The Quran and The Legends of the Jews
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Hi threre,
Deu 3126 Take this book of the law 'Tawrat?' , and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.
1Ki 1426 And he took away the treasures of the house of the LORD(and the Tawrat?!), and the treasures of the king's house; HE EVEN TOOK AWAY ALL and he took away all the shields of gold which Solomon had made.This means the Old Testament is not the Tawrat. We can conclude that the Tawrat was with the Ark which was stolen from the Jews. So where can we search for it? Where is the treasures of Shishak? I am smelling a new Indiana Jones movie coming up. The Quran confirms what was in the Ark. Jews call it the 'Testimony'.
Peace.
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Assalaam Alaikum
The so-called 'Ark of the Covenant' is NOT a chest or box, carried around and hidden in some undisclosed place. The 'Covenant' is another attribute of Al-Kitab called At-Tabootu which Allah has 'placed' as guidance in the hearts of the Believers.
The question that will be answered by the following ayah is 'Who is 'placing' the 'Covenant' in the heart or 'chest' of the Believer?'
And (further) their Prophet said to them. "A Sign of Allah's authority / qala lahum nabiyyuhum inna ayata mulkihi / is that there shall come to you the Ark of the covenant / yatiyakumu at-tabootu / , with (an assurance) therein of security from your Lord, and the relics left / baqiyyatun / by the family of Moses and the family of Aaron, carried / tahmiluhu by angels. In this is a symbol for you if you indeed have faith."
inna ayata mulkihi 'A Sign of Allah's authority' This statement is referring to Allah in present tense and as the 'ultimate' authority.
Say. "O Allah! Lord of Power (And Rule), You givest power to whom You pleasest / Quli allahumma malika Al-Mulki tutee Al-Mulka man tashao /
there shall come to you the Ark of the covenant / yatiyakumu at-tabootu /
yatiyakumu (imperfect = present (without sawf(a) or sa = future tense), active verb, stative, fa"il(a), transitive & intransitive, Subjunctive ) means something is coming to you that you will obey and be intimately associated with; in you, part of you
The attributes associated with the verb yatiyakumu that distinguish the verb are
yatiyakumu is an active verb, the action is directed outward FROM the subject, At-Tabootu which means that the subject At-Tabootu performs the action but does NOT receive it.
Thus no one is 'placing' anything in a chest or box, the attribute of At-Tabootu and 'action' is coming FROM At-Tabootu .
In addition yatiyakumu is a PRESENT TENSE ACTIVE VERB, its happening NOW, as long as the Quran has been in existence, so has the action of the word yatiyakumu , it has NOT stopped
I will conclude with the meaning and relevance of the attribute of Al-Kitab, At-Tabootu
To Be Continued.......
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Assalaam Alaikum
Continuing with defining and determining the relevance of At-Tabootu in Al-Baqarah 2.248
And (further) their Prophet said to them. "A Sign of his authority is that there shall come to you the Ark of the covenant / yatiyakumu at-tabootu / , with (an assurance) therein of security from your Lord, and the relics left / baqiyyatun / by the family of Moses and the family of Aaron, carried / tahmiluhu by angels. In this is a symbol for you if you indeed have faith."
We have established and confirmed
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We determined from Al-Baqarah 2.248, that it is Allah who is governing and has authority to 'place' attributes and guidance in At-Tabootu
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That the verb, yatiyakumu is an active verb, the action is directed outward FROM the subject, At-Tabootu which means that the subject At-Tabootu performs the action but does NOT receive it.
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That the verb, yatiyakumu is a PRESENT TENSE ACTIVE VERB, its happening NOW!
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Thus no one is 'placing' anything in a chest or box, the attribute of At-Tabootu and the 'action' is coming FROM At-Tabootu .
Defining the attribute of Al-Kitab At-Tabootu
Again, The so-called 'Ark of the Covenant' is NOT a chest or box, carried around and hidden in some undisclosed place.
