Number of wives?
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salam far. you ask how did i get to this idea of no upper limit.
i did not get to this idea. the upper limit does not exist when i read the quran.
you have seen the same as me, that the prophet was told he could have no more wives, except from those his right hand posess.
you have also seen the verses that talk about having two, or three, or four wives, and you have seen it does not contain a prohibition for any more wives, like the prohibition placed on the prophet.
when you use the term limit, or had, the only person who can limit is allah. allah has not placed a limit on the number of wives. if allah does not place a limit on the number of wives, it would be shirk for anyone to place a limit.
obviously allah knows how to place a limit if that was his intention. he demonstrated his ability to place a limit when he limited the prophet. allah had no intention to limit others in the number of wives, otherwise, he would have plainly said, as he said to the prophet, that rajal, cannot have more than four nisa or zawj, and would not have needed a separate ayat to prohibit the prophet.
allah is the lawgiver.
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salam. the people who make claims, like marry only those you can manage sensibly, have only themselves as authorities for their claims.
if allah wished to say this he would have said that. he did not say that.
no amount of listening to the quran for the sake of a lie, will justify the lies.
allah is the truth.
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salam. the people who make claims, like marry only those you can manage sensibly, have only themselves as authorities for their claims.
if allah wished to say this he would have said that. he did not say that.
no amount of listening to the quran for the sake of a lie, will justify the lies.
allah is the truth.
The same could be said that if the god wished that you could marry more than four then the god would have mentioned that you can marry as much as you want, no?
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salam far. no.
your question betrays a lack of understanding of law. laws are prohibitions, tahrim, those things made haram.
laws are not a collection of the things allowed. to expect the law to state, this is allowed, that is allowed would result in a ridiculous situation. let me give you an example. let us say, a law states four wives are permitted, then the law states five wives are permitted, then the law states six wives are permitted, ad nauseaum. the law if written like this will result in a catastrophically huge impossible to manage writing.
do not expect to see in a law, this is allowed, that is allowed. the legal rule is "silence is assent" in other words when the quran is silent on a subject, it constitutes the assent of allah. the term mubah is the arabic equivalent for this concept. if allah is silent on an issue, it is permitted. allah is silent on the maximum number of wives, therefore allah has no intention of limiting the number of wives, there is no limit.
allah is the lawgiver.
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It amazes me how the very people who insist on calling others liars, running from thread to thread insulting people, slandering people, are the same people calling EACH other liars.... yes
The Quran defines this behavior in human beings as a negative personality trait.....
Those who brought forward the lie are a body/gang group among yourselves / jaoo bi-ifki ausbatun minkum. think it not to be an evil to you; On the contrary it is good for you. to every man among them (will come the punishment) of the sin that he earned, and to him who took on himself the lead among them, will be a penalty grievous.
Allah challenges the True Muslim Mumin/Believer to expose these people ....
Why did not the believers - men and women - when you heard of the affair,- put the best construction on it in their own minds and say, "This is an obvious lie" ?
An-Nur 24.15] Behold, you received it on your tongues, and said out of your mouths things of which you had no knowledge; and you thought it to be a light matter, while it was most serious in the sight of Allah.
And why did you not, when you heard it, say? - "It is not right of us to speak of this. Glory to Allah! this is a most serious slander!"
These individuals claiming they can have 2,3 and 4 wives are just slandering Allah's guidance. They cannot change the Allah's words, so they resort to slandering not only the Quran but those who uphold the Quran.
Again, Sura Nisa 4.3 is NOT speaking about marrying 2,3 and 4 wives its referring to divorce. This 'pimping', 'prostituting' perception and behavior originates in the imagination, ego's and lust of Men.
The 'Sunnah' that has been in practice in regards to human social interaction has been marriage, a life long commitment to ONE individual, this has been the 'Sunnah' throughout human history and continues today.
Sunnata Allahi among those who lived aforetime. No change will you find in the sunnati Allahi.
