Rahmadan- guide to fasting in Rahmadan
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Agree, one night of Measure yay
Agree yay
Now for me to agree, what is your proof from Quran that we have to use the sun to calculate the period of Month? Stragiht Answer brickwall
Otherwise, Farida claim about your worship of Sun is True
Sorry belal. This is a different point to fasting because fasting is independent of the man-made calendar. This is the whole point in the discussion. My point was Men before us have used the Sun deduce the seasons, the days and the years whether or not it has PAGAN roots is irrelevant because it is not used in the Qur'an not even the 24 hours we live by! We live by a calendar but we observe our duties to God according to what God sends down alone.
For example God uses Dawn as the start of a new day whereas we say a new day starts at 0000. So the dawn of 21 september is the beginning of the day of 21 september, when sunsets it is the beginning of the night of the 21 september and so forth, but we use this when fasting, praying, and understanding the Qur'an even though we do not live our every day lives like that. The only things that have prevalance in our religion is what God Himself sent down as INDICATORS for us to use. And what did I quote in my last post? What did he send down and made subject to us?
He it is that cleaveth the day-break (from the dark) He makes the night for rest and tranquillity, and the sun and moon for the reckoning (of time) Such is the judgment and ordering of (Him), the Exalted in Power, the Omniscient.
696Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but if I use what God has created for Man and I obey this command
Among His Signs are the Night and the Day, and the Sun and the Moon. Do not prostrate to the sun and the moon, but prostrate to Allah, Who created them, if it is Him ye wish to serve.
4137Then I am only following what God has sent down and no pagan culture that seeks to engulf any of God's creations can detract from this guidance.
Peace
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Sorry belal. This is a different point to fasting because fasting is independent of the man-made calendar. This is the whole point in the discussion. My point was Men before us have used the Sun deduce the seasons, the days and the years whether or not it has PAGAN roots is irrelevant because it is not used in the Qur'an not even the 24 hours we live by! We live by a calendar but we observe our duties to God according to what God sends down alone.
For example God uses Dawn as the start of a new day whereas we say a new day starts at 0000. So the dawn of 21 september is the beginning of the day of 21 september, when sunsets it is the beginning of the night of the 21 september and so forth, but we use this when fasting, praying, and understanding the Qur'an even though we do not live our every day lives like that. The only things that have prevalance in our religion is what God Himself sent down as INDICATORS for us to use. And what did I quote in my last post? What did he send down and made subject to us?Yes we are ordered to measuer the day (and week) by the Sun cycle, as the Quran says.
AgreeNow, correct me if I'm wrong, but if I use what God has created for Man and I obey this command
Among His Signs are the Night and the Day, and the Sun and the Moon. Do not prostrate to the sun and the moon, but prostrate to Allah, Who created them, if it is Him ye wish to serve.
4137Then I am only following what God has sent down and no pagan culture that seeks to engulf any of God's creations can detract from this guidance.
Peace
OK, Do you agree that
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It is He Who made the sun to be a shining glory and the moon to be a light, and measured out stages for it that ye might know the number of years and the calculation. No wise did Allah create this but in truth and righteousness. (Thus) doth He explain His Signs in detail, for those who understand. (5)
Thus, the Moon Stages was created for us to calculate the period of month (and year = 12 month)
Do you agree or not; STRAIGHT ANSWER
Now, if the above is true, how should we calculate?
Well, if we are calculating Moon Cycle, we should count the days from the begining of cycle untill the end.They ask thee concerning the crescents. Say they are but signs to mark fixed periods of time for men, and for pilgrimage. It is no virtue if ye enter your houses from the back; it is virtue if ye fear Allah. Enter houses through the proper doors and fear Allah that ye may prosper. (2-189)
What is the begining of the Moon Cycle is it the Waxing crescent or the wining crescent?
Well, I say the one that marks the begining of the Moon Cycle--the Waxing Crescent.DO you agree or not? Straight Answer?
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It seems on this forum your purpose is to make an "Ayman" sect when all that was made was a simple article that people found truth in using the Qur'an alone. Whereas the Ramadhan that Sunni's practice is explained in the HADITH, hmmm.
