Number of wives?
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Salam Israfeel,
Sorry for intruding but can you explain the meaning of "wives" and " only for you, excluding the believers" in Sura (<a href="http//quran.com/33/50">3350</a>.
Secondly, Sura (<a href="http//quran.com/6/150">6150</a> and Sura (<a href="http//quran.com/42/10">4210</a>.
Peace brother.
Why didn't you quote 3350 in its entirety...then there would not have been a need to ask the question.
O Prophet, indeed We have made lawful to you your wives to whom you have given their due compensation and those your right hand possesses from what Allah has returned to you and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who emigrated with you and a believing woman if she gives herself to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to marry her, only for you, excluding the believers. We certainly know what We have made obligatory upon them concerning their wives and those their right hands possess, in order that there will be upon you no discomfort. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.
Now if you analyze this verse, there are two clauses which I have separated. The first is in red color and the second is in green color. The part which is in red color, which coincidentally talks about polygamy, is general and is for all believing men, not just the Prophet peace be upon him. That is obvious from the fact that not only the Prophet peace be upon him, but all believing men are permitted to marry the women whom they have given dowries and the daughters of their uncles and aunts.
However, the part in green color is a clause which is restricted to the Prophet peace be upon him only
(and a believing woman if she offers herself to the Prophet, and the Prophet wishes to marry her -- a privilege for you only,) means, `also lawful for you, O Prophet, is a believing woman if she offers herself to you, to marry her without a dowery, if you wish to do so.' (tafsir Ibn Kathir)
An ordinary believing man cannot marry a woman without a dowry, he must give a dowry in order to seal the marriage. The Prophet peace be upon him was exempted from this condition.
As for the other verses, I don't see their relevance to the topic, perhaps you could explain.
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Why didn't you quote 3350 in its entirety...then there would not have been a need to ask the question.
O Prophet, indeed We have made lawful to you your wives to whom you have given their due compensation and those your right hand possesses from what Allah has returned to you and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who emigrated with you and a believing woman if she gives herself to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to marry her, only for you, excluding the believers. We certainly know what We have made obligatory upon them concerning their wives and those their right hands possess, in order that there will be upon you no discomfort. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.
Now if you analyze this verse, there are two clauses which I have separated. The first is in red color and the second is in green color. The part which is in red color, which coincidentally talks about polygamy, is general and is for all believing men, not just the Prophet peace be upon him. That is obvious from the fact that not only the Prophet peace be upon him, but all believing men are permitted to marry the women whom they have given dowries and the daughters of their uncles and aunts.
However, the part in green color is a clause which is restricted to the Prophet peace be upon him only
(and a believing woman if she offers herself to the Prophet, and the Prophet wishes to marry her -- a privilege for you only,) means, `also lawful for you, O Prophet, is a believing woman if she offers herself to you, to marry her without a dowery, if you wish to do so.' (tafsir Ibn Kathir)
An ordinary believing man cannot marry a woman without a dowry, he must give a dowry in order to seal the marriage. The Prophet peace be upon him was exempted from this condition.
As for the other verses, I don't see their relevance to the topic, perhaps you could explain.
Salam Israfeel
I have given you the link, it is easy.. just click to read the actual text.
Secondly, I am not familiar with the method you use to read the Clause.
The way I'm reading the Clause are as follows
General Rule For Marriage
O Prophet, indeed
We have made lawful<-- vs. unlawful (zina - (1732) (243))
to you your wives <-- more than one, doesn't matter 2, 3, 4, .. 11 or 100 wives..
what matter is more than one, i.e. wives (plural)(1) to whom you have given their due compensation <- refer to our situation (nikah)
(2) and those your right hand possesses from what Allah has returned to you
(3) and the daughters of your paternal uncles
(4) and the daughters of your paternal aunts
(5) and the daughters of your maternal uncles
(6) and the daughters of your maternal aunts who emigrated with you
(7) and a believing woman if she gives herself to the Prophet
if the Prophet wishes to marry heronly for you, excluding the believers. <- general rule, one wife - exception (43)
We certainly know what We have made obligatory
upon them concerning their wives
and those their right hands possess
in order that there will be upon you no discomfort
And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.
(<a href="http//quran.com/33/50">3350</a>General Rule if there is dispute among Muslim
And in anything over which you disagree
its ruling is to Allah .
, "That is Allah , my Lord
upon Him I have relied
and to Him I turn back."
(<a href="http//quran.com/42/10">4210</a>Prohibition of inconsistent Hadith
Say, , "Bring forward your witnesses
who will testify
that Allah has prohibited this."
