If for the Men there will be hooris,what will there be for women in Paradise?
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Assalaam Alaikum
Believers / Muminuun, these are 'similitudes' NOT to be taken literally. Lets use our intellect / aql that Allah,swt has blessed the Believers / Muminuun.
Allah inspires and guides the soul of the Believers / Muminuun
(To the righteous soul will be said.) "O Soul, in (complete) rest and satisfaction!
Ya ayyatuha alnnafsu almutmainnatu
Allah disdains not to use the similitude of things {Allah uses similitudes, comparisons, examples, models], lowest as well as highest. Those who believe know that it is truth from their Lord; but those who reject Faith say. "What does Allah mean by this similitude?" By it He causes many to stray, and many He leads into the right path; but He causes not to stray, except those who forsake (the path),-
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Peace all
Cannot you see Allah in those flowers hmm
o; no one can see Allah, but yes, I can see God's Power when I look to this beautiful Flowers.
Mind you, I don't blame you for having a theory.
When you quoted me, you changed the Word "hypotheses" to "hypo't say theses"; Why?
Belalhamd, that that first soul was male you are inventing it, it is not in the Quran.
Adam was created first...right? then God created another human from Adam...right? this human was called Adam's wife...right? therefore, Adam had to be the Male...right?
You only take one instance where feminine is used in connection with hoor and ignore all the others where it can be either male or female and you ignore the ayas where females and males will be rewarded equally.
Show me a well-established verse that proves that Hoor are Males.
I agree that Male and Female will be rewarded equally, and that is why I proposed my vision, which says "Male and Female will be rewarded equally", simplly because there will be One Sex and not two Sexs.
I believe that the Two Sexs we have now is for production purpose.Now, if my vision is wrong, how Female will be rewarded equally to Male? Please support your vision using well-established verses.
I hope we can all reach the truth.
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Assalaam Aalaikum
So; and We shall join them to their spouses pure & clear
Kathalika wa zawwajnahum bihoorinBy the way 'Adam' is a model for both Male and Female.....
We said. "O Adam! dwell you and your spouse / ya adamu oskun anta wa zawjuka in the Garden; and eat of the bountiful things therein as (where and when) you will; but approach not this tree, or you run into harm and transgression."
Gen 52 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
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Not sure. Any verses for both questions?
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O mankind! reverence your Guardian-Lord Who created you from a single soul, and created, of like nature, his mate and from them twain scattered (like seeds) countless men and women; fear Allah, through Whom ye demand your mutual (rights) and (reverence) the wombs (that bore you) for Allah ever watches over you.` (4-1)
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He created you (all) from a single soul, then created, of like nature, his mate; and He sent down for you eight head of cattle in pairs; He makes you, in the wombs of your mothers, in stages, one after another in three veils of darkness. Such is Allah your Lord and Cherisher, to Him belongs (all) dominion. There is no god but H, then how are ye turned away (39-6)
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Assalaam Alaikum
The patriarchal interpretation of human development is rather dated and obsolete. It stems from the same Biblical rendition that Eve/Woman was created from Adam/Man.
Nothing in the Quran suggests any patriarchal interpretation, that implies Men were developed 'first' and women came from Men, which is absurd to say the least.
Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; THEN WE DEVELOPED OUT OF IT ANOTHER CREATURE / anshanahu khalqan akhara . So blessed be Allah, the best to create!
ansha'nahu (perfect, 1st person, plural, verb form IV) We created
khalqan (noun) Creature, Creation
akhara meaning another, another of twoAnsha 'na or Nash 'ah This is the third and final phase of foetal development. Rapid cell division, differentiation (sex determination), development of sexual organs and growth leads to the formation of a definite human shape, PRIOR to Ansha 'na or Nash 'ah, the foetus has not developed any sexual organs. Yet it has taken on characteristics of a human form. Its NOT male or female in the initial stages of this phase.
Now the real question arises;
What is this 'other creation' that Allah is developing from the physical human form?
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Assalaam Alaikum
The patriarchal interpretation of human development is rather dated and obsolete. It stems from the same Biblical rendition that Eve/Woman was created from Adam/Man.
Nothing in the Quran suggests any patriarchal interpretation, that implies Men were developed 'first' and women came from Men, which is absurd to say the least.
Peace all
So, you are rejectig Adam story that were mentioned may times, and rejecting the verses that I posted in which God said that Adam's wife was created from him. Are you a Disbliever
Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; THEN WE DEVELOPED OUT OF IT ANOTHER CREATURE / anshanahu khalqan akhara . So blessed be Allah, the best to create!
Now the real question arises;
What is this 'other creation' that Allah is developing from the physical human form?
Humans when are delivered from thier mother womb are different from their first formation inside the womb.
Now are you going to missup this thread by going off topic? I think if you need to discuss your new issue, you should start another thread.