PeaceSalaam again Soof
No I would disagree; Ayman's article is not just simple it is very misleading and could result in an already divided community fragmenting into oblivion. Other religions celebrate their special occassions on the same day, but we the followers of the Quran have our various, small pockets of special occassions each with his/her own day, and changing the Qur'an beyond recognition so that no one would value it any more.At the end of the day, we can't take anyone's word for anything, we have to verify it for ourselves as God commands us to do. If we blindly follow something we simply agree with, we are not using our brains, and more research is needed.
Exactly!! We are all expected to do our own search for the truth, we have the book and we have the brains and our faith in Allah that we would reach the core of the truth. Insha'Allah.
Please desist with referring to people as sheep/followers/sectarians. What does God say about backbiters, "would you like to eat the flesh of your dead brother?"
I apologise sincerly if you felt it was aimed at you; that was not my intention. -[
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Peace, soof and aymen
So what are you sayin?
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Peace, soof and aymen
So what are you sayin?
And Bilal?
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Peace Brother,
I said to many things, please let me know if you have spacific Question after you read what I said.
Or did you mean the Other Bilal rotfl
PeacePeace Bro, peace
alright...
I meant the other Bilal. Ahmad.
Were did they go? eat
peace eat Praise be to God.
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If one was sleep during fasting hours, and he had a wet dream were he dischared semen during the day, would that break his fast? hmm
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LOL!!
A fast for 12 hours and then eating for 12 is only a fast for 12 hours.I ask again, how can you call it a fast for a month?!
Daylight 12 hours an darkness 12 hours, = 30 days and 30 ninghts...
in ither words fast 30 days. U are indeed fasting for a month... during 30 days/ daytime...
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If one was sleep during fasting hours, and he had a wet dream were he dischared semen during the day, would that break his fast? hmm
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well i guess it probly wouldnt when u think about it, after all it wasnt intentional...
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Peace to all,
pvb, please stop Laughing Out Loud at all our comments, you sound like your making fun of muslims that fast for 30 days, it isnt fast for 12 and eat for 12, you dont eat or drink at all from sunrise to sunset, then you can eat in moderation, but the majority of the time when the sun is down you are sleeping, so your body is surviving on very little food and drink for a whole month, indeed it is very hard and requires alot of self-control and discipline. So have you tried it yet, are you going to, if not , why not. Beleive me, the christian fasting of lent for fourty days does not even compare, they usually pick one think to give up like " i wont drink pop for fourty days" they then continually indulge themselves in whatever else they want as normal, iyou dont even know that your fasting, give me a break, or, I mean, LOL
Kurt
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2184 .........And concerning those who cannot endure the fast; you redeem by feeding any of the poorest of the poor ; and whoever gives alms volutarily then it is best for him; and it is best that you fast, if you are able.
eat tempt eat Praise be to Allah. eat yay eat
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Peace,
Yes, you are right.
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But the Torah say that anyone who has had sex or a flow of semen must take a bath, but they still remain unclean until evening...
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But the Torah say that anyone who has had sex or a flow of semen must take a bath, but they still remain unclean until evening...
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They say what they say, but your Lord says
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O ye who believe! Approach not prayers with a mind befogged, until ye can understand all that ye say, nor in a state of ceremonial impurity (except when travelling on the road), until after washing your whole body if ye are ill, or on a journey, or one of you cometh from offices of nature, or ye have been in contact with women, and ye find no water, then take for yourselves clean sand or earth, and rub therewith your faces and hands. For Allah doth blot out sins and forgive again and again. (4-43)Do not forget that humans have their own logic that most of the time defers from what God's want.
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Ending the debate in the truth is what matters;
The Truth is Month = Shahar
The Truth is Rammadan = the month when Moslem Fast.
The Truth is Scorching Moon does not happen in Summer time as Ayman Said nor in any other spacific time; morover Scorching Moon does not happen every year.
The Truth is Moslems should use the Moon Stages to Calculate the period of Month.
The Truth is "Witnessing " can be done by Sighting or by Hearing.
The Truth is Blind people can Fast as other Moslems.If the above is not The Truth from our Lord, what else can it be.
