Number of wives?
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Peace muslims
Thanks for your explanation, but I still need to research.Actually your post reminds me with Edip Yuksel's explanation regarding word "yatama" in his Reformist Translation.
(QS 4127)
" They ask you for divine instruction concerning women. Say, "God instructs you regarding them, as has been recited for you in the book about the rights of orphans whose mothers you want to marry without giving them their legal rights. You shall observe the rights of powerless children, and your duty to treat orphans with equity. Whatever good you do, God has full knowledge of it."(Reformist Translation)
At the first I believe on him regarding this, but when I try to studied that red words, I got a problem.
In the Reformist Translation's appendix, Edip Yuksel claim if the word yatama in 4127 is male gender or masculine So thats why his translation of 4127 is different with the others. BUT.According to corpus quran the word yatama (ى is plurar.Yes this is true if yatama is plurar form of yatim.
The problem is according to me it's not a masculine instead feminime one.The proof is
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In Arabic grammar rule, the jamak salem ( regular plurar) the word must end with nun, but this word doesn't.
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If members in here understand wazan rules then by looking the shape of that word (singular) into (plurar), then the word yatama is irregular plurar (jamak takseer).
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All the irregular plurar words included in feminime word category.
So according to me the word "yatama" is feminime word.
It's my own research and may still contains some faulthy.I will appreciate if members in here can help me
Peace
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Salam Earthdom,
Sura (3350) is its Primary Rule and Sura (43) is just an Exception to the Primary Rule. It has no significance to the Primary Rule, and the main issue is not relating to an "orphan", but the word "wives" in Sura (3350); ie. a situation where marriage of "more than one" wife is made lawful only to the Prophet. You can understand from the structure of my post.
General Rule One wife - Sura (3350) (<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9597268.msg335921#msg335921">Explanation</a>
Exception Sura (43) - Allow up to 4 wives for the benefits of an orphan.
On the condition, satisfy the following test, "fear test".General Rule to Exception "..if you fear that you will not be just (to your wives)..." (43)
If fear or worry, back to the general rule in (3350), one wife!
one wife, despite for the benefits of an orphan (4129)(43).Peace brother.
"...O Prophet, indeed We have made lawful to you your wives..." (3350)
wife = one wife
wives = more than one wife
(doesn't matter if 2, 3, 4 ... 11 or 100 wives, what matter is "more than one" -
Salaam muslims
Actually my post not answering your post, so that's why I said "your post reminds me with Edip Yuksel's explanation regarding word "yatama" in his Reformist Translation.".
Btw yes it's my fault for wrote that post in this thread, because it's off topic, btw I still in step in researching your "Exception".
Peace
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Salaam muslims
Actually my post not answering your post, so that's why I said "your post reminds me with Edip Yuksel's explanation regarding word "yatama" in his Reformist Translation.".
Btw yes it's my fault for wrote that post in this thread, because it's off topic, btw I still in step in researching your "Exception".
Peace
Salam Earthdom,
Actually, the issue in my post and Edip Yuksel is different and that's what I've explained in my post. It is two separate and independent issues, the issue between "orphan" and "wives". It is about primary and subsidiary rules, i.e. legal exceptions. The Muslim world treated the "Exception" as the Primary Rule for marrying more than one wife, funny.
Peace brother.
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The general trend in Islam is for men to have at least two wives, with the option of three or four wives as well. Being monogamous is the exception, in the case of a person whom it is feared that he cannot handle and be just to more than one wife as per instructions of the Pure Quran.
We Sunni Muslims are therefore encouraged to have multiple wives in following the example of the Prophet peace be upon him who had multiple wives.
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The general trend in Islam is for men to have at least two wives, with the option of three or four wives as well. Being monogamous is the exception, in the case of a person whom it is feared that he cannot handle and be just to more than one wife as per instructions of the Pure Quran.
We Sunni Muslims are therefore encouraged to have multiple wives in following the example of the Prophet peace be upon him who had multiple wives.