And if they testify <- including by way of hadith
DO NOT testify with them
And DO NOT follow the desires of those who deny Our verses
and those who do not believe in the Hereafter
while they equate with their Lord.
(<a href="http//quran.com/6/150">6150</a>However, you are free to marry any number of wives as you wishes. No one is stopping you. )
Peace brother.
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Salam Israfeel
I have given you the link, it is easy.. just click to read the actual text.
Secondly, I am not familiar with the method you use to the Clause.
The way I'm reading the Clause are as follows
General Rule For Marriage
O Prophet, indeed
We have made lawful
to you your wives <-- more than one(1) to whom you have given their due compensation
(2) and those your right hand possesses from what Allah has returned to you
(3) and the daughters of your paternal uncles
(4) and the daughters of your paternal aunts
(5) and the daughters of your maternal uncles
(6) and the daughters of your maternal aunts who emigrated with you
(7) and a believing woman if she gives herself to the Prophet
if the Prophet wishes to marry heronly for you, excluding the believers. <- general rule
This is what happens when you try to interpret Pure Quran by yourself by rejecting Hadith. You end up with such stupid and absurd logic.
According to this bizarre interpretation, only the Prophet peace be upon him can marry the daughters of his maternal and paternal uncles and aunts. So that means all the cousin marriages of all Hadith rejectors are now declared null and void by your interpretation of Quran. Great job!
Not only that, but all the marriages of Hadith-rejectors which involved giving of dowry are also declared null and void by your interpretation.
Plus there are now contradictions in the Quran, because the verse about polygamy clearly says believing men can marry two three or four wives. Your weird interpretation of Quran to suit your desires has made the Pure Quran a book which is contradictory, inconsistent and makes no sense (God forbid!)
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This is what happens when you try to interpret Pure Quran by yourself by rejecting Hadith. You end up with such stupid and absurd logic.
According to this bizarre interpretation, only the Prophet peace be upon him can marry the daughters of his maternal and paternal uncles and aunts. So that means all the cousin marriages of all Hadith rejectors are now declared null and void by your interpretation of Quran. Great job!
Not only that, but all the marriages of Hadith-rejectors which involved giving of dowry are also declared null and void by your interpretation.
Plus there are now contradictions in the Quran, because the verse about polygamy clearly says believing men can marry two three or four wives. Your weird interpretation of Quran to suit your desires has made the Pure Quran a book which is contradictory, inconsistent and makes no sense (God forbid!)
Salam Israfeel,
The Qur'an is the truth.
Prohibition of inconsistent Hadith
Say, , "Bring forward your witnesses
who will testify
that Allah has prohibited this."
And if they testify <- including by way of hadith
DO NOT testify with them
And DO NOT follow the desires of those who deny Our verses
and those who do not believe in the Hereafter
while they equate with their Lord.
(<a href="http//quran.com/6/150">6150</a>and further, no one knows Allah's plan.
So leave Me and him who rejects this announcement
We will overtake them by degrees
from whence they perceive not
And I do bear with them
surely My plan is firm
(6844-45)Anything could happen, and expect the unexpected.
Peace brother.
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Salam Israfeel,
The Qur'an is the truth.
and further, no one knows Allah's plan.
So leave Me and him who rejects this announcement
We will overtake them by degrees
from whence they perceive not
And I do bear with them
surely My plan is firm
(6844-45)Anything could happen, and expect the unexpected.
Peace brother.
In other words you can't answer so you change the topic. Very good!
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In other words you can't answer so you change the topic. Very good!
Salam Israfeel,
I have already given you my complete answer. I believe, you are the one who are unable to dispute it according to the rules of the Qur'an and relying on external rules or facts to validate your "opinion". Is this Islam?
"...while they equate with their Lord..." (6150) + (404)
Peace brother.
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Salaam Israfeel,
It is in the Christian Bible that says women are lower than men.
Muslims didn't use the Qur'an to null dowry, etc.
But in 3350, only the Prophet was allowed to take multiple wives. Muslims didn't use the verse to null dowry and prohibition of marriage to some people but he just wanted to show that only the Prophet was allowed to marry women whom he wished
And in 43, men are only allowed to marry up to four women in the case of orphans. But even in the verse 43, God already states that marrying one woman is the best.
You said people who reject the hadiths just want to follow their own desires? Why don't you look at your beloved Salafi scholars who accept marital rape and honor-killing of women who are rape victims and also pedophilia?
I pray with all my heart to the Lord that He will make people like you realize how male chauvinistic you all are pr
Most of us support peace. Why do you hate peace and justice that the Lord promotes to us in the Qur'an?
