The Shahada
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Anna, please reread the Verse, and do not be a HARD HEADED; otherwise, I'm not going to answer you any more... police please focus on my Question, Is the act of saying "we bear witness that Prophet Mohamed is God's Messenger" was a common act during prophet time?
im sorry im busy laughing not time to answer rotfl group
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Peace Raj-ah,
You said regarding me
Some one even wrote that "The scriptures say that Abraham was a muslim/submitter; did he too accept Mohammed as a prophet and messenger? Moses and Aaron were also among the muslims, as was Jesus. None of them ever said, "Ash-hadu an Muhammad ar rasuwlu Allah" in their testimony" I guess Ahmed Bilal and some one else from Ahmed Bilal one can accept such sensless comments but for others who share the similar thoughts
Please try to understand what is "Shahada" and at time of Prophet Muhammad why it was necessary to bear the witness for one who enetered the religon of Allah.Are you actually buying into your own worthless words? This doesn't make any sense at all! How do you know followers had to make a testimony about Mohammed before they entered into monotheism? If Mohammed was promoting pure monotheism, worship to GOD ALONE, why would he include his own name in a testimony dedicated to God? If we are advised not to make ANY DISTINCTION among any of the prophets and messengers, why would he tell you to say, "I bear witness that MOHAMMED is THE messenger of Allah"? Is he the only one? Stop preaching your shirk.
The Quran clearly claims to be perfect, complete, and fully detailed. Do you disagree with this? And if you agree that the Quran is what it claims to be, then
WHY ISN'T YOUR SHIRK SHAHAADA INCLUDED IN THE SCRIPTURES?Peace,
Ahmad
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WHY ISN'T YOUR SHIRK SHAHAADA INCLUDED IN THE SCRIPTURES?
Peace,
Ahmad
Ahamd
Saying the Shahadda was common during the prophet timeOkay...Let us focus on one Issue At the time of Prophet Mohamed, do the new comers to Islam say, with their LIPS, "We Bear Witness That Mohamed is God's Messanger" .
631 When the hypocrites come to you they say ?We bear witness that you are the messenger of God.? And God knows that you are His messenger, and God bears witness that the hypocrites are liars.
when reading the above verse, I can say that God is talking about the Hypocrites who Say what they do not mean, and not about the act of saying " We bear witness that you are the messenger of God.?
rotfl No one can identify the Hypocrites except Allah. He is the only one who knows what is in our Heart; In other words, God knows if our intention matches what we SAY and DO.You do not need to throw the word of Shrik against someone who is supporting his claim with Quran. Shirk is when you say about God's religion what is not written in The Book.
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Which is the greatest testimony?
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Which is the greatest testimony?
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The Messenger believeth in what hath been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith. Each one believeth in Allah, His angels, His books, and His Messengers "We make no distinction between one and another of His Messengers." And they say "We hear and we obey; Thy forgiveness, Our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys." (2-285)
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The Messenger believeth in what hath been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith. Each one believeth in Allah, His angels, His books, and His Messengers "We make no distinction between one and another of His Messengers." And they say "We hear and we obey; Thy forgiveness, Our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys." (2-285)
Im wit that but I dont think its the greatest testimony.
peace
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isma3 belH, shahada lillah faqat, lay allah sub7anahu wata3al yshahad innon monafiqeen, la2inno shahado 3ala mohamad liyabno fitna. ma kan fi shahada la mo7amad 7ata 3a ayamo, ma fi, wiilyoum lfitna ba3da lsunna yaqoolo itha l2insan ma shahada bi mohamad la takfi w deeno laysa kamil , kayfa lshahada bil llah la takfi kayf ya albi ya belH..... qool howa allah a7ada allahu lsamad lam yalid wlam youlad WALAM YAKOON LA7O KUFOOWAN A7AD.
sub7an allah, inna lillah w inna ilayhi raji3oon
the reason they added mohamad the monafiqeen only to pull people away from god alone -
isma3 belH, shahada lillah faqat, lay allah sub7anahu wata3al yshahad innon monafiqeen, la2inno shahado 3ala mohamad liyabno fitna. ma kan fi shahada la mo7amad 7ata 3a ayamo, ma fi, wiilyoum lfitna ba3da lsunna yaqoolo itha l2insan ma shahada bi mohamad la takfi w deeno laysa kamil , kayfa lshahada bil llah la takfi kayf ya albi ya belH..... qool howa allah a7ada allahu lsamad lam yalid wlam youlad WALAM YAKOON LA7O KUFOOWAN A7AD.
sub7an allah, inna lillah w inna ilayhi raji3oon
the reason they added mohamad the monafiqeen only to pull people away from god aloneAnna, forget about the Shahada Today, and focus on the time of Prophet ( >)
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Anna, please reread the Verse, and do not be a HARD HEADED; otherwise, I'm not going to answer you any more... police please focus on my Question, Is the act of saying "we bear witness that Prophet Mohamed is God's Messenger" was a common act during prophet time?
no it was not......and i explained to you why, and i will teil you again incase you didnt understand my arabic writing, the reason god did shahada that the monafiqeen are liars is because they were trying to do fitna they wanted people to add mohamad so as people would pull away from the idea of god alone, but no true beleivers of the time of mohamad ever did shahada because god made it very clear in the quran, shahada belongs to him alone, and considering the quran came down on them first, they werent about to go against gods word.....we as sunna or at least myself we used to beleive that the shahada is to become a muslim but you forget that we also do it when we pray and i hear more sunna people today say allahu ma salli 3a mohamad more then they say wahdo allah, and the truth is when