Omar Bin Alkhattab Lead me here!
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Alsalam Alikum wa RahmatuAllah wa Barakatuh,
My story
I always have loved the character of Omar Ben Alkhattab "RA", I was Suni sometimes and Agnostic other times, I always believed in God, but was not sure if Islam ( Islam meaning Suna) teachings are divine. It didn't all add up.. I always had a skeptic view of Hadith, I have to admit I liked some of them and some other were soft p0rn elektro I liked the p0rn ones though. But lots of them didn't make any sense since it contradicted the Quran and reason; like killing apostates it was a very clear contradiction for me.
I didn't know that I had the option to discard all the Hadith ;D , I thought I would be apostate if you do so.
Now how Omar lead me here
I read somewhere couple of months ago that Omar Ben Alkhattab used to beat the hell out of Abu Hurierah because of his wickedness, and Abu Hurierah narrated like more 1000 Hadiths of Al-Bukhari?s 6000 Hadiths "I am giving rough numbers here, I don't remember the exact number?.
This year I wanted to clear things up so I started reading a lot and watched MANY debates between Muslims and Christians . Muslims "Sunis" always kicked ass but when a crazy Hadith is thrown on them they eat dust. So I abandoned Hadith all together.
Last month I met one of my best friends of all timed and he was more "Suni" than I was, the topic came up and he told me that he also doesn't believe in Haidth anymore and our other best friend has also abandoned Hadith and one of our best professor at the University as well, I was shocked.. Btw Both of my friends became Quran Aloners by reading some books I believe Shahrour?s was one of them.
So after that day with my friend I went to Google and I searched and searched and here I am. God bless Sergey Brin and Larry Page and show them the true path )
Note Until I came to this forum I didn?t know the term Quranist or God Alone, I never heard of Rashad Khalifa as well.. etc, yes , I don't watch TV and I work like a donkey so please don't be sarcastic. elektro, I have to admit that I heard the term Quranist "Quranioon" once on Aljazeera and I thought they are newcon apostates, I didn't think it much then.
I was really shocked that lots of people believe the same things I believe. I thought I was Alone brickwall
The first one to drive me to investigate Hadith more is Omar Ibn Alkhattab and I have to give him the credit.
Glad to be here. )
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Peace to all,
greetings and welcome abuamrami, truely God alone is all you need, glad to see you freed yourself from false fetters. Please tell others you know about this sight, maybe get them to join in on the discussions, lets all work together to help reform Islam and Muslims into what God intended. Hope to hear from you more brother,
Kurt
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Salaaman Abuamrrami,
welcome to the forum brother.
"Allahu yajtabi ilaiyhe maiynyashaa, wa yahdi iliaihi maiynyuneeb"
"Allah selects towards Him to whom He wishes, And guide towards Him to those who turn towards Him"
May Allah guide us all towards the Truth.
Regards,
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Peace,
First I forgot say welcome to the forum.
Was this one of the Hadith? http//www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/001.smt.html#001.0050I believe thats one of the ones that sent me conflicting message after I read the Quran (faith + deeds vs. faith alone).
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Peace All,
Thank you all,YES aalmakto, this is the one )
Peace,
First I forgot say welcome to the forum.
Was this one of the Hadith? http//www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/001.smt.html#001.0050I believe thats one of the ones that sent me conflicting message after I read the Quran (faith + deeds vs. faith alone).