Regards,
Yuliana -
But even in the verse 43, God already states that marrying one woman is the best.
Salam diamantinehoneybunch,
RED The above rule strengthens that Sura (4.3) is a legal exception, an exemption ... and the general rule is "one wife", i.e. the general rule in Sura (3350)
General Rule One wife - Sura (3350) (<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9597268.msg335921#msg335921">Explanation</a>
Exception Sura (43) - Allow up to 4 wives for the benefits of an orphan.
On the condition, satisfy the following test, "fear test".General Rule to Exception "..if you fear that you will not be just (to your wives)..." (43)
If fear or worry, back to the general rule in (3350), one wife!
one wife, despite for the benefits of an orphan (4129)(43).It is also stated in Sura (4129)
"..you will never be able to be equal between wives, even if you should strive.." (4129)
Basically it means it will never be just to marry more than one and it is against Islam, UNLESS it can bring justice to the orphan and wives (lesser). It will bring more justice if they are able to benefit the orphan and at the same time, are able to be equal between their wives. It is only in this situation Allah made it lawful to marry more than one woman.
Peace.
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Why Allah refers the institution of marriage as an act of fornication?
Why it is related to the "Mushrikeen" (refer to <a href="http//quran.com/30/31-32">3031-32</a> and forbidden to the "Believers"?
The fornicator
shall not marry any
but a fornicatress
or idolatress <- Mushrikeenand (as for) the fornicatress
none shall marry her
but a fornicator
or an idolater <- Mushrikeenand it is forbidden to the believers.
(<a href="http//quran.com/24/3">243</a>marry = fornication?
(may also include the issue of <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603425.0">whether can marry a hadither</a> - <a href="http//quran.com/6/150">6150</a> + <a href="http//quran.com/40/4">404</a> + <a href="http//quran.com/30/31-32">3031-32</a>
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Fare thee well,
I rather be a disbeliever than the religion Israfeel is advocating. Rather hypothetically burn in Hell than obeying an imaginary god who does not even stand by his own opening verse. This projected god is not God. This is not the God Arabs call Allah.
God bless you
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RED The above rule strengthens that Sura (4.3) is a legal exception, an exemption ... and the general rule is "one wife", i.e. the general rule in Sura (3350)
Peace,
3350 is not general rather an exception; note address to...
3350 O dear/you the prophet ... and daughters maternal aunts yours the ones whom migrated with you and lady believer (f/s) if she devotes self hers to the prophet if intended the prophet that he marry her exclusively to you from besides the believers hence know we what made obligatory we upon them in spouses theirs...
43 is not an exception rather general advisory ...
43 and if fear you that not do justice yeh in the orphans so marry yeh what lawful (i.e. of age, agree, etc.) for you from the gals paired/twos and three and group of four so if fear you that not do justice yeh so one (f/s) or what possess right hands/oaths/commitments (use context, those offered shelter/protection) yours such minimum that not oppress yeh
These are general commandment which also prohibit marrying two sisters; hence if not sisters OK to marry...
422 and not marry yeh whom married/had sex fathers yours from the gals except what hence passed surely it was/is immorality and abomination and an evil way 423 prohibited upon you mothers yours and daughters yours and sisters yours and father?s sisters yours and mother?s sisters yours daughters the brother and daughters the sister and mothers the ones whom nursed you and sisters yours from the nursing and mothers nisakum/gals yours and step daughters yours the ones whom in guardianship yours from nisakum/gals yours the ones whom entered you in them so if not were yeh entered you in them so not blame upon you and wives/cohabitants sons yours the ones from loins yours and that gathered yeh between the two sisters except what hence passed surely the god he is forgiver of merciful of
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Peace brother.
General Rule as to Justice in Polygamy - No Justice
And you will never be able to be equal between wives <- No Justice. It is against Islam.
even if you should strive
(<a href="http//quran.com/4/129">4129</a>General Rule - One Wife
O Prophet, indeed
We have made lawful <-- vs. unlawful (zina - (1732) (243))
to you your wives <-- more than one, doesn't matter Prophet had 2, 3, 4, .. 11 or 100 wives..
what matter is more than one, i.e. wives (plural)(1) to whom you have given their due compensation <- refer to our situation (nikah)
(2) and those your right hand possesses from what Allah has returned to you
(3) and the daughters of your paternal uncles
(4) and the daughters of your paternal aunts
(5) and the daughters of your maternal uncles
(6) and the daughters of your maternal aunts who emigrated with you
(7) and a believing woman if she gives herself to the Prophet
if the Prophet wishes to marry heronly for you, excluding the believers. <- General Rule, one wife.
