Muhammad is a White Man?
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Peace,
You forgot to provide references.
There are plenty of references through books and websites showing that the original Arabs were black, but a significant certainty is even provided in the names of their countries, based on their original languages. For example, just to name a few
Kemet/Khemit Black, or black nation
Sudan Land of the Blacks
Moor (Mur) Black
Saud(ia) Black
Azania Black
Ethiopia Burnt faces
Hind, derivatvie of hindu and India BlackThese are only a few examples, and these are countries which, in today's world, characterize themseleves as Arabs. Having the description of "Arab" doesn't necessarily denote ancestry and ethnic origin. According to the Arab League, the factors that make one an Arab are "liguistics, politics and genealogy". So, basically, an Arab is anyone who considers him/herself to be an Arab, regardless of their racial makeup... Now, that gives an interesting perspective on ethnicity and Arabic culture, considering the fact that, according to a geographical consensus, over 75% of Arabs physically live in Africa. And this so-called Arabic culture is said to spread from central Africa to central Asia... So, since Arabs are mostly migrants from Africa who've migrated eastward and intermixed with the Europeans and Asians, their original ancestors were black people. There are a few interesting articles I've read that relate to this topic.
http//www.africaresource.com/rasta/2006/04/10/hamito-semitic-africa-semites-of-africa-ii/
http//alfredoftexas.tripod.com/blackhistoryfacts/id11.htmlThey even have hadiths (among Sunni Moslems) who state that anyone who speaks Arabic language is an Arab
http//www.islamtoday.com/show_detail_section.cfm?q_id=266&main_cat_id=11Another interesting link is
http//savethetruearabs.com/gpage1.htmlAlso, based on the ancient Semitic languages, the word "asmar" means dark. Very dark, or black, is "adam". Coincidentally, "Adam" is also the name of the first man, shaped from black mud... The Arabs, who were very much aware of this, took pride in their ancestry and skin complexions until the white Europeans started trying to take over. This is why, even now, instead of being renamed, the Arab countries specifying ethnicity have retained their original names referring to the blackness of their skin. A prime example of this is Morocco, a derivative of "moor", meaning black. Here's a good article on the ancient civilization of Moors and Arabs
http//africawithin.com/moors/moors_and_arabs.htmThe original Jews and Hebrews were also black people, even according to the Bible, and they are considered directly related to the Arabs
http//religiouscrossroads.tribe.net/thread/d2844545-c82d-403c-b6b9-79357df761a4
http//yeyeolade.wordpress.com/2007/07/11/black-people-are-the-original-race/
http//www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1037262.html
http//www.angelfire.com/sd/occultic/hebrew.htmlNowadays, instead of accepting their heritage, they've formed lies, speaking about black people being evil and destined for hell. They even promote this kind of nonsense in renditions of today's Bible
http//www.afrostyly.com/english/afro/diverse/curse_of_ham.htmThere are plenty of examples illustrating the fact that both Hebrews and Arabs were originally black/Nubian people, and archaeologists are finding out more information on this subject nearly everyday.
