Donkey: 74:49-51

Samia

is for donkey, also defined as such by Quran by reference to voice.

In fact the plural for donkeys regarding their voice is (hameer) and not (humur) 3119; and also used in the same meaning (i.e donkeys) in verse 168. I therefore do not think humur/humr is donkeys (nor zebras).

The only other verse using (humur/humr) is 3527. In it, the word is the adjective humur, plural of "ahmarred".

In my opinion, and since "qaswara" can also mean the whispering (of a group), the parable is of lions (red animals) fleeing the whisper or voices; Animals' fleeing from a lion is natural and normal, and they flee for sweet life; but how can this be the example of people fleeing the reminder? Does fleeing the reminder save people lives?

Mazhar

Thanks Sister.

Please also explain these two words in relation to humur;

Samia

mustanfara frightened (by something); mustanfira afraid; alienating oneself for not accepting something.
Root Nuun Faa Raa

Far-rat run away; escape. Root Faa Raa Raa

Mazhar

mustanfara frightened (by something); mustanfira afraid; alienating oneself for not accepting something.
Root Nuun Faa Raa

Thanks, Sister

Is it correct that the basic concept/perception infolded in Root ?Nuun Faa Raa? is to feel disquiet/irritation and leave one?s place which results in alienation/getting parted and distancing from the thing that caused disquiet/irritation.

is desirous of distancing away while love desires nearness/closeness/combining/joining/association.

Far-rat run away; escape. Root Faa Raa Raa

Perhaps the basic concept/perception of this Root is to open apart the mouth of an animal to make his teeth visible to determine say age.
Opening of the mouth creates distance between two jaws and hence it was employed to get/run away from something.

The example given is that of the psyche/habit of all species of donkey that seeing lion they express disquiet/irritation and open teeth. This habit is meaningless and of no avail/consequence.
And the example given is to portray a person who on presentation of Quran avoids it/turns away { } and indulged in , meaningless vain talk of no avail/purpose. {People overpowered/shadowed by tradition/doings of forefathers demonstrate similar attitude}

If we restrict the the original perception infolded in these two Roots while translating said verse, the precision/match of example and the exemplified becomes evident.

Thanks.

Samia

Thanks, Sister

Perhaps the basic concept/perception of this Root is to open apart the mouth of an animal to make his teeth visible to determine say age.
Opening of the mouth creates distance between two jaws and hence it was employed to get/run away from something.

The example given is that of the psyche/habit of all species of donkey that seeing lion they express disquiet/irritation and open teeth. This habit is meaningless and of no avail/consequence.
And the example given is to portray a person who on presentation of Quran avoids it/turns away { } and indulged in , meaningless vain talk of no avail/purpose. {People overpowered/shadowed by tradition/doings of forefathers demonstrate similar attitude}

If we restrict the the original perception infolded in these two Roots while translating said verse, the precision/match of example and the exemplified becomes evident.

Thanks.

This is even a better translation, and perhaps the correct one because it does make sense peace

Muslimtruthrevealed

Excellent commentary in this thread. Would it be possible to share the references you use to develop your responses? (i.e. Lexicons, Dictionaries, grammatical resources, etc.)

Mazhar

Excellent commentary in this thread. Would it be possible to share the references you use to develop your responses? (i.e. Lexicons, Dictionaries, grammatical resources, etc

Thanks

Grand Quran has made the tallest claims; it should be the premises for its study/responses.

This Book is La Raib; i.e. nothing narrated therein is conjectural, hearsay, its presentation is not caused for satisfying some psychological imbalance/irritation;
It is NOT poetry. By declaring this, The Author of the Book is not granting any right to its reader to interpret it in the manner he likes.

In Poetry, the Poet looses his right to interpret what he has said; it is the reader to interpret what has been said; like the Judges who do not have the right to interpret their judgments once given.

Therefore Quran is not to be interpreted by its reader in the light of his own perceptions/ knowledge/data stored in his memory. It has to be taken and understood in the simple and plain meanings of the words of the Arabic language employed/used by the Book unless it has assigned specific meanings/perception to the word or term it has employed suggesting that the word/term shall not be construed otherwise, with reference to this Book.