We certainly know what We have made obligatory
upon them concerning their wives
and those their right hands possess
in order that there will be upon you no discomfort
And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.
(<a href="http//quran.com/33/50">3350</a>Exception
And if you fear that you will not deal justly with the orphan girls <- Condition for Exception
then marry those that please you of women <- Exception
two
or three
or four
But if you fear that you will not be just <- No Exception, even for the benefit of an orphan
then one <- Reinstatement of General Rule in Sura (3350)
or those your right hand possesses
That is more suitable that you may not incline .
(<a href="http//quran.com/4/3">43</a><a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9597268.msg336167#msg336167">Consequences, an act of fornication.</a>
Distribution of wealth of a deceased?
I believe these have been practiced for thousand of years because they rejects Allah's words, i.e. "...they equate with their Lord..." (<a href="http//quran.com/6/150">6150</a> and (<a href="http//quran.com/68/35-39">6835-39</a>.
So leave Me and him who rejects this announcement
We will overtake them by degrees
from whence they perceive not
And I do bear with them
surely My plan is firm
(<a href="http//quran.com/68/44-45">6844-45</a> -
Peace Israfeel,
The entire verse concerns only the prophet.
Not true. Allah has addressed the entire Quran to the Prophet (peace be upon him), does it mean the Quran is guidance only for the Prophet peace be upon him?
You have a very narrow and weak understanding of the Pure Quran.
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Exception
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And if you fear that you will not deal justly with the orphan girls <- Condition for Exception
then marry those that please you of women <- Exception
two
or three
or four
But if you fear that you will not be just <- No Exception, even for the benefit of an orphan
then one <- Reinstatement of General Rule in Sura (3350)
or those your right hand possesses
That is more suitable that you may not incline .
(43)Salamun alaikum,
Not exception but command. For exceptions command verbs are not used. For advice, mood of verb is jussive; for discretion mood of verb is subjunctive.
Polygamy as a Custom of having many spouses for pleasure is not allowed in the Grand Qur'aan
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The Pure Quran talks about having multiple wives (polygamy) as being normal
Permitted to you, on the night of the fasts, is the approach to your wives (2187)
But do not associate with your wives while ye are in retreat in the mosques (2187)
Your wives are as a tilth unto you (2223)
For those who take an oath for abstention from their wives, a waiting for four months is ordained (2226)
In what your wives leave, your share is a half (412)
And those who pray, "Our Lord! Grant unto us wives and offspring who will be the comfort of our eyes (2574)
**Why would Islam discourage polygamy when Muslims are taught by the Quran to pray for wives (plural)??
Allah has not made for any man two hearts in his (one) body nor has He made your wives whom ye divorce by Zihar your mothers (334)
Enter ye the Garden, ye and your wives, in (beauty and) rejoicing. (4370)
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The Pure Quran talks about having multiple wives (polygamy) as being normal
Permitted to you, on the night of the fasts, is the approach to your wives (2187)
But do not associate with your wives while ye are in retreat in the mosques (2187)
Your wives are as a tilth unto you (2223)
For those who take an oath for abstention from their wives, a waiting for four months is ordained (2226)
In what your wives leave, your share is a half (412)
And those who pray, "Our Lord! Grant unto us wives and offspring who will be the comfort of our eyes (2574)
**Why would Islam discourage polygamy when Muslims are taught by the Quran to pray for wives (plural)??
Allah has not made for any man two hearts in his (one) body nor has He made your wives whom ye divorce by Zihar your mothers (334)
Enter ye the Garden, ye and your wives, in (beauty and) rejoicing. (4370)
Erroneous way of reading texts. The pronoun for men is plural whereby the following word "wives" is plural. It denotes respective wife--respective wives if a man has married others to fulfill the obligation imposed upon him.
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Erroneous way of reading texts. The pronoun for men is plural whereby the following word "wives" is plural. It denotes respective wife--respective wives if a man has married others to fulfill the obligation imposed upon him.
Allah has not made for any man two hearts in his (one) body nor has He made your wives whom ye divorce by Zihar your mothers (334)
The word 'man' (Rajul) is singular in this Ayah. That destroys your argument.
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Allah has not made for any man two hearts in his (one) body nor has He made your wives whom ye divorce by Zihar your mothers (334)
The word 'man' (Rajul) is singular in this Ayah. That destroys your argument.
Very gooooooooood at twisting God's words to fulfil your sex-maniac desires.
The verses that you showed were not this verse.
You lost your argument against Mazhar then you bring another verse that uses singular noun to support and suit your evil sexist mysogynist unjust desires. LOL