I worship The God who Makes his Message very Clear to every human to understand hail
Mr. bilal there are twelve moon can you please tell us witch moon is Ramadan moon or you are blindly following the calendar made by traditionalist after the death of the prophet why the prophet did not made one.
and if that calendar is correct then why Muslims are fighting every year in pak in every city the Ramadan & Eid starts on three different dates
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Ending the debate in the truth is what matters;
The Truth is Month = Shahar
The Truth is Rammadan = the month when Moslem Fast.
The Truth is Scorching Moon does not happen in Summer time as Ayman Said nor in any other spacific time; morover Scorching Moon does not happen every year.
The Truth is Moslems should use the Moon Stages to Calculate the period of Month.
The Truth is "Witnessing " can be done by Sighting or by Hearing.
The Truth is Blind people can Fast as other Moslems.If the above is not The Truth from our Lord, what else can it be.
I worship The God who Makes his Message very Clear to every human to understand hail
Mr. bilal there are twelve moon can you please tell us witch moon is Ramadan moon or you are blindly following the calendar made by traditionalist after the death of the prophet why the prophet did not made one.
and if that calendar is correct then why Muslims are fighting every year in pak in every city the Ramadan & Eid starts on three different dates
peacePeace;
Every word I wrote in the post you quoted is Truth; I supported each with maney verses; Now, Do You Reject them as Truth or not?
Because if you do you are disblieving Quranic verses?
Rammadan was never in Summer time as Ayman says?
Please read thisPeace all,
Another point I would like to share with you; The following is a Quotion from Ayman 4 years ago
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Sister, you ignore that you are starting to count 4 "periods" from "ramadan", so according to you the hunting restriction is early fall-winter. Where I am in the Northern Hemisphere, fall is deer hunting season because that is when they are the most plentiful. Hence, your preservation of land-game argument is not factual.
End QuoteAs you can note Rammadan is the begining of 4 restricted Months. Thus according to Ayman, if Rammadan Moon starts in June 15 (solistic Moon), then the end of the 4 restricted Months would be in about October 15. In this time according to Ayman would be Fall time.
Now let us explore the following
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A (declaration) of immunity from Allah and His Messenger to those of the pagans with whom ye have contracted mutual alliances. (1) Go ye, then for four months, backwards and forwards, (as ye will), throughout the land, but know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah (by your falsehood) but that Allah will cover with shame those who reject Him. (2) And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the pagans. If, then ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith. (3) (But the treaties are) not dissolved with those pagans with whom Ye have entered into alliance and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor aided anyone against you. So fulfil your engagements with them to the end of their term for Allah loveth the righteous. (4) But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (9-5)
As you can note the war would start after October 15--Fall Time and not in the heat of Summer time.
Now read the following, from the same Chapter
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Those who were left behind rejoiced in their inaction behind the back of the Messenger of Allah they hated to strive and fight with their goods and their persons, in the Cause of Allah they said "Go not forth in the heat. Say "The fire of Hell is fiercer in heat." If only they could understand! (9-81)
Now is the period after October 15 Hot or should be...Mild or Cold? Or Maybe it was Global Warming? confused
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Peace;
Every word I wrote in the post you quoted is Truth; I supported each with maney verses; Now, Do You Reject them as Truth or not?
Because if you do you are disblieving Quranic verses?
Rammadan was never in Summer time as Ayman says?
Please read thispeace
No one is rejecting the verses but the quischen is how we know which month is ramdn and wich are trhe sacred monthe with out following the the calendar made after the prphet daeth and wich is full of errors.
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No one is rejecting the verses but the quischen is how we know which month is ramdn and wich are trhe sacred monthe with out following the the calendar made after the prphet daeth and wich is full of errors.
Peace;
The Prophet had a Calender by which he calculated the time of Ramadan and Hajj and the restricted month.
Now is the Calender still exist? Yes, and it is. If someone wants to say otherwise, he should bring proof, otherwise we can not believe him.What Ayman has are proofs that are based on other books and not Quran; moreover, I and others showed very well-established verses that refute his non Quranic proofs.
Now, God gave you a Brain to reason, and a free well to choose.
Good Luck! and may God help you to reach the truth.