Peace,
Ahmad
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Peace,
As it concerns Caucasiod-Negroid admixture. See this video
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=MauBVhmH2j4
Most Latin Americans, Arabs, Berbers and Indians have Negroid (of some sort) admixture. Yet Eurocentric lies tries to make all of thse people white/Caucasian (we're not speaking color-wise, but ethnically). So here is proof that someone who has less than 40 percent Negroid admixture stops looking significantly Negroid and starts to look more Caucasiod (although darker hair, curlier hair and darker skin tones compared to other Caucasiods persist). This woman is for all purposes white, yet she is black only because she has Negroid admixture. And this is the same thing we find in the Arab world, Latin America, India, Persia and Southern Europe. Also Caucasoids have been mixing with Negroids since very ancient times. The ancient indian scriptures (and the phenotypes of the peoples themselves) point out this fact (I'll get some references from the scriptures). The only Caucasiod Europeans that came into the Middle East after the Quran came there as slaves or as the few Crusaders that stayed. And if the population was already Negriod, and was augmented by more Negroid imports from African Arabs wouldn't GENERALLY look as non-negroid as they do. So the mixture between Caucasiods and Negroids in the the Arab world and the middle east as a whole has been going on since before the advent of the Quran. And those Caucasiods didn't come from Europe as much as Eastern and Lower Russia (the Caucasus moutains where the name Caucasian comes from). This is why the hadeeths could claim someone as white colored (not European). And "Black" people who are nearly white as this woman above are that way because of SIGNFICANT Caucasoid ancestry. So I never said Caucasians have been ruling these areas since anceint times, but they have factored into the original Negroid populations of these areas since ancient times as immigrants and then later as conquerers. Why do I say they EVENTUALLY conqured those originally negroid populations? Because we find that during the time of the Quran and after it there is a signficant pro-caucasiod, anti-black sentiment in most of the areas in the middle east (arab and non-Arab), as well as India. Which naturally leads to the conclusion that both of these populations existed in these areas in signficant numbers. And the fact that most of the people in these areas now look like admixtures between Negroid and Caucasiod peoples shows that the groups eventuallly signficantly mixed with each other. And the anti-black sentiment that lingers today is a result of the pro-white, anti-black sentiment before Colonialism which resulted from the situation I just explained (which I dare to say had significantly died down before Colonialism had begun) and the pro-white, anti-black sentiment that Colonialism brought back in full-force (which only stuck becuz they were successful conquerors) which is the main reason why it persists in these countries today.
As it concerns the term Afro-American/African American I'll explain this later.
Godbless,
Anwar -
Saud(ia) means happy not black. Sood means black. Saud is technically sa'ud, and that ' = ayn. Sood has no ayn in it's root. Arabia is called Saudi Arabic because of the Sa'ud family having wrestled the peninsula from other Arab tribes in recent times (the 1900's).
"The current Kingdom was founded by Abdul-Aziz bin Saud, whose efforts began in 1902 when he captured the Al-Saud?s ancestral home of Riyadh, and culminated in 1932 with the proclamation, and recognition of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia though its national origins go back as far as 1744 with the establishment of the First Saudi State. The First Saudi State was established in the year 1744 (1157 A.H.) when Sheikh Muhammad ibn Abd al Wahhab settled in Diriyah and Prince Muhammad ibn Saud (of Diriyah) agreed to support and espouse Wahhab's cause, with a view of cleansing the Islamic faith from what they considered to be distortions of Islamic practice (see Wahhabism). The House of Saud and its allies rose to become the dominant state in Arabia, first subduing Nejd, then extending their influence over the eastern coast from Kuwait down to the borders of Oman. The Saudis also brought the highlands of 'Asir under their suzerainty, and their Wahhabi forces conducted raids on the frontiers of Iraq and Syria, culminating in the sacking of the Shi'a holy city of Karbala in 1801.
In 1802 Saudi forces brought the region of Hejaz under their control, capturing the two holy cities of Mecca and Medina. This was a massive blow to the prestige of the Ottoman Empire, which had exercised sovereignty over the holy cities since 1517"
Godbless,
Anwar -
Peace,
Ok, I'll explain the Afro-American thing now. Afro = of significant African extract/descent. American = native to the continents of the Americas or the United states. Or having ancestors who are from these areas.
So I'm Afro because i am of signficant African extract/descent and I'm American because i was born here, a significant amount of my ancestors (parents, grand-parents, great grandparents, great great) were born here and the culture in which I grew up is a product that is native to American soils.