Focus in the topic if you want to help others in aswering the main question "what is the reward of Females in Jana tat equales Males" -
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O mankind! reverence your Guardian-Lord Who created you from a single soul, and created, of like nature, his mate and from them twain scattered (like seeds) countless men and women; fear Allah, through Whom ye demand your mutual (rights) and (reverence) the wombs (that bore you) for Allah ever watches over you.` (4-1)
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He created you (all) from a single soul, then created, of like nature, his mate; and He sent down for you eight head of cattle in pairs; He makes you, in the wombs of your mothers, in stages, one after another in three veils of darkness. Such is Allah your Lord and Cherisher, to Him belongs (all) dominion. There is no god but H, then how are ye turned away (39-6)
hmm... Most intriguing
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can be used for a male? I do not speak arabic, am sorry am I missing something?
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What is nafs confused
Let me answer my own question like bela do.
Nafs Nafs in man is the totality of sentiments, tendencies, desires, wishes, experiences, and our heredity characteristics; in short, it is man's personality.
What creates a difference between one man and another is Nafs rather than Rooh. It is man's Rooh which transform and evolves.
Rooh Based upon the Qur'anic verse; "They ask thee concerning the spirit (of inspiration). Say The spirit cometh by command of my Lord of Knowledge it is only a little that is communicated to you, (O men!)." (Holy Qur'an 1785) This verse teaches us that the spirit is an 'Amr' i.e. the work of Allah. In other words, it is a created thing, not self-existent. The Holy Qur'an does not go beyond telling us that. It does not tell us the nature of the spirit. However, just like our ignorance of the nature of electricity or magnetism does not prevent us from taking full advantage of these wonders of creation, we can advance ourselves spiritually by taking full advantage of the functions of the spirit.
Rooh is something which descends to man from God and we interpret it as our 'inside Prophet' namely, it is a representative from the Lord inside Insan. And this what is interpreted as 'Gabriel' in the case of the Prophet as was the Holy Spirit in Jesus (pbuh). It is the relationship of God with man that appears under various names in different Prophets. This spirit is clean and innocent and it cannot err. Rooh never appears in plural form in the Holy Qur'an (although common men have pluralized it; 'Arwah' since it is a single reality. So there is no difference between your soul and my soul, the two of them 'is' a reality like the sun which radiates its, light upon all men. While the plural of Nafs is Anfos (or Nafus). And when and entire group of people get killed we say; "Their Nafus died rather than their Arwah," since the latter, being God's manifestation, cannot be killed. Where man develops the capability, aptitude, and the worth to discover Rooh, he will be aided by the latter. And when a disease attacks and the body and Nafs loose their natural balance Rooh falls into disuse and cannot establish relationship with man.
What distinguishes one man from another is Nafs which contains our personalities. And in our opinion the part of us which is responsible in front of the Lord in the final day is the Nafs of each of us. And it is Nafs which errs not the Rooh. The body is not that important since it is in constant process of change and transformation. However, what we believe to be the essence of man was placed in the Nafs, and it is Nafs which will be interrogated in the last day.
In the Holy Qur'an and in the vernacular of our theosophists seven stages have been predicted for Nafs. Namely, from the onset of its evolutionary journey to becoming God-like, Nafs must pass through seven different stages. The seven levels (Nafs) are as follows
- Ammara (Nafs-e-Ammara / Commanding Soul) There are various verses in the Holy Qur'an relative to the existence of this kind of Nafs. This Nafs commands us to commit sin. It is lower than animals because they behave according to the demands of nature. When a lion or tiger devours another animal it is because it needs food. And once an animal is full it does not pursue another animal, while a man is capable of swallowing the whole world and still be hungry. Man can kill thousands and still long for more blood. There are lots of factual accounts which are indicative of the existence of Ammara, one of whom was the late Shah of Iran; the more he killed the thirstier he became and the more he stole the greedier he got. Saadi, the famous Iranian man-of-letters recounts the story of Mahmoud Shah Ghanzanavi who was at the threshold of dying but he would not die. Eventually he commanded that his royal jewels be mounted on mule backs so the caravan could pass in front of his eyes. Once this was done, he died comfortably. These are a few samples of men who became so degraded that they sank lower than any animal. Man tramples upon his nature and behaves relative to the demands of his desires and whims for which there is no limit. In short, Ammara is lowest of all the Nafs and Dr. Shariati has compared it to mud.