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salam far. no.
your question betrays a lack of understanding of law. laws are prohibitions, tahrim, those things made haram.
laws are not a collection of the things allowed. to expect the law to state, this is allowed, that is allowed would result in a ridiculous situation. let me give you an example. let us say, a law states four wives are permitted, then the law states five wives are permitted, then the law states six wives are permitted, ad nauseaum. the law if written like this will result in a catastrophically huge impossible to manage writing.
do not expect to see in a law, this is allowed, that is allowed. the legal rule is "silence is assent" in other words when the quran is silent on a subject, it constitutes the assent of allah. the term mubah is the arabic equivalent for this concept. if allah is silent on an issue, it is permitted. allah is silent on the maximum number of wives, therefore allah has no intention of limiting the number of wives, there is no limit.
allah is the lawgiver.
Yes I've heard of that, is it from the Quran? Though technically, such a law system would be more thorough than anything else, no?
It amazes me how the very people who insist on calling others liars, running from thread to thread insulting people, slandering people, are the same people calling EACH other liars.... yes
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Again, Sura Nisa 4.3 is NOT speaking about marrying 2,3 and 4 wives its referring to divorce. This 'pimping', 'prostituting' perception and behavior originates in the imagination, ego's and lust of Men.
...Who are you refering to?
As for your opinion on 43... we'll have to make a vote no? Quran 4365
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As for your opinion on 43... we'll have to make a vote no? Quran 4365
hmm strange reference.....
But SECTS FROM AMONG THEMSELVES FELL INTO DISAGREEMENT. then woe to the wrong-doers, from the Penalty of a Grievous Day!
uuh Far are you sure you have the correct reference?
nevermind..no need to respond....
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salam simple. polygyny is wajib. polygyny is not fard, haram, or makruh.
I am not saying that ?fard? means obligation/obligatory as I haven?t checked all occurrances in the Quran, but according to 33/37-39, polygyny is ?fard? upon the prophets/messengers and the believers, past and present
33/37 And when you said to him to whom Allah had shown favor and to whom you had shown a favor Keep your wife to yourself and be careful of (your duty to) Allah; and you concealed in your soul what Allah would bring to light, and you feared men, and Allah had a greater right that you should fear Him. But when Zaid had accomplished his want of her, We gave her to you as a wife, so that there should be no difficulty for the believers in respect of the wives of their adopted sons, when they have accomplished their want of them; and Allah's command shall be performed.
33/38 There is no difficulty in the Prophet doing that which Allah has made "farz? for him; such has been the course of Allah with respect to those who have gone before; and the command of Allah is a decree that is made absolute
33/30 Those who deliver the messages of Allah and fear Him, and do not fear any one but Allah; and Allah is sufficient to take account
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I am not saying that ?fard? means obligation/obligatory as I haven?t checked all occurrances in the Quran, but according to 33/37-39, polygyny is ?fard? upon the prophets/messengers and the believers, past and present
33/37 And when you said to him to whom Allah had shown favor and to whom you had shown a favor Keep your wife to yourself and be careful of (your duty to) Allah; and you concealed in your soul what Allah would bring to light, and you feared men, and Allah had a greater right that you should fear Him. But when Zaid had accomplished his want of her, We gave her to you as a wife, so that there should be no difficulty for the believers in respect of the wives of their adopted sons, when they have accomplished their want of them; and Allah's command shall be performed.
33/38 There is no difficulty in the Prophet doing that which Allah has made "farz? for him; such has been the course of Allah with respect to those who have gone before; and the command of Allah is a decree that is made absolute
33/30 Those who deliver the messages of Allah and fear Him, and do not fear any one but Allah; and Allah is sufficient to take account
Is there any indication in these verses that this was not his first marriage, or whether he was already married or not?
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Is there any indication in these verses that this was not his first marriage, or whether he was already married or not?
Why, was he allowed to marry only one of his adopted son?s wives or other women for that matter? Even if it was his first time, is there any ?haraj? in doing it again?
It says ?wives of their adopted sons?. That?s plural.
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Let me know of a woman that wants man 24/7.
Of course they do. This doesn't mean they don't want any alone time. But they want their husband to be contributing to the family unit 24/7. Either earning money for her and her children, or looking after the children when she is working. Never does the wife benefit from the husband banging other women, having to split his energy and money with anther woman, reducing the inheritance of her children.
"...And the souls resort to greed..." 4/128
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There's a difference between greed and assertiveness, standing up for your own rights. A husband and wife make a promise to each other and so they have a duty to each other.