Salam Israfeel,
Sorry for intruding but can you explain the meaning of "wives" and " only for you, excluding the believers" in Sura (<a href="http//quran.com/33/50">3350</a>.
Secondly, Sura (<a href="http//quran.com/6/150">6150</a> and Sura (<a href="http//quran.com/42/10">4210</a>.
Peace brother.
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Salam Israfeel,
Sorry for intruding but can you explain the meaning of "wives" and " only for you, excluding the believers" in Sura (<a href="http//quran.com/33/50">3350</a>.
Secondly, Sura (<a href="http//quran.com/6/150">6150</a> and Sura (<a href="http//quran.com/42/10">4210</a>.
Peace brother.
Why didn't you quote 3350 in its entirety...then there would not have been a need to ask the question.
O Prophet, indeed We have made lawful to you your wives to whom you have given their due compensation and those your right hand possesses from what Allah has returned to you and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who emigrated with you and a believing woman if she gives herself to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to marry her, only for you, excluding the believers. We certainly know what We have made obligatory upon them concerning their wives and those their right hands possess, in order that there will be upon you no discomfort. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.
Now if you analyze this verse, there are two clauses which I have separated. The first is in red color and the second is in green color. The part which is in red color, which coincidentally talks about polygamy, is general and is for all believing men, not just the Prophet peace be upon him. That is obvious from the fact that not only the Prophet peace be upon him, but all believing men are permitted to marry the women whom they have given dowries and the daughters of their uncles and aunts.
However, the part in green color is a clause which is restricted to the Prophet peace be upon him only
(and a believing woman if she offers herself to the Prophet, and the Prophet wishes to marry her -- a privilege for you only,) means, `also lawful for you, O Prophet, is a believing woman if she offers herself to you, to marry her without a dowery, if you wish to do so.' (tafsir Ibn Kathir)
An ordinary believing man cannot marry a woman without a dowry, he must give a dowry in order to seal the marriage. The Prophet peace be upon him was exempted from this condition.
As for the other verses, I don't see their relevance to the topic, perhaps you could explain.
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Why didn't you quote 3350 in its entirety...then there would not have been a need to ask the question.
O Prophet, indeed We have made lawful to you your wives to whom you have given their due compensation and those your right hand possesses from what Allah has returned to you and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who emigrated with you and a believing woman if she gives herself to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to marry her, only for you, excluding the believers. We certainly know what We have made obligatory upon them concerning their wives and those their right hands possess, in order that there will be upon you no discomfort. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.
Now if you analyze this verse, there are two clauses which I have separated. The first is in red color and the second is in green color. The part which is in red color, which coincidentally talks about polygamy, is general and is for all believing men, not just the Prophet peace be upon him. That is obvious from the fact that not only the Prophet peace be upon him, but all believing men are permitted to marry the women whom they have given dowries and the daughters of their uncles and aunts.
However, the part in green color is a clause which is restricted to the Prophet peace be upon him only
(and a believing woman if she offers herself to the Prophet, and the Prophet wishes to marry her -- a privilege for you only,) means, `also lawful for you, O Prophet, is a believing woman if she offers herself to you, to marry her without a dowery, if you wish to do so.' (tafsir Ibn Kathir)
An ordinary believing man cannot marry a woman without a dowry, he must give a dowry in order to seal the marriage. The Prophet peace be upon him was exempted from this condition.
As for the other verses, I don't see their relevance to the topic, perhaps you could explain.
Salam Israfeel
I have given you the link, it is easy.. just click to read the actual text.
Secondly, I am not familiar with the method you use to read the Clause.