Hence I am Afro-American. Get it? Malcom was taking about being an American as a political and nationalist concept, i.e. being a citizen and patriot of the United Sates.As far as the different phenoytpes of Africans, I'm going to state my conclusions from my observations. On the continent of Africa the more straight haired and/or light skinned Ethipians, light skinned/straight haired somalis, Etritreans and North Sudanese, i believe have some Caucasiod admixture. Now there are negroids who have straigter hair (like Australoids/Veddoids), However we don't find many Australiods/Veddoids native to Africa anymore, and straight haired/light skinned Africans can trace some of their ancestry to outside of Africa (barring Capoids in southern Africa, who can be light skinned but never staright haired) especially in the case of the Sudan and Southern Egypt. Take the starighter haired, lighter skinned Eritreans, Nothern Sudanese and Ethiopans (and some Somalis). Do you know who look the most like these people? Afro Americans/Afro-Latinos with signficant European ancestry to give them straighter hair, more European-like features but not enough to take them out of the category of being obviously black. And it is because of these admixtures that I have seen among fellow African Americans and Afro-Latinos and their uncanny similarity to the above mentioned African peoples (who tend to be a little lighter or who are still very dark but have straighter hair and somewhat European influenced features) that I think these people are mixed (from direct or indirect mixture) with Caucasiods. And the fact that these people were in the vicintiy of the mixture of the original Negroid inhabitants of the middle east, it makes perfect sense that this mixture bled over into the the horn of Africa and the African Red sea coast areas.
Just look at the gradient. Start from Europe and Russia and move down. As you move down the people get darker and darker, until they are some sort of of more pure Negroid. And if you move up from Subsaharan Africa and Southern Asia the people get lighter and lighter (with straighter and straighter hair) until your reach pure Caucasiod and Mongoloid populations. This trend is too obvious and too strong to deny the conclusions. And the exceptions are too few and far between to contradict them.
Godbless,
Anwar -
Peace Anwar,
Saud(ia) means happy not black. Sood means black. Saud is technically sa'ud, and that ' = ayn. Sood has no ayn in it's root. Arabia is called Saudi Arabic because of the Sa'ud family having wrestled the peninsula from other Arab tribes in recent times (the 1900's).
Yes, I already know that Saudi Arabia was based on the Sa'ud family; that's common knowledge. However, "saud", based on the original Kemetic languages, in which the Arabic language was adapted, meant "black". It was later adapted as "sud", but I'm not talking about present descriptions; I'm talking about the original languages...
Afro = of significant African extract/descent. American = native to the continents of the Americas or the United states. Or having ancestors who are from these areas.
So I'm Afro because i am of signficant African extract/descent and I'm American because i was born here, a significant amount of my ancestors (parents, grand-parents, great grandparents, great great) were born here and the culture in which I grew up is a product that is native to American soils.
Hence I am Afro-American. Get it? Malcom was taking about being an American as a political and nationalist concept, i.e. being a citizen and patriot of the United Sates.This is completely ridiculous, and this is not what Brother El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz (a.k.a. "Malcolm X" was talking about. He was speaking directly about the social class of black people in America. Regardless of the political aspect of the country, black people have a lower social class (generally) than white people. We're regarded as, in the words of the Honorable Elijah Muhammad, "FIFTH CLASS CITIZENS". America as a country is regarded as a "free country", based on the principles of democracy and diplomacy; but we don't see that anywhere in the black communities of Detroit, Chicago, New York, Mississippi, Louisiana, Georgia, or anywhere else. America has claimed to be a country based on educational and economical equality, but anyone who lives in America, especially a person of Nubian ancestry, knows this is far from the truth. America praises Abraham Lincoln for "freeing the slaves"; but in reality, slavery still exists in America, and it never ended, it just took on a new form... Yes, Minister Malcolm did believe in black nationalism; but there's nothing particularly wrong with certain forms of black nationalism, as long as they aren't used to incite hatred and violence. Brother Khalid Muhammad was a good example of a powerful spokesman for black nationalism. Yes, some of his words were harsh, and some of his ideologies may have been considered "extreme", but he relayed a message, and he made people listen to him. Because of my being victimized by America's unequal and unjust legal and moral system, I refuse to call myself an "African-American". This is an insult to my forefathers. I was born and raised in America, but that doesn't make me an "American".