Why, was he allowed to marry only one of his adopted son?s wives or other women for that matter? Even if it was his first time, is there any ?haraj? in doing it again?
It says ?wives of their adopted sons?. That?s plural.
Yes, and "sons" is plural. Otherwise it would be "wife of their adopted sons". ?Wives of their adopted sons? no more suggests multiple wives than it does multiple husbands.
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There's a difference between greed and assertiveness, standing up for your own rights. A husband and wife make a promise to each other and so they have a duty to each other.
What is a right, and who determines what is her right, she, you, me, Govt or God ? Rather I would say, by creating hurdles, she is eating up hisGod given rights, and rights of another fellow sister (wife to be)
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Why, was he allowed to marry only one of his adopted son?s wives or other women for that matter? Even if it was his first time, is there any ?haraj? in doing it again?
No, and that's my point. Don't use this verse to argue, nor to refute polygamy. It has nothing to do with it.
It says wives of their adopted sons. Thats plural.
Which "plural" do you mean "Their", "wives", "adopted (in Arabc it's plural)" or "sons"? And what should it be, and to mean what?
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There's a difference between greed and assertiveness, standing up for your own rights.
It is a woman?s right to share the husband of another. But it is not her right to have the inheritance from the husband all to herself and her children. It?s greed. The only thing that shouldn?t reduce if the husband marries another woman is whatever was already given to the previous wives(ajar/?dowry?, or any gifts etc). 4/20
A husband and wife make a promise to each other and so they have a duty to each other.
There is nothing in the Quran forbidding the man from making the same promise with another wife if he can keep it.
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There's a difference between greed and assertiveness, standing up for your own rights. A husband and wife make a promise to each other and so they have a duty to each other.
What is a right, and who determines what is her right, she, you, me, Govt or God ? Rather I would say, by creating hurdles, she is eating up hisGod given rights, and rights of another fellow sister (wife to be)
True.
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Yes, and "sons" is plural. Otherwise it would be "wife of their adopted sons". ?Wives of their adopted sons? no more suggests multiple wives than it does multiple husbands.
No, and that's my point. Don't use this verse to argue, nor to refute polygamy. It has nothing to do with it.
Quran rules out polyandry for believers. Therefore it cannot suggest multiple husbands. It does not however rule out polygyny. ?Wives of their adopted sons? therefore suggests whether a believer has ?
one wife of one adopted son,
many wives of one adopted son,
or many wives of many adopted sons, ??there is no haraj in marrying them.
Which "plural" do you mean "Their", "wives", "adopted (in Arabc it's plural)" or "sons"? And what should it be, and to mean what?
?Wives?.
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It is a woman?s right to share the husband of another. But it is not her right to have the inheritance from the husband all to herself and her children. It?s greed.
No it isn't, it's common sense. It is abusing the rights of the children from the first wife. It's absolutely no different from a women having more than one husband. Both situations mean the children of the relationship are step brothers and step sisters you either have to share the same mother or the same father.
If they have many mothers they get less parental attention from their father, having to share him with the children of anther woman.
If they have many fathers they get less parental attention from their mother, having to share her with the children of anther man.
Maybe in the prophet's time it was difficult to identify paternity, today it isn't. Today we should wake up and realise that polygamy is bad and an abuse of the rights of children regardless of whether it is the mother or father who wants it.
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It is a woman?s right to share the husband of another. But it is not her right to have the inheritance from the husband all to herself and her children. It?s greed.
No it isn't, it's common sense.
Can you quote the verse forbidding it?
It is abusing the rights of the children from the first wife.
Can you quote the verse giving them this right?
It's absolutely no different from a women having more than one husband.
It is very different. Polygyny is allowed, polyandry is prohibited.
Both situations mean the children of the relationship are step brothers and step sisters you either have to share the same mother or the same father.
Where does the Quran prohibit sharing a father, mother or husband?
If they have many mothers they get less parental attention from their father, having to share him with the children of anther woman.
If they have many fathers they get less parental attention from their mother, having to share her with the children of anther man.
Does the Quran seem to have any problem with polygyny like it has with polyandry? Where?
Maybe in the prophet's time it was difficult to identify paternity, today it isn't. Today we should wake up and realise that polygamy is bad and an abuse of the rights of children regardless of whether it is the mother or father who wants it.
Time may be your ilah, not mine.