The way I'm reading the Clause are as follows
General Rule For Marriage
O Prophet, indeed
We have made lawful<-- vs. unlawful (zina - (1732) (243))
to you your wives <-- more than one, doesn't matter 2, 3, 4, .. 11 or 100 wives..
what matter is more than one, i.e. wives (plural)(1) to whom you have given their due compensation <- refer to our situation (nikah)
(2) and those your right hand possesses from what Allah has returned to you
(3) and the daughters of your paternal uncles
(4) and the daughters of your paternal aunts
(5) and the daughters of your maternal uncles
(6) and the daughters of your maternal aunts who emigrated with you
(7) and a believing woman if she gives herself to the Prophet
if the Prophet wishes to marry heronly for you, excluding the believers. <- general rule, one wife - exception (43)
We certainly know what We have made obligatory
upon them concerning their wives
and those their right hands possess
in order that there will be upon you no discomfort
And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.
(<a href="http//quran.com/33/50">3350</a>General Rule if there is dispute among Muslim
And in anything over which you disagree
its ruling is to Allah .
, "That is Allah , my Lord
upon Him I have relied
and to Him I turn back."
(<a href="http//quran.com/42/10">4210</a>Prohibition of inconsistent Hadith
Say, , "Bring forward your witnesses
who will testify
that Allah has prohibited this."
And if they testify <- including by way of hadith
DO NOT testify with them
And DO NOT follow the desires of those who deny Our verses
and those who do not believe in the Hereafter
while they equate with their Lord.
(<a href="http//quran.com/6/150">6150</a>However, you are free to marry any number of wives as you wishes. No one is stopping you. )
Peace brother.
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Salam Israfeel
I have given you the link, it is easy.. just click to read the actual text.
Secondly, I am not familiar with the method you use to the Clause.
The way I'm reading the Clause are as follows
General Rule For Marriage
O Prophet, indeed
We have made lawful
to you your wives <-- more than one(1) to whom you have given their due compensation
(2) and those your right hand possesses from what Allah has returned to you
(3) and the daughters of your paternal uncles
(4) and the daughters of your paternal aunts
(5) and the daughters of your maternal uncles
(6) and the daughters of your maternal aunts who emigrated with you
(7) and a believing woman if she gives herself to the Prophet
if the Prophet wishes to marry heronly for you, excluding the believers. <- general rule
This is what happens when you try to interpret Pure Quran by yourself by rejecting Hadith. You end up with such stupid and absurd logic.
According to this bizarre interpretation, only the Prophet peace be upon him can marry the daughters of his maternal and paternal uncles and aunts. So that means all the cousin marriages of all Hadith rejectors are now declared null and void by your interpretation of Quran. Great job!
Not only that, but all the marriages of Hadith-rejectors which involved giving of dowry are also declared null and void by your interpretation.
Plus there are now contradictions in the Quran, because the verse about polygamy clearly says believing men can marry two three or four wives. Your weird interpretation of Quran to suit your desires has made the Pure Quran a book which is contradictory, inconsistent and makes no sense (God forbid!)
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This is what happens when you try to interpret Pure Quran by yourself by rejecting Hadith. You end up with such stupid and absurd logic.
According to this bizarre interpretation, only the Prophet peace be upon him can marry the daughters of his maternal and paternal uncles and aunts. So that means all the cousin marriages of all Hadith rejectors are now declared null and void by your interpretation of Quran. Great job!
Not only that, but all the marriages of Hadith-rejectors which involved giving of dowry are also declared null and void by your interpretation.
Plus there are now contradictions in the Quran, because the verse about polygamy clearly says believing men can marry two three or four wives. Your weird interpretation of Quran to suit your desires has made the Pure Quran a book which is contradictory, inconsistent and makes no sense (God forbid!)
Salam Israfeel,
The Qur'an is the truth.
Prohibition of inconsistent Hadith
Say, , "Bring forward your witnesses
who will testify
that Allah has prohibited this."
And if they testify <- including by way of hadith
DO NOT testify with them
And DO NOT follow the desires of those who deny Our verses
and those who do not believe in the Hereafter
while they equate with their Lord.