Also, "Africa" is a named developed by the Greeks, who called the country "africa terra", which is translated to mean "land of dust". It is also possibly an adaptation of "aphrike", meaning "without cold"... Either way, this wasn't the name used by the actual Africans. The earliest civilizations of black people during that time consisted of the Nubians, the Kemites, and the Kushites; and since most modern history of black civilization traces "Nubia" to be the oldest and largest of the three, I prefer the term "Nubian" over being called "African" any day...
I'm seriously surprised that you'd take the words of Brother El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz out of context and say he is only referring to his not being "American" in the political and nationalist generalization. That's completely false, and you've shown yourself, indirectly, to be willing to trample your own Nubian people so that you can try to maintain their false standard of being "politically correct"... Next time, if you want to reference Malcolm X, instead of making assumptions as to what you think he was talking about, you should read or listen to his words in context. If you listened to his "The Ballot or The Bullet" speech, you'd know that he was talking about being non-American in the traditional sense of claiming allegiance to another country and government (i.e. Nubia/Africa). If you recall, this is the same action taken by Noble Drew Ali and his followers with the Moorish Science Temple when they declared their concept of black nationalism and pronounced allegiance to the government of Morocco. This was also done by Honorable Elijah Muhammad and a group of his followers when they declared their "independence" from the American government and their allegiance to the African continent and it's people and descendants. This wasn't some kind of political stunt. Malcolm X was a firm supporter of desegragation and black migration back to Africa, and so were the other leaders and members of these nationalist organization. They actually believed and stood behind their concepts and actions. To view it as anything other than that is a biased view of their struggle...
Peace,
Ahmad
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Salaam Al Khidr,
Thanks for pointing this out, brother. This is absolutely correct. Many people base their visual perceptions of black/Nubian people on the concept of having "dark skin". In reality, though, this is not the case. Plenty of black people have light skin complexions, and some of them are nearly as light as Europeans... Here's a big factor of racial intermixing
If a black man reproduces with a white woman, their child will be considered BLACK. And if this child grows up and reproduces with another white person, their child will be considered BLACK. And even then, if their child grows up to reproduce with a white person, they will still produce a BLACK CHILD. No matter how many times this is repeated, because of the weaker (recessive) genes present in the blood of white people, once a Nubian is mixed within their blood pattern, they can never produce another purely white, European child. Their children, children's children, and children's children's children will still be black, and they will still have dominant Nubian features, regardless of how light their skin complexion might be. White people know this too, they just refuse to accept it... White people generally like to play upon the significance of verbal opposites (i.e. white=pure, black=dirty; white=godly, black=demonic, etc.), and this is why their languages are the way they are today. However, if you base this same rule on the true definition of black (i.e. "originality", "strong", "dominant", what exactly is this saying about white people?
Again, this is very true. It may be painful for some to accept, but the Honorable Elijah Muhammad made the most appropriate statement regarding this, when he said, "The truth only hurts the guilty..."
Alhamdulillah, this is a profound statement, and it couldn't be put more simply and accurately. The corruption of this concept (not trying to save the black race) is illustrated by Brother Anwar's usage of the term "Afro-American". What does this mean? I'm not an African-American, or "Afro-American". The late Minister El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz (Malcolm X) spoke directly on this very profoundly in his "The Ballot or The Bullet" speech when he said
I'm not a politician, not even a student of politics; in fact, I'm not a student of much of anything. I'm not a Democrat, I'm not a Republican, and I don't even consider myself an American. If you and I were Americans, there'd be no problem.... Well, I am one who doesn't believe in deluding myself. I'm not going to sit at your table and watch you eat, with nothing on my plate, and call myself a diner. Sitting at the table doesn't make you a diner, unless you eat some of what's on that plate. Being here in America doesn't make you an American. Being born here in America doesn't make you an American. Why, if birth made you American, you wouldn't need any legislation, you wouldn't need any amendments to the Constitution, you wouldn't be faced with civil-rights filibustering in Washington, D.C., right now.... No, I'm not an American. I'm one of the 22 million black people who are the victims of Americanism. One of the 22 million black people who are the victims of democracy, nothing but disguised hypocrisy. So, I'm not standing here speaking to you as an American, or a patriot, or a flag-saluter, or a flag- waver-no, not I. I'm speaking as a victim of this American system. And I see America through the eyes of the victim. I don't see any American dream; I see an American nightmare....
