on paper. You cannot read unless you have a reliable source for the meanings of the words used. Open up your Quran, look at the Arabic and say to yourself that every meaning of these words before me has been lost and corrupted (unless you choose to be a hypocrite and justify how the words you like or need to further your own agenda were somehow magically saved from this conspiracy). Then ask yourself how you will find out what they mean in order to read the book if all the meanings have been corrupted.
Godbless,
Anwar -
Peace,
I found this on the forum here. I wrote it a long time ago but i think it is pertinent to the ideas present in this topic. I hope whoever reads it can benefit from it
Dictionaries and history books have two separate functions. History books are dedicated to stories and those stories are often too tempting not to touch by people who have some investment in the story; Ethnocentrism, Egocentrism etc etc. But dictionaries only seek to record how people use words. No stories involved. They also tag on well known usages to solidify the research. That's it. Sometimes a story of the origin of the word pops up but that is a back track for how the word was already being used. It is of no importance. There's no ego or ethnocentrism involved in finding out how people use words by getting them to use them. In the end if the only sources we have for the meanings of Arabic words used in the Quran and in other literature is falsified and corrupted you might as well throw your Quran in the fire because it is no more than hieroglyphs on paper. You cannot read unless you have a reliable source for the meanings of the words used. Open up your Quran, look at the Arabic and say to yourself that every meaning of these words before me has been lost and corrupted (unless you choose to be a hypocrite and justify how the words you like or need to further your own agenda were somehow magically saved from this conspiracy). Then ask yourself how you will find out what they mean in order to read the book if all the meanings have been corrupted.
Godbless,
AnwarBrother Salaam
The difference between history books and dicitonary books is just arabitrrary. These ae are same persons narrating the narrating the historical aspect and as well lexical aspect.
Once liar,, liar for ever.As far as excuses are concerned ,those can be be created. Even Iblis created an excuse for not prostatrating in front of Adam.
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