Here I go again
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Peace Wakas and all,
What came to my mind when reading about satan's behaviour is the word "naughty". If satan acknowledges God existing but still refuse His orders then satan is like a naughty child.
Maria
Peace Maria
Would you throw your naughty child in Hillfire?
Saten and all of God's creatures, God can punish them in hillfire or forgive them;
And it is a fact that God promised to send Saten and his followers to Hillfire.Non of God's creatuers are considerd his Childeren
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the Jews and the Christians say "We are sons of Allah, and His beloved." Say "Why then doth He punish you for your sins? Nay ye are but men, of the men He hath created He forgiveth whom He pleaseth, and He punisheth whom He pleaseth and to Allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between and unto Him is the final goal (of all)." (5-1(
Christ disdaineth not to serve and worship Allah, nor do the angels, those nearest (to Allah) those who disdain His worship and are arrogant He will gather them all together unto Himself to (answer). (172)I'm not God's Child but God's Slave, who will not dare to question God's will upon myself or my familly.
Sorry, I had to post this in order to clarify that disblievers and rejectors are not God's naughty Childrens, which I believe you did not mean to say in your post.
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Peace brother
I said majorityIm in the desert of UAE
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peace. i got it.
ramon
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Peace Maria
Would you throw your naughty child in Hillfire?
Saten and all of God's creatures, God can punish them in hillfire or forgive them;
And it is a fact that God promised to send Saten and his followers to Hillfire.Non of God's creatuers are considerd his Childeren
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the Jews and the Christians say "We are sons of Allah, and His beloved." Say "Why then doth He punish you for your sins? Nay ye are but men, of the men He hath created He forgiveth whom He pleaseth, and He punisheth whom He pleaseth and to Allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between and unto Him is the final goal (of all)." (5-1(
Christ disdaineth not to serve and worship Allah, nor do the angels, those nearest (to Allah) those who disdain His worship and are arrogant He will gather them all together unto Himself to (answer). (172)I'm not God's Child but God's Slave, who will not dare to question God's will upon myself or my familly.
Sorry, I had to post this in order to clarify that disblievers and rejectors are not God's naughty Childrens, which I believe you did not mean to say in your post.
PeacePeace,
I didn't mean Satan is a child, I meant that his BEHAVIOUR is of a naughty kind and that is totally different.
Maria
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This is my opinion too, that is why I feel that I need to make a decision about this.
As for reading the Koran. Yes I read, maybe even a hundred times even. But I don't feel that I read it the correct way. I read it going through the words without understanding them. I read it quickly without letting the words sink in
salam,
there are tools to understanding quran, first tool to do shahada to god alone as in "ashahado an la ilaha ila allah wadaho la sharika laho" this is something done between you and god, it is something you can say on an dailey bases or hourly, i think it is what i say most of all in my vocabulary, it strengthens the tie between oneself and god
you have to pick up quran and du duaa "allahhuma rabbi r7amni bil quran w ja3alho li 2maman w nooran w hodan w ra7matan ya rab l3alamin allau ma thakirni miniho ma nasit w 3alamni minho ma jahilt war ziqni tilawataho ana allayl w atraf lnahar wj3alho li hijatan ya rab l3alamin".
prayer is also important as it will show god that you are willing to obey him.
and most important you MUST have trust in god, as you start reading you will not understand what you are reading and it will be frustrating, but be patient with time and as faith absorbs into your body,blood and even cells you will slowly find yourself understanding the quran, for god will only give you as much as you deserve, the more you read the more he will enlighten you with the meaning, this might take a few days or weeks and even months but the whole point of being a servant to god is to have patience for everything he brings our way
you see it does not matter what religon you come from or what country or race, its simple and clear, there are only 2 kinds of people on this earth the beleivers and the non beleivers, only god knows who they are but we also with time can tell who they are as well through there actions and intentions, and as i see your intention to know the truth is a beginning of what a true beleiver is, you might not be a beleiver yet, but you have started the road to understanding, and i commend you on that and to all who have chosen god as there lord. god bless all -
Peace Wakas and all,
What came to my mind when reading about satan's behaviour is the word "naughty". If satan acknowledges God existing but still refuse His orders then satan is like a naughty child.
Maria
peace Maria, all,
Everything in the universe, willingly or unwillingly, is in islam/surrender to God. The only difference is whether one chooses to actively acknowledge this and thus follow through with this acknowledgement, e.g. accountability, servitude etc. "satan" acknowledges the existence of God, this can clearly be seen in The Quran, but does not follow through and act in harmony with this. It is like when a part of you knows doing XYZ is wrong, but you do it anyway. When "satan" like the other controlling forces / malaika was asked to "sujud" to adam/mankind, "satan" refused, thus mankind will struggle being in conrol of "satan", and "satan" is that part of ourselves which acknowledges but refuses to "sujud" within us. It is an eternal struggle, that is why mankind and "satan" are described as enemies of one another. I like chapter 114 on this, here is my rendering
Chapter 114
Say I seek refuge with the Lord/Sustainer/Provider of people.
