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    L_Hu
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    My freind as much as the Quran's text will change the message will remain the same. And the article you mentioned should not disturb you. The Quran's early history was totally oral. Yet besides this the Quran for a oral text has been preserved magnifzently. Very few diffrences arise in the text of Quran. To call these separte recitations "versions" is a streach. No new doctrines can arise from these diffrent texts. They are only stysiltic. Also we made verse separtion. We also added surah names. So to say these diffrences between verse numberings and surah names would also be funny since we made verse separtion and surah name. Also these diffrences are few and meager. To be honest you can reflect on it, but do not lose sleep on something so meager. These diffrences involve saying a word or spelling a word diffrently. In other words simply diffrent pronuncation. In seruis case's its usally useing a diffrent word but that word is a synomy of the word found in are "standord" Cairo edition. These difrences happened because of arabic dialects multiple ways of saying a word. Also old arabic was a defective script. To call these minor diffrences disturbing is pointless. And if these minor diffrences are still trobling, a western scholar Arthur Jeffrey took these diffrent readings and treid to consturct a critacal text of Quran. His project was never complete. It was almost. We can continue his work. But I would not waste time on such minor diffrences.

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      The truth of the matter however is that there are significant differences which cannot simply
      be waived away or ignored?

      For example
      2125 in Hafs is ?WatakhIzu? (You shall take) / In Warsh it is
      ?WatakhAzu? (They have taken/made).

      In 2125 the subject being addressed is that of ?Maqam Ibrahim?. One version gives a
      command/order, while the other states a historical fact/observation.
      3146 in Hafs is tGs% ?Qatal? (Fought) / In Warsh it is ?Qutil? (Were Killed).
      In 3146 the difference is between a prophet and those with him being killed, while in the
      other the difference only means that they fought by his side.
      Verse counts for Hafs are 6236, while Warsh records 6214.

      Muslims claim to know the time, place, and occasion that each verse was revealed in?Yet
      between Hafs and Warsh they seems not to know even how many verses were originally
      revealed!
      The question that presents itself is ?Which did Gabriel reveal??

      The above is directly from the article. It goes into more detail about the differences. i suggest u read it more thoroughly.

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        L_Hu
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        I have read it three times. We made verse separtion. So diffrences in verse separtion are human made diffrences

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          barmack
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          Peace,
          so the diffrence is the verse seperation?
          Peace

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            L_Hu
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            No there are many minor pronucition diffrences. Also in the diffrent recitaitions there are uses of diffrent synomys. Some times a past tense is used. Or a present tense. Or a in genaral a tense diffrent then Cairo version. But diffrent doctrines or practices will not arise from these "versions".

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              Roshan
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              The Quran's early history was totally oral.

              Peace

              Are you sure? Isn't the Quran referred in numerous places as a kitab (scripture). Doesn't the Quran relate the story of how Muhammad ordered the Quran under instruction from God?

              Also I do not feel the question on the different readings put by Ali Faiz has been answered.

              Roshan

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                L_Hu
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                Read Daniel Madigan's book "The Quran's Self Image". It shows that kitab does not merely mean book. It also shows that the Quran was totally oral. Read his book for his evidence. Also I cant recall such a story in Quran. But it is in a Hadith.

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                  barmack
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                  Peace,
                  The real question is was it meant to only be oral.
                  If it was then why would it says READ.
                  So pointing out that it was oral originally is irrelevant. because it was meant to be read.
                  unless Read doesnt mean to read.
                  Peace

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                    L_Hu
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                    Read meant recite in older times. Even in english. Also Qul means say. Iqra also can mean recite. Dhikr also has a spoken qaulity to it.

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                      Muslims claim to know the time, place, and occasion that each verse was revealed in?

                      This is news to me - I thought there was only a small minority of verses where this detail was known. Is there a book which gives this detail?

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