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Peace All,
Thank you all,YES aalmakto, this is the one
Total number of traditions in 9 volumns of Bukhari and the narrators 7068
Aisha the mother of faithful 1250 (17.68%)
Abu Hurairah 1100 (15.56%)
Ibn-Umar, son of Umar 1100 (15.56%)
Anas-Ibn-Malik 900 (12.73%)
Abdullah-Ibn-Abbas 700 (9.9%)
Jobair-Ibn-Abdullah 275 (3.89%)
Abu-Musa-Ashari 165 (2.33%)
Abu-Said-Al-Khedri 130 (1.84%)
Ali-Ibn-Abitaleeb 79 (1.11%)
Umar-Ibn-Khattab 50 (0.71%)
Umm Salamh 48 (0.68%)
Abdullah-Ibn-Masud 45 (0.64%)
Muawiyah-Ibn-Abusofyan 10 (0.14%)
Hasan-Ibn-Ali 8 (0.11%)
Ali-Ibn-Husain 6 (0.08%)
Husain-Ibn-Ali 2 (0.03%)
(83% on the whole)
All narrators should have known to be sincere muslims.
They should not have practiced or be practicing 'Tadlees'. 'Tadlees' (lit. deception) means narrating a Hadith with a chain that raises its status higher than it actually deserves. This practice can be implemented in two key ways. (i) Tadlees in 'Isnad' (ii) Tadlees in 'Shuyookh'. 'Tadlees in Isnad' occurs when one narrates a Hadith from a person who he has, although met, but not heard from. Even if he doesn't mention the teacher's name in explicit terms, any indication that gives an impression of having heard from or visited him will still be branded as 'Tadlees'. 'Tadlees in Shuyookh' takes place when one, while narrating, mentions his teacher with such ambiguity that conceals or helps to conceal his real identity and thereby switches the mind to another narrator of a higher caliber.
He should not be a 'Mukhtalit'. Literally meaning 'one who puts into confusion', it applies to every deliberate alteration from a narrator that may threat the veracity of the narrative.
He should be well-distinguished in having maintained a proper conduct and a honorable record.
He should be possessing of outstanding exactitude and preciseness. If any element of doubt is found in his narrations, this quality of his will be rendered void.
He should have a sound memory and should also be free from all mental disorders and psychological deficiencies even from forgetfulness due to old age or sickness.
? He should have pristine theological beliefs. If his beliefs clash with those of the 'Ahl As-Sunnah wal Jama'ah', his narrations will be subject to further consideration depending on the severity of his deviation.
? There should be solid evidence of his union with his teacher who he narrates from. Mere possibility of their meeting will not be acceptable enough, as it would be to Imam Muslim rahimahullah.
? Some scholars have also added that every link of the chain of a specific Hadith should have at least two narrators especially going closer to the Prophet sallallahu alaihi wa sallam i.e. in the case of the Companions radiallahu anhumand their Successors rahimahumullah. Abu Abdullah Al-Hakim rahimahullah, compiler of the controversial 'Mustadrak' on the 'Sihah' of Imam Bukhari and Imam Muslim rahimahumullah, seems to have initialized this thought and was consequently criticized. This thought did find some defendants, but not before undergoing reinterpretation. The critics argued that an in-depth analysis of the book simply proves the notion utterly fallacious as most narrations are, ironically in the initial stages, transmitted only by a single source. The defendants adopted various standpoints. Some explained that what understood was not what was intended. This condition was just a misinterpretation of another which required a narration to befit in the scope of 'Shuhrah' (lit. fame). The evidence forwarded was that some narrations were considered acceptable though they did not completely fulfill the disputed condition. Rather, Imam Bukhari rahimahullah, if convinced, also accepted Ahadith where only one transmitter was available even at an initial stage. This methodology of individual meriting indicated that what was of essence was the condition of 'Shuhrah' and not the number of narrators available. This response, although profound, failed to convince those who vehemently demanded unconditional proof to the claims. A more appealing argument given was that the fame of a narrator, and not the narrated as asserted in the previous explanation, was required. It was suggested that a narrator should certify towards his mass recognition by simply providing names of at least two of his transmitters. Clearly, as similar to the former explanation, the key point was that one was not required to have transmitted a specific Hadith to two narrators as conditioned in Al-Hakim's rahimahullah thought. Only required was enough proof that the narrator was not unknown and hence this argument was relatively more convincing and acceptable.