The meanings of the word are to be taken as are perceived by the majority of people using that particular language;

Whatever I have studied so far reveals to me the supremacy of Arabic Language over all other languages of the world in the sense that every Root of it has infolded in it all realities relating to matter and life. Individual word of Quran has built in verifiable scientific facts.
Quran and its language both are termed as ?Mubeen?; i.e. the one that segregates two things from each other making each one prominent/evident/visible/perceivable. Therefore, it would be strange and negation of the claim of Quran and its Language being ?Mubeen?, if someone suggests that the meanings of a statement of Quran could have more than one meaning.
Grand Quran is termed as ?Al Haqq? i.e. statement of proven fact; ?Al Haq? is one which is not effected in time and space; it is not mere truth since truth is with reference to time and space. Therefore, in time and space, past, present and future, every statement of it was, it and shall remain a fact for each of its reader.
The One Who sent the Book has not given right to anyone to explain any of its statement from his own knowledge/perceptions acquired by him by that point of time which is called ?Tilqai Nafsi ?. During the period it was being revealed, He had made promise that whatever has been sent by any given point of time, its explanation {Bayana } is due upon Him. Therefore, since it has completely been revealed and reached to us, today any statement of Quran is to be explained only by another statement of Quran.
None, in time and space, can claim that all data about the universe and his own self is within his reach/grasp. Revelation of knowledge is always progressive; every new fact about universe and our own bodies hitherto hidden which come within the reach of our vision we will find it already mentioned in the Quran. Any writer of the past could not ?reflect ? on many things mentioned in the Quran since he had not the relevant data/information which is a pre-requisite, as per the Quran, for reflection/ . Hence none, repeat none, can be considered as authority and the last word. Respecting and appreciating efforts of earlier scholars/Lexicon writers is something different. They all assist, as Sister Samia helps me, to better understand a word. It is interesting that all those writers who compiled ?Hadith? could not pick up the courage to call their collection as ?truth? instead employed ?Sahih-Reliable? which term has built-in element of doubt. It reflects that in the heart of their heart they themselves were in a state of ?Raib? about what they were compiling.
Allah and His Messenger told us ?This Quran is ? {singular }
The peculiar feature of its Root is that the thing should have been focused upon bringing vision enabling saving it in the memory as a perception so that it can be retrieved/recalled and seen again. Quran narrated the facts in the manner as if it is a video so that we can watch the event.
Quran, is ?Breaking news in exactly balanced manner/words?. It gives a ?Headline? and then keeps stating ?updates?.
Take out all Ayat {or part} relating to a particular event and place them in one place. Even in this way one will find exact continuity in the narration if one employs exact perception of the conjunctive words/particle not that ?waw?, ?fa?, ?dhumma? are given similar meanings.
Major part of Quran is about physical facts, relating to matter. It corrects the ?so called wisdom and knowledge of seven wise men of Greece? which was the prevalent ?knowledge? in the days of its revelation. They thought that the universe is composed of four major elements which along with ?fire? included earth, water and air. Quran elaborates and gives scientific information about all these explaining that ?Fire? is something distinct from matter, earth, water and air whom all it affects.
Quran narrates hidden facts about matter exactly in the manner a scientist explains physical sciences to a man of ordinary prudence employing such words that it should be of interest for a scientist/man of wisdom too.
In time and space, it is only a statement about matter that is verifiable. The evidence that this is a Book of the Creator is not digits/hidden code but the facts about matter mentioned therein in seventh century.

afridi220

Thanks

Grand Quran has made the tallest claims; it should be the premises for its study/responses.

This Book is La Raib; i.e. nothing narrated therein is conjectural, hearsay, its presentation is not caused for satisfying some psychological imbalance/irritation;
It is NOT poetry. By declaring this, The Author of the Book is not granting any right to its reader to interpret it in the manner he likes.

In Poetry, the Poet looses his right to interpret what he has said; it is the reader to interpret what has been said; like the Judges who do not have the right to interpret their judgments once given.

Therefore Quran is not to be interpreted by its reader in the light of his own perceptions/ knowledge/data stored in his memory. It has to be taken and understood in the simple and plain meanings of the words of the Arabic language employed/used by the Book unless it has assigned specific meanings/perception to the word or term it has employed suggesting that the word/term shall not be construed otherwise, with reference to this Book.