"Nor do I absolve my own self (of blame) the (human) soul is certainly prone to evil, unless my Lord do bestow His Mercy but surely my Lord is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful." (Holy Qur'an 1253)
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Lawwama (Nafs-e-Lawwama / self-accusing soul) This word is derived from 'Lom' which means to 'reproach.' At this stage Nafs reaches a point that if it commits a sin its conscience wakes up and criticizes the doer. This is the first indication that man's Nafs is wakening up and perhaps most men in the world are at this stage. When common men commit a sin they awaken and become sorry and sad. It is this self critics that forces some criminals to give themselves up (or it allows the psychologist to find them). Nay! I swear by the self-accusing soul. (Holy Qur'an 752)
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Agheleh At this stage Nafs posses the power of thinking and reflection and so, it bases its actions upon logic and thinking and does not fall prey to extremes of sentiments, rage, whims, and fleeting desires; it calculates. Not too many people reach a stage where they can ponder over the consequences of their own behavior before acting.
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Malhama (Nafs-e-Malhama / Inspiring soul) Malhama is derived from Elham (inspiration). The person who reaches this stage receives inspiration from the Lord. Namely, he is so virtuous and devout that he has developed the aptitude to accept the Lord's inspiration. God's light shines upon all, but this particular Insan at this stage is capable of absorbing the Divine's light and comprehends it.
There are beautiful definitions for Elham and Wahy (inspiration) which must be clarified at this point. Elham is from low to high, while Wahy is from high to low. Specifically, in Wahy God establishes communication with man, while in Elham Insan establishes communication with God. Of course, Elham depends upon the extent to which a personality has evolved while Wahy is not subject to such rule; it is God's command that descends to man. And since Wahy is from the Lord, it is absolute and perfect and there is no doubt in it because He wants man to receive the message in it entirely. However, this is not true about Elham which is always incomplete since it depends each man's aptitude and personality. The stronger and more perfect man is, the more perfect will be his Elham. But since men are not perfect, often times Elham appears as lightning in the sky in a dark night, so quick that man gets a chance to perceive the truths very briefly.
- Mutmainnah (Nafs-al-Mutmainnah / satisfied soul) At this stage Nafs reaches the stage of certainty; it will neither collapse nor will it retrogress. It is sure of its evolutionary cycle and its meeting with the Lord. It can commit a fault or sin but it is so ahead that it is certain it will never backslide.
"O you Tranquil Soul, return to Your Lord, well pleased, and well-pleasing unto Him! Enter you, then, among My devotees! Enter you My Heaven!" (Holy Qur'an 8927-30)
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Raziyah This is derived from satisfaction. In its evolutionary cycle Nafs reaches a degree that becomes satisfied with its own position.
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Marziyah At this stage not only Nafs is satisfied with itself but also the Lord almighty is satisfied with it too. Now Nafs is a lover of the Divine. This is the last stage in our Islamic theosophy in the Nafs cycles. There are many verses which contain various Nafs I discussed here.
What I want to mention here is that from the Qur'anic Point of View, Nafs (from Ammara to Marziyah) requires an evolutionary cycle and man must discipline himself for this evolution. We know when a Nafs has reached the Marziyah stage it will share some of the attributes of Rooh. However, I emphasize that Nafs is different from Rooh; the former has a corporeal condition while the latter is abstract. Thus, the two are not of the same essence. Further, Nafs is a kind of energy which is equivalent to matter subject to physical lava. Matter is the condensed form of energy, so the internal psychological stimulations such as actions reactions, sentiments and feelings are all forms of energies equivalent to matter. We can say that Nafs has a material tendency.
Rooh is God's behest; it is His knowledge and His power and it is conscious of the past and the future. Therefore, Nafs in its evolutionary journey becomes live Rooh and establishes communication with the Lord and becomes a part of His manifestation. At this stage we can say that Insan has become a God-like, By this I do not mean that Insan is God, rather he radiates God's manifestations. God has one thousand and one attributes such as Jamal, Kamal, Rahman, Rahim, Elm... When such attributes appear in man, he becomes God-like or His viceroy on earth. If God is wise man becomes wise and if He is powerful, his vicegerent becomes powerful also. At this stage there is constant communication between Insan's Nafs and his Rooh and anytime he wishes he can establish communication with the Lord through his Rooh, ask for advice and seek answer to his inquiries. At this level nothing will remain vague and insolvable to Insan
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Assalaam Alaikum @belalhammad
Dont be concerned about others elevating beyond your literal english interpretations. Just relax and enjoy the ride.
@belalhammad, Where does Allah mention 'Adam' as a 'Man' and having a 'wife'? Where is this reflected in the arabic grammar of the Quran.
Yes, I will address the question 'What is this 'other creation' that Allah is developing from the physical human form?"
Inquiring minds want to know.... hmm
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Peace,
Adam got created from a feminime soul and all other humans are developing into a female womb.
The genus hormones for a female is xx and for a male xy.
The reason to why God created Adam from a female soul is that everything is from the beginning female and then will end female too into paradise.
Maria
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Peace,
Adam got created from a feminime soul and all other humans are developing into a female womb.