In my opinion, this was, BY FAR, one of the greatest, most profound, truthful speeches ever delivered on the basis of race. Black/Nubian ancestry isn't equal in America. In fact, it's viewed as a curse. There's no truth, justice, equality, or peace between black people and white people in America. Nubians in America aren't living the same "American Dream" that is exhibited all over white, high-class society. In other words, we're not "eating off the plate". So, what makes us "Americans"? Good points, Al Khidr, regarding the message of unity, not just among Muslims but among black people as a whole. If we can successfully unify as a race, then we can eventually unify as a nation. But until there's black unity, there can't really be any unity among black people and white people...
Peace,
Ahmad
ALHAMDULILLAH BROTHER
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Peace Anwar,
Yes, I already know that Saudi Arabia was based on the Sa'ud family; that's common knowledge. However, "saud", based on the original Kemetic languages, in which the Arabic language was adapted, meant "black". It was later adapted as "sud", but I'm not talking about present descriptions; I'm talking about the original languages...
This is completely ridiculous, and this is not what Brother El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz (a.k.a. "Malcolm X" was talking about. He was speaking directly about the social class of black people in America. Regardless of the political aspect of the country, black people have a lower social class (generally) than white people. We're regarded as, in the words of the Honorable Elijah Muhammad, "FIFTH CLASS CITIZENS". America as a country is regarded as a "free country", based on the principles of democracy and diplomacy; but we don't see that anywhere in the black communities of Detroit, Chicago, New York, Mississippi, Louisiana, Georgia, or anywhere else. America has claimed to be a country based on educational and economical equality, but anyone who lives in America, especially a person of Nubian ancestry, knows this is far from the truth. America praises Abraham Lincoln for "freeing the slaves"; but in reality, slavery still exists in America, and it never ended, it just took on a new form... Yes, Minister Malcolm did believe in black nationalism; but there's nothing particularly wrong with certain forms of black nationalism, as long as they aren't used to incite hatred and violence. Brother Khalid Muhammad was a good example of a powerful spokesman for black nationalism. Yes, some of his words were harsh, and some of his ideologies may have been considered "extreme", but he relayed a message, and he made people listen to him. Because of my being victimized by America's unequal and unjust legal and moral system, I refuse to call myself an "African-American". This is an insult to my forefathers. I was born and raised in America, but that doesn't make me an "American".
Also, "Africa" is a named developed by the Greeks, who called the country "africa terra", which is translated to mean "land of dust". It is also possibly an adaptation of "aphrike", meaning "without cold"... Either way, this wasn't the name used by the actual Africans. The earliest civilizations of black people during that time consisted of the Nubians, the Kemites, and the Kushites; and since most modern history of black civilization traces "Nubia" to be the oldest and largest of the three, I prefer the term "Nubian" over being called "African" any day...
I'm seriously surprised that you'd take the words of Brother El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz out of context and say he is only referring to his not being "American" in the political and nationalist generalization. That's completely false, and you've shown yourself, indirectly, to be willing to trample your own Nubian people so that you can try to maintain their false standard of being "politically correct"... Next time, if you want to reference Malcolm X, instead of making assumptions as to what you think he was talking about, you should read or listen to his words in context. If you listened to his "The Ballot or The Bullet" speech, you'd know that he was talking about being non-American in the traditional sense of claiming allegiance to another country and government (i.e. Nubia/Africa). If you recall, this is the same action taken by Noble Drew Ali and his followers with the Moorish Science Temple when they declared their concept of black nationalism and pronounced allegiance to the government of Morocco. This was also done by Honorable Elijah Muhammad and a group of his followers when they declared their "independence" from the American government and their allegiance to the African continent and it's people and descendants. This wasn't some kind of political stunt. Malcolm X was a firm supporter of desegragation and black migration back to Africa, and so were the other leaders and members of these nationalist organization. They actually believed and stood behind their concepts and actions. To view it as anything other than that is a biased view of their struggle...