At-Tabootu means what is contained in the chest, heart, liver various organs; the Hebrew briyth, is used in the reference as the linguistic equivalent;
See Lanes Lexicon Part 1 page 321, middle column
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At-Tabootu has a Definite Article (adataatarif) , used to give the meaning of ?Most, All, Complete, Maximum, Whole, and to denote comprehensiveness, all aspects or categories of a subject, or to denote perfection and includes all degrees and grades.
At-Tabootu is a definite noun, a noun as defined by Allah to represent an attribute of guidance, perfect and complete.
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Assalaam Alaikum
Continuing with defining and determining the relevance of At-Tabootu in Al-Baqarah 2.248
And (further) their Prophet said to them. "A Sign of his authority is that there shall come to you the Ark of the covenant / yatiyakumu at-tabootu / , with (an assurance) therein of security from your Lord, and the relics left / baqiyyatun / by the family of Moses and the family of Aaron, carried / tahmiluhu by angels. In this is a symbol for you if you indeed have faith."
Lets define the attribute relics left / baqiyyatun /
baqiyyatun / has NOTHING to do with a 'chest' left behind in some temple or buried somewhere.
baqiyyatun / Wisdom, Legacy, model of excellence, sound judgement, piety, lawful behavior; mentioned in Sura Al-Hud 11.86 & 11.116
?If you are believers then the model of behavior, wisdom and excellence of Allah / Baqiyyatu Allahi is better for you and I am not a preserver over you?.
Lets define the attribute carried / tahmiluhu
And (further) their Prophet said to them. "A Sign of his authority is that there shall come to you the Ark of the covenant / yatiyakumu at-tabootu / , with (an assurance) therein of security from your Lord, and the relics left / baqiyyatun / by the family of Moses and the family of Aaron, carried / tahmiluhu by angels. In this is a symbol for you if you indeed have faith."
tahmiluhu (Infinitive Noun) imposed and constrained to carry or bear a message
Inifintive Noun a verb form found that functions as a noun or is used with auxiliary verbs, and that names the action or state without specifying the subject. A form of the verb which merely names the action, and performs the responsibility of a verbal noun. The infinitive is often a complement used to help define or compliment another noun, in this case At-Tabootu /
The angels are carrying and taking responsibility for inspiring the message from At-Tabootu / to the Believer / Mumin, they are performing the action and attribute associated with the meaning of the verb yatiyakumu , something is coming to you that you will obey and be intimately associated with.
Yatiyakumu , is what is referred to as a Stative Verb which indicates a changing from the state of unknowing into the state of knowing.
Yatiyakumu is also Subjunctive which means the doer of the verb, in this case the Angels are making suggesstions and inspiring you with a message that brings you into a state of knowing.
Again, there is no chest or box, with stone tablets, scrolls of papers, buried underneath some temple or in a cave.
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Peace MTR,
I request that you make a new thread with your hypothesis so all of the free-mind members might be able discuss it. I have nothing to say on the subject. The verse is clear. And the Quran still contain the legends of the Jews and your hypothesis doesn't affect the topic of the thread whatsoever.
Peace,
Rami
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No, We hurl the Truth against falsehood, and it knocks out its brain, and behold, FALSEHOOD DOES PERISH! Ah! woe be to you for the (false) things you ascribe (to Us).
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No, We hurl the Truth against falsehood, and it knocks out its brain, and behold, FALSEHOOD DOES PERISH! Ah! woe be to you for the (false) things you ascribe (to Us).
What does this verse has to do with our discussion? You are talking nonsense. I want you to make a new thread and see how others will react. This won't be pretty. I have read your posts. Your bizarre conclusions are not exclusive to this thread I guess.
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What it means is that your perceptions have no basis in reality and as such when the truth is conveyed, your false perceptions, interpretations a negative characterizations are destroyed.
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What does this verse has to do with our discussion? You are talking nonsense. I want you to make a new thread and see how others will react. This won't be pretty. I have read your posts. Your bizarre conclusions are not exclusive to this thread I guess.
Its not bizarre its just taking the verses as implying a more hidden meaning than the outer meaning. There are verses like that, the problem is when you interpret all the Koran that way and refuse to accept any other interpretation.