The genus hormones for a female is xx and for a male xy.
The reason to why God created Adam from a female soul is that everything is from the beginning female and then will end female too into paradise.
Maria
rotfl now real fight is going to start between you and belal eat
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can be used for a male? I do not speak arabic, am sorry am I missing something?
Feminine or masculine words can be used to refer to many objects that are not female or male in Character. for example, 20-53 to 55
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The earth is not Male nor Female, but the word "Ard" (Earth) is a feminine word. The same with Nafs. But the fact is, as in many verses, Adam was created from Clay, which refer to the first creation of human; then God created from the first creation (Adam) its companion.
Now is the word refers to Females? of cours no; please read the following verses very carfully (espacially 37-153, 154 and 155) and tell me what do you think? I know that I will be fried for posting these &
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And they make the angels, who themselves serve Allah, Females. Did they witness their creation? Their evidence will be recorded, and they will be called to account! (43-19)(
Has then your Lord preferred for you Males and taken for Himself females among the angels? Truly ye utter a most dreadful saying! (17-40)( ( ( ( ( (
Or that We created the angels female, and they are witnesses (thereto)? (150) Is it not that they say from their own invention (151) "Allah has begotten children"? But they are liars! (152) Did He choose Females over Males? (153) What is the matter with you? How judge ye? (154) Will ye not then receive admonition? (37-155)To all females, God is Mercy, so, please be mercy when replying handshake
rotfl now real fight is going to start between you and belal eat
Yes, after posting the above verses &
Peace,
Adam got created from a feminime soul and all other humans are developing into a female womb.
The genus hormones for a female is xx and for a male xy.
The reason to why God created Adam from a female soul is that everything is from the beginning female and then will end female too into paradise.
Maria
when speaking about the unseen, you need to support using the Book of God; otherwise you will be committing a great Sin.
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Feminine or masculine words can be used to refer to many objects that are not female or male in Character. for example, 20-53 to 55
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The earth is nor Male nor Female, but the word "Ard" (Earth) is a feminine word. The same with Nafs. But the fact is, as in many verses, Adam was created from Clay, which refer to the first creation of human; then God created from the first creation (Adam) its companion.
Now is the word refers to Females? of cours no; please read the following verses very carfully (espacially 37-153, 154 and 155) and tell me what do you think? I know that I will be fried for posting these &
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And they make the angels, who themselves serve Allah, Females. Did they witness their creation? Their evidence will be recorded, and they will be called to account! (43-19)(
Has then your Lord preferred for you Males and taken for Himself females among the angels? Truly ye utter a most dreadful saying! (17-40)( ( ( ( ( (
Or that We created the angels female, and they are witnesses (thereto)? (150) Is it not that they say from their own invention (151) "Allah has begotten children"? But they are liars! (152) Did He choose Females over Males? (153) What is the matter with you? How judge ye? (154) Will ye not then receive admonition? (37-155)To all females, God is Mercy, so, please be mercy when replying handshakeYes, after posting the above verses &
Thanks for you efforts.
Yes feminine or masculine pronouns can be used for different objects but the use of a feminine pronoun for a male, in this case for Adam is interesting. Or may be you should think again that the first person created was a female, only if you are not afraid of that. Sorry for interruption, please carry on with your discussions. Peace )
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Feminine or masculine words can be used to refer to many objects that are not female or male in Character. for example, 20-53 to 55
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The earth is nor Male nor Female, but the word "Ard" (Earth) is a feminine word. The same with Nafs. But the fact is, as in many verses, Adam was created from Clay, which refer to the first creation of human; then God created from the first creation (Adam) its companion.
Now is the word refers to Females? of cours no; please read the following verses very carfully (espacially 37-153, 154 and 155) and tell me what do you think? I know that I will be fried for posting these &
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And they make the angels, who themselves serve Allah, Females. Did they witness their creation? Their evidence will be recorded, and they will be called to account! (43-19)(
Has then your Lord preferred for you Males and taken for Himself females among the angels? Truly ye utter a most dreadful saying! (17-40)( ( ( ( ( (
Or that We created the angels female, and they are witnesses (thereto)? (150) Is it not that they say from their own invention (151) "Allah has begotten children"? But they are liars! (152) Did He choose Females over Males? (153) What is the matter with you? How judge ye? (154) Will ye not then receive admonition? (37-155)To all females, God is Mercy, so, please be mercy when replying handshakeYes, after posting the above verses &
Peace Br Belalhammad,
I have read all those verses and i can agree that Allah swt not preffer females over males or males over females.
But the fact is that it is indeed the femles who give birth to both females and males.
I have read all verses that mentioned Adam in Quran and what i noticed was that most of the times his mate was also mentioned.
I also notice that order Allah creates the first humans. First a female soul and then the male human and then the female human.
Maria