The Ruler/Owner/King of people,
The God of people,
From the harm/evil of the withdrawing whisperer/tempter,
Who whispers/ places temptations into the hearts of people,
From within and (from) the people.Note the first 3 verses discuss the protector, and last 3 verses discuss protection from what. The Quran ends on this balance, and in my view, showing us the two ways, then leaves the greatest battle to us the battle within.
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Peace Maria;
I know you did not mean that (I mentioned that at the end of my last post).
peacePeace Br,
Oh ok sorry.
Maria
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peace all,
Everything in the universe, willingly or unwillingly, is in islam/surrender to God. The only difference is whether one chooses to actively acknowledge this and thus follow through with this acknowledgement, e.g. accountability, servitude etc. "satan" acknowledges the existence of God, this can clearly be seen in The Quran, but does not follow through and act in harmony with this. It is like when a part of you knows doing XYZ is wrong, but you do it anyway. When "satan" like the other controlling forces / malaika was asked to "sujud" to adam/mankind, "satan" refused, thus mankind will struggle being in conrol of "satan", and "satan" is that part of ourselves which acknowledges but refuses to "sujud" within us. It is an eternal struggle, that is why mankind and "satan" are described as enemies of one another. I like chapter 114 on this, here is my rendering
Chapter 114
Say I seek refuge with the Lord/Sustainer/Provider of people.
The Ruler/Owner/King of people,
The God of people,
From the harm/evil of the withdrawing whisperer/tempter,
Who whispers/ places temptations into the hearts of people,
From within and (from) the people.Note the first 3 verses discuss the protector, and last 3 verses discuss protection from what. The Quran ends on this balance, and in my view, showing us the two ways, then leaves the greatest battle to us the battle within.
Read in conjunction with
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=12703.msg102151#msg102151I actually reflected on the story of "adam" recently, and I began to see connections with humans becoming the khalif/successor on earth (i.e. the evolutionary peak, and the transition from our previous ancestor to a human being and all that comes with it free choice, responsibility, speech, communication, power, weakness, God-awareness, revelation, beginning of the test and its rules etc). I believe this important transition phase is strongly represented in the story of "adam", or at least, this is my working hypothesis at the present time.
And
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=15870.msg159537#msg159537Cites an interesting usage of "whisper" in 5016, in which our soul "whispers/tuwaswisu" to us, the same word used for when shaytan "whispers" to us. A case for shaytan being a part of us.
The reason I bring up these posts again, and interlink them is I realised something today for the first time. The Quran ends with chapter 114, which is basically about the greatest battle within, and in the story/parable of adam in The Quran, it begins with how iblees (~ destructive/repelling force) does not sjd/acknowledge/submit to adam/mankind. In other words, the human story begins and ends on the same note, it comes full circle, ending where it began.
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Hi,
I'm really glad I found someone from Egypt here. I think since you live there you probably saw what happened to the country when it became "religous." People became mean, rude and intolerant. How can a country that has one of the oldest civilizations, and the most beautiful culture with the third movie production in the world go down like that? How can the country that has for decades been producing some of the best movies, music, literature brand all of these things as "haram." What's going on here? Why is all this happening?
I have to say one of the things that are really turning me off Islam is how people are becoming so bloody judgemental. You don't see Christians or Jews or Buddhists or in fact people of any religion behave like that. Last year I was interviewing a convert to Islam (I'm a journalist) and half way through the interview he said, "you know some people like to be middle muslims like you so that they can be accepted by the West." Now why did this guy call me a "Middle Muslim"? Because I'm not veiled. This is by the way a very small example. Muslims are becoming so bloody judgemental, always telling each other that they are not practicing the way they should. Which other religions do that? None.
Actually there are many Christian and Jewish sects which all have animosities toward each other. In fact the late Pope John Paul even oversaw a work in which he criticized and "appraised" the various Christian sects.
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I do agree brother...but God said some of them are not. Therefore, we can't generalize, can we?
peace. i find the flowers beautiful. in one of the posts you mention about you "the only desert rose (am not sure)". what/where desert are you in right now.
salams. ramon.
You know I read something interesting once in a Christian person's refutal of the Qu'ran. He was talking about how the Qu'ran is double edged in its views on Christians saying some will get into heaven, and then mentioned a negative view saying "pagans are those who believe God had a son"
First of all. Does Nasara mean Christian/Nazirite? Classical Arabic has a word with a "z" sound correct? Zechariah is referred to as Zakariyya not Sakariyya.
So the Nasara will get into heaven. Pagans on the other hand, are not Nasara.
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I've noticed that in 573 and 5116 the subject of the trinity is discussed and the people who believe in this are never mentioned (in regards to a title) however I've noticed that the word nasara is employed in 930 when discussing them to believe the Masih is God's son
commentary/thoughts?