(<a href="http//quran.com/6/150">6150</a>and further, no one knows Allah's plan.
So leave Me and him who rejects this announcement
We will overtake them by degrees
from whence they perceive not
And I do bear with them
surely My plan is firm
(6844-45)Anything could happen, and expect the unexpected.
Peace brother.
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Salam Israfeel,
The Qur'an is the truth.
and further, no one knows Allah's plan.
So leave Me and him who rejects this announcement
We will overtake them by degrees
from whence they perceive not
And I do bear with them
surely My plan is firm
(6844-45)Anything could happen, and expect the unexpected.
Peace brother.
In other words you can't answer so you change the topic. Very good!
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In other words you can't answer so you change the topic. Very good!
Salam Israfeel,
I have already given you my complete answer. I believe, you are the one who are unable to dispute it according to the rules of the Qur'an and relying on external rules or facts to validate your "opinion". Is this Islam?
"...while they equate with their Lord..." (6150) + (404)
Peace brother.
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Salaam Israfeel,
It is in the Christian Bible that says women are lower than men.
Muslims didn't use the Qur'an to null dowry, etc.
But in 3350, only the Prophet was allowed to take multiple wives. Muslims didn't use the verse to null dowry and prohibition of marriage to some people but he just wanted to show that only the Prophet was allowed to marry women whom he wished
And in 43, men are only allowed to marry up to four women in the case of orphans. But even in the verse 43, God already states that marrying one woman is the best.
You said people who reject the hadiths just want to follow their own desires? Why don't you look at your beloved Salafi scholars who accept marital rape and honor-killing of women who are rape victims and also pedophilia?
I pray with all my heart to the Lord that He will make people like you realize how male chauvinistic you all are pr
Most of us support peace. Why do you hate peace and justice that the Lord promotes to us in the Qur'an?
Regards,
Yuliana -
But even in the verse 43, God already states that marrying one woman is the best.
Salam diamantinehoneybunch,
RED The above rule strengthens that Sura (4.3) is a legal exception, an exemption ... and the general rule is "one wife", i.e. the general rule in Sura (3350)
General Rule One wife - Sura (3350) (<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9597268.msg335921#msg335921">Explanation</a>
Exception Sura (43) - Allow up to 4 wives for the benefits of an orphan.
On the condition, satisfy the following test, "fear test".General Rule to Exception "..if you fear that you will not be just (to your wives)..." (43)
If fear or worry, back to the general rule in (3350), one wife!
one wife, despite for the benefits of an orphan (4129)(43).It is also stated in Sura (4129)
"..you will never be able to be equal between wives, even if you should strive.." (4129)
Basically it means it will never be just to marry more than one and it is against Islam, UNLESS it can bring justice to the orphan and wives (lesser). It will bring more justice if they are able to benefit the orphan and at the same time, are able to be equal between their wives. It is only in this situation Allah made it lawful to marry more than one woman.
Peace.
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Why Allah refers the institution of marriage as an act of fornication?
Why it is related to the "Mushrikeen" (refer to <a href="http//quran.com/30/31-32">3031-32</a> and forbidden to the "Believers"?
The fornicator
shall not marry any
but a fornicatress
or idolatress <- Mushrikeenand (as for) the fornicatress
none shall marry her
but a fornicator
or an idolater <- Mushrikeenand it is forbidden to the believers.
(<a href="http//quran.com/24/3">243</a>marry = fornication?
(may also include the issue of <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603425.0">whether can marry a hadither</a> - <a href="http//quran.com/6/150">6150</a> + <a href="http//quran.com/40/4">404</a> + <a href="http//quran.com/30/31-32">3031-32</a>
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Fare thee well,
I rather be a disbeliever than the religion Israfeel is advocating. Rather hypothetically burn in Hell than obeying an imaginary god who does not even stand by his own opening verse. This projected god is not God. This is not the God Arabs call Allah.