The meanings of the word are to be taken as are perceived by the majority of people using that particular language;

Whatever I have studied so far reveals to me the supremacy of Arabic Language over all other languages of the world in the sense that every Root of it has infolded in it all realities relating to matter and life. Individual word of Quran has built in verifiable scientific facts.
Quran and its language both are termed as ?Mubeen?; i.e. the one that segregates two things from each other making each one prominent/evident/visible/perceivable. Therefore, it would be strange and negation of the claim of Quran and its Language being ?Mubeen?, if someone suggests that the meanings of a statement of Quran could have more than one meaning.
Grand Quran is termed as ?Al Haqq? i.e. statement of proven fact; ?Al Haq? is one which is not effected in time and space; it is not mere truth since truth is with reference to time and space. Therefore, in time and space, past, present and future, every statement of it was, it and shall remain a fact for each of its reader.
The One Who sent the Book has not given right to anyone to explain any of its statement from his own knowledge/perceptions acquired by him by that point of time which is called ?Tilqai Nafsi ?. During the period it was being revealed, He had made promise that whatever has been sent by any given point of time, its explanation {Bayana } is due upon Him. Therefore, since it has completely been revealed and reached to us, today any statement of Quran is to be explained only by another statement of Quran.
None, in time and space, can claim that all data about the universe and his own self is within his reach/grasp. Revelation of knowledge is always progressive; every new fact about universe and our own bodies hitherto hidden which come within the reach of our vision we will find it already mentioned in the Quran. Any writer of the past could not ?reflect ? on many things mentioned in the Quran since he had not the relevant data/information which is a pre-requisite, as per the Quran, for reflection/ . Hence none, repeat none, can be considered as authority and the last word. Respecting and appreciating efforts of earlier scholars/Lexicon writers is something different. They all assist, as Sister Samia helps me, to better understand a word. It is interesting that all those writers who compiled ?Hadith? could not pick up the courage to call their collection as ?truth? instead employed ?Sahih-Reliable? which term has built-in element of doubt. It reflects that in the heart of their heart they themselves were in a state of ?Raib? about what they were compiling.
Allah and His Messenger told us ?This Quran is ? {singular }
The peculiar feature of its Root is that the thing should have been focused upon bringing vision enabling saving it in the memory as a perception so that it can be retrieved/recalled and seen again. Quran narrated the facts in the manner as if it is a video so that we can watch the event.
Quran, is ?Breaking news in exactly balanced manner/words?. It gives a ?Headline? and then keeps stating ?updates?.
Take out all Ayat {or part} relating to a particular event and place them in one place. Even in this way one will find exact continuity in the narration if one employs exact perception of the conjunctive words/particle not that ?waw?, ?fa?, ?dhumma? are given similar meanings.
Major part of Quran is about physical facts, relating to matter. It corrects the ?so called wisdom and knowledge of seven wise men of Greece? which was the prevalent ?knowledge? in the days of its revelation. They thought that the universe is composed of four major elements which along with ?fire? included earth, water and air. Quran elaborates and gives scientific information about all these explaining that ?Fire? is something distinct from matter, earth, water and air whom all it affects.
Quran narrates hidden facts about matter exactly in the manner a scientist explains physical sciences to a man of ordinary prudence employing such words that it should be of interest for a scientist/man of wisdom too.
In time and space, it is only a statement about matter that is verifiable. The evidence that this is a Book of the Creator is not digits/hidden code but the facts about matter mentioned therein in seventh century.

Peace
Excellently explained

Muslimtruthrevealed

Assalaam Alaikum

Ok we all 'got that' but that doesnt address my suggestion.

Mazhar

Grand Qur'an has used the word {2259}, {6205} and {1608} as an animal for travel and carrying loads. This certainly refers to domesticated donkey.

But has been used here. If it refers to Wild ass then it is to be taken as Zebra {its original meaning is also wild ass}. Donkey {both domesticated and wild} and Zebra belongs to the same family Equidae but Zebra has peculiar feature of white stripes. Zebras run away from lion but if cornered give a fight back. The difference between the two is that Zebra is not employed for travel and carriage of loads. Therefore and are distinct from each other. As compared to donkey, zebra has less chromosomes; therefore the off spring of their cross is sterile.

This word has come once here 3527

Here refers to stripes/streaks of white colour and be taken as wild asses {Zebra}