Peace,
Ahmad
As Salaamu Alaykum Ahmad Bilal
I am so glad that you got to this lost and mentally dead negro (Anwar/Progod) before I did.
"I'm seriously surprised that you'd take the words of Brother El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz out of context and say he is only referring to his not being "American" in the political and nationalist generalization. That's completely false, and you've shown yourself, indirectly, to be willing to trample your own Nubian people so that you can try to maintain their false standard of being "politically correct"... Next time, if you want to reference Malcolm X, instead of making assumptions as to what you think he was talking about, you should read or listen to his words in context."
And this is why I call him an UNCLE TOM and every time he opens up his mouth he proves my statement 10 manifolds. Because he is an UNCLE TOM and MENTALLY DEAD, he comes from branch knowledge rather than root knowledge so he is willing to accept these terms "Afro American/African American" that the white slave master have given our people which you have skillfully demonstrated. How can we be free and independent as a Nation when we are still accepting the terms and labels that the white man has given us for the name of our race! The white man is not our origin, he is not in a position to label us when we predate him; as the Qur'aan teaches us, as revealed by Allah we (Nubians ) are the original people to walk this earth
ALLAH CREATED THE ORIGINAL HUMAN RACE BLACK
http//i329.photobucket.com/albums/l363/kushitex/hamaa/Ch15v26.jpgALLAH CREATED THE FIRST HUMAN BLACK
http//i329.photobucket.com/albums/l363/kushitex/hamaa/Ch15v28hamaablack.jpgAnd since we existed before him we had names for our own race and our own country before this johnny-come-lately slave master came there and conquered and renamed not only our selves but our country and this negro (Anwar) accept these (Afro-American/African American/American) for the name of his race and this negro went to the point of distorting the message of Malcolm X, what an UNCLE TOM he is! Anwar is nothing but a black imp for the white man.
Ahmad, I 100% agree and I was so glad that you pointed this out and that is because you are coming from root knowledge unlike Anwar who is coming from branch knowledge
"The earliest civilizations of black people during that time consisted of the Nubians, the Kemites, and the Kushites; and since most modern history of black civilization traces "Nubia" to be the oldest and largest of the three, I prefer the term "Nubian" over being called "African" any day...
Below is an article from New York Times
http//i329.photobucket.com/albums/l363/kushitex/hamaa/NewYorkTimesNubia.jpg
And below is a dynamic video breaking down what you have presented about Nubia/Nubians
Egypt During The Golden Age
http//kushite.webs.com/egyptgoldenage.htm -
Salaam to you all!
I dont understand your aversion to Anwar?
Who argue on that the Nubians were mighty people?
Al Kidr,the white men were in Africa,long before they came for slaves.In european museums you will find paintings of white mans meetings with Kings and Queens,the white men on their knees in front of black people dressed in silk and gold,and with fierce soldiers.The Kingdoms like in Mali also,under Mansa Mousa,a muslim ruler around year 1345 after christ,recived white men,and traded with them.
Vikings of the scandinavians,were soldiers for rent,in Africa,and middle east.They went to make money,in the powerfull nations,and went back to Norway or Sweeden when their contracts went out.
Some scientists here,even think that they in 1948,found in Sweeden,proof that some of the vikings took Islam with them back,a grave was found,and art effects with muslim inscriptions on it,from year 800 after christ.
No body have the truth alone.Non violence,and unity,beetween human beings,is my longings.
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We're regarded as, in the words of the Honorable Elijah Muhammad, "FIFTH CLASS CITIZENS".
Who???
Is there a personal angle going on here?
Anyway, my ex-wife (at least I think she is), a decendant of nubians. Well she spent most of her life indoors, after we got married, she had to go out more often for visa and stuff. Well she turned black after a year...
Is it true that even in arab families you can have black and white children?
Then again... according to another hadith, the prophet was neither "black or white".
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