God bless you
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RED The above rule strengthens that Sura (4.3) is a legal exception, an exemption ... and the general rule is "one wife", i.e. the general rule in Sura (3350)
Peace,
3350 is not general rather an exception; note address to...
3350 O dear/you the prophet ... and daughters maternal aunts yours the ones whom migrated with you and lady believer (f/s) if she devotes self hers to the prophet if intended the prophet that he marry her exclusively to you from besides the believers hence know we what made obligatory we upon them in spouses theirs...
43 is not an exception rather general advisory ...
43 and if fear you that not do justice yeh in the orphans so marry yeh what lawful (i.e. of age, agree, etc.) for you from the gals paired/twos and three and group of four so if fear you that not do justice yeh so one (f/s) or what possess right hands/oaths/commitments (use context, those offered shelter/protection) yours such minimum that not oppress yeh
These are general commandment which also prohibit marrying two sisters; hence if not sisters OK to marry...
422 and not marry yeh whom married/had sex fathers yours from the gals except what hence passed surely it was/is immorality and abomination and an evil way 423 prohibited upon you mothers yours and daughters yours and sisters yours and father?s sisters yours and mother?s sisters yours daughters the brother and daughters the sister and mothers the ones whom nursed you and sisters yours from the nursing and mothers nisakum/gals yours and step daughters yours the ones whom in guardianship yours from nisakum/gals yours the ones whom entered you in them so if not were yeh entered you in them so not blame upon you and wives/cohabitants sons yours the ones from loins yours and that gathered yeh between the two sisters except what hence passed surely the god he is forgiver of merciful of
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Peace brother.
General Rule as to Justice in Polygamy - No Justice
And you will never be able to be equal between wives <- No Justice. It is against Islam.
even if you should strive
(<a href="http//quran.com/4/129">4129</a>General Rule - One Wife
O Prophet, indeed
We have made lawful <-- vs. unlawful (zina - (1732) (243))
to you your wives <-- more than one, doesn't matter Prophet had 2, 3, 4, .. 11 or 100 wives..
what matter is more than one, i.e. wives (plural)(1) to whom you have given their due compensation <- refer to our situation (nikah)
(2) and those your right hand possesses from what Allah has returned to you
(3) and the daughters of your paternal uncles
(4) and the daughters of your paternal aunts
(5) and the daughters of your maternal uncles
(6) and the daughters of your maternal aunts who emigrated with you
(7) and a believing woman if she gives herself to the Prophet
if the Prophet wishes to marry heronly for you, excluding the believers. <- General Rule, one wife.
We certainly know what We have made obligatory
upon them concerning their wives
and those their right hands possess
in order that there will be upon you no discomfort
And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.
(<a href="http//quran.com/33/50">3350</a>Exception
And if you fear that you will not deal justly with the orphan girls <- Condition for Exception
then marry those that please you of women <- Exception
two
or three
or four
But if you fear that you will not be just <- No Exception, even for the benefit of an orphan
then one <- Reinstatement of General Rule in Sura (3350)
or those your right hand possesses
That is more suitable that you may not incline .
(<a href="http//quran.com/4/3">43</a><a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9597268.msg336167#msg336167">Consequences, an act of fornication.</a>
Distribution of wealth of a deceased?
I believe these have been practiced for thousand of years because they rejects Allah's words, i.e. "...they equate with their Lord..." (<a href="http//quran.com/6/150">6150</a> and (<a href="http//quran.com/68/35-39">6835-39</a>.
So leave Me and him who rejects this announcement
We will overtake them by degrees
from whence they perceive not
And I do bear with them
surely My plan is firm
(<a href="http//quran.com/68/44-45">6844-45</a> -
Peace Israfeel,
The entire verse concerns only the prophet.
Not true. Allah has addressed the entire Quran to the Prophet (peace be upon him), does it mean the Quran is guidance only for the Prophet peace be upon him?
You have a very narrow and weak understanding of the Pure Quran.