What is the difference between "Nissa, Amraat and Azwaj"
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;D I guess shoes are in business these days, specially size 10,
How can you derive deductions of your own suiting being in knowledge of verse , 4-23, specially you samia ?
Ladies! you have biases so deep entrenched, that you would not care, even if it amounts to defying God's clear verdicts/commandments. Exactly like that, you would not care if father of your children commits adultery and hence may be doomed to Hell ultimately, you can reconcile with this, provided he does not marry her.
What a pity , what a shame? I am terribly disappointed, (
4-23...................Wa un Tajammao , bainul Akhtain,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, and do not collect two sisters at a time,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
siki
Peace Siki,
Will you please show me where is the expression ?at a time? in verse 4.23?
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Verse 4-23 does not contradict my opinion about polygamy as being restricted to a specific condition This already restricted condition is further restricted If the mother of the fatherless child (whom you are allowed to marry even if you are married) happens to be a sister of your wife, do not marry her.
If one of us has to go to hell, let the rat be the one. Why would I and the children go to hell so that he might get married again, and for no reason as stated in the verse? He should learn to control his desires. Just like the logic of covering women so that men do not "sin with their eyes". I say again, I am covering no head or hair, and if they do not learn how to cast their eyes, let them go to hell.let us assume for a while, that other woman happens to be mother of an orphan, how would it change your situation of so called being in hell?
siki
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Salaam Samia and all,
4.23 Forbidden for you are ????.. and the wives (halail) of your sons that are from your seed, ??.
( 𧠩.37 ??.. there is no wrongdoing for the believers in marrying the wives (azwaj) of their adopted sons if their relationship is ended??.
( اIn almost all the translations of the Quran the word ?halail? is translated as ?wives?. Is it correct?
Not only the wife of one?s son but the wives of all are forbidden in marriage.
So what is the difference between (halail) and (azwaj)?In verse 4.23 it says ?sons that are from your seed? ( م. So this means one can have sons who are not from his seed (adopted sons). Ad?iyaikum (ْ are adopted sons.
From the above can we understand that the expression ?abnaikum? (your sons) includes your sons from your seed and your adopted sons? -
Salaam Samia and all,
4.23 Forbidden for you are ????.. and the wives (halail) of your sons that are from your seed, ??.
( 𧠩.37 ??.. there is no wrongdoing for the believers in marrying the wives (azwaj) of their adopted sons if their relationship is ended??.
( اIn almost all the translations of the Quran the word ?halail? is translated as ?wives?. Is it correct?
Not only the wife of one?s son but the wives of all are forbidden in marriage.
So what is the difference between (halail) and (azwaj)?In verse 4.23 it says ?sons that are from your seed? ( م. So this means one can have sons who are not from his seed (adopted sons). Ad?iyaikum (ْ are adopted sons.
From the above can we understand that the expression ?abnaikum? (your sons) includes your sons from your seed and your adopted sons?I think "halail" includes wives when the marriage has not been consummated (lowest limit).
May be there's a difference between awlaad and abnaa', ab and waalid, um and waalida -
let us assume for a while, that other woman happens to be mother of an orphan, how would it change your situation of so called being in hell?
siki
Do you read my posts carefully enough?
If one of us has to go to hell, let the rat be the one. Why would I and the children go to hell so that he might get married again, and for no reason as stated in the verse? He should learn to control his desires. Just like the logic of covering women so that men do not "sin with their eyes". I say again, I am covering no head or hair, and if they do not learn how to cast their eyes, let them go to hell.
Moreover, I did not say (mother of an orphan). I said (mother of a fatherless child).
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I think "halail" includes wives when the marriage has not been consummated (lowest limit).
May be there's a difference between awlaad and abnaa', ab and waalid, um and waalidaThankyou for your quick reply
What is the singular of Halail in verse 4.23?
Is it ?Halal? or ?Haleel? or -
May be there's a difference between awlaad and abnaa', ab and waalid, um and waalida
As I can understand from verse 2.233
?Walida? is the biological mother
?Walad? is the biological child
?Mowlud lahu? or ?walid? is the biological father
?Walideyn? are the biological parents.4.23
And as I can understand from verse 4.23
?Um? is a mother (either biological or not)
?Ab? is a father (either Biological or not)
(Abnaa?) are children (either biological or adapted)If I am, correct does this mean that verse 33.40 tells us that Muhammad was not a father of either a biological or an adopted child.
33.40
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If I am, correct does this mean that verse 33.40 tells us that Muhammad was not a father of either a biological or an adopted child.
33.40
That would be a contradiction which there are none in Quran; verse above does not exclude daughters...
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Ya ayyuha alnnabiyyu qul li-azwajika wabanatika wanisa-i almu/mineena yudneena AAalayhinna min jalabeebihinna thalika adna an yuAArafna fala yu/thayna wakana Allahu ghafooran raheeman
You, you the prophet, say to your wives and your daughters and the believers' women they (F) near (lengthen) on them from their shirts/gowns/wide dresses, that (is) nearer that they be known, so they (F) do not be harmed mildly/harmed, and God was/is forgiving, merciful.
Peace
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Reason , no reason or whatever is the reason, for you the situation is same, another woman is making it a trio.
Then you do not know me nor do you know many other women. All you know are women grumbling for having another woman sharing their husbands with them. But you do not know if they are grumbling just for that or because there was no convincing reason for this husband to search for another wife. As far as I can know, I haven't come accross a truthful polygamy. Well, almost.
As I always maintained, it's not about the welfare of the adults (the couple) but about the welfare of the fatherless children.
Whether the wife is righteous enough to understand that or not is another question.I say almost because there's a real story, where I spoke to the wife and explained to her the verse from my prespective and told her that she should hold fast to her husband, where other women were telling her to divorce him. Understanding how a truthful polygamy can be more accepted than a fake one is beyond the understanding of some women, who are driven by their own selfishness, and of many men, who see that polygamy is polygamy and it's their "divine right"..
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That would be a contradiction which there are none in Quran; verse above does not exclude daughters...
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Ya ayyuha alnnabiyyu qul li-azwajika wabanatika wanisa-i almu/mineena yudneena AAalayhinna min jalabeebihinna thalika adna an yuAArafna fala yu/thayna wakana Allahu ghafooran raheeman
You, you the prophet, say to your wives and your daughters and the believers' women they (F) near (lengthen) on them from their shirts/gowns/wide dresses, that (is) nearer that they be known, so they (F) do not be harmed mildly/harmed, and God was/is forgiving, merciful.
Peace
Thank you Holiday
Salaam -
Assalaam Alaikum Bismi'lahi Ar Rahman Ar Raheem
@Samia, I could careless whether you are the moderator or Queen of All Moderators, you have a problem with admitting that you are wrong.
The truth (is) from ALLAH alone; so be not of those who doubt.
If any one disputes in this matter with you, after knowledge has come to you, say. ? come! Let us gather together,-- our sons and your sons, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves. then let us earnestly pray, and CALL THE CURSE OF ALLAH ON THOSE WHO LIE!?
This is the true account. There is no god except Allah; and Allah-He is indeed the Exalted in Power, the Wise.
Your argument now Samia is with the Quran NOT me.
Now, instead of slandering me, bring some evidence to disprove what I have presented.
If you don't....
And if they turn away - behold, Allah has full knowledge of the spreaders of corruption.
Fain tawallaw fainna Allaha AAaleemun bialmufsideena
Wow, as a more 'traditional' muslim who believes in the application of hadith along with the Quran, I could not help but be appalled by the blatant misunderstanding of very basic level Arabic nahw (grammar) on this forum. Samia is completely correct. You either misunderstood (or deliberately ignored) the grammatical iraab reference you highlighted. I would sincerely ask you what your background is in Arabic and I would be glad to direct you to free references to learn arabic. Idriboo is indeed a 2nd person masculine command verb as CORRECTLY LABELED IN THE BOOK you scanned. I have the entire 6 volume color edition. Interestingly, a bookseller explained that it was actually written by a Christian Arab (Antoine El Dahdah) but reviewed or endorsed by Tantawi. Anyway, hunna is a mafool bihi (direct object). This is not up for debate. It is fundamental grammar. The debate is only on the meaning of daraba here, not on the faa'il (doer) or object (mafool bihi). If you wish for hunna to be a faa'il, then you need to explain what kind of fi'l idriboo is and your explanation simply makes no sense.
FYI, I know how old this thread was but I saw how many pages your incorrect grammatical explanation persisted so I felt I should post. As a final note, the majority of traditional Muslims who follow the sunnah and hadith of the prophet correctly would not apply this to mean hit either, given that the beloved Prophet (SAWS) himself never hit his wives.
Inshallah, Allah gives us all guidance.
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peace,
As a final note, the majority of traditional Muslims who follow the sunnah and hadith of the prophet correctly would not apply this to mean hit either, given that the beloved Prophet (SAWS) himself never hit his wives.
I recommend http//www.quran434.com/wife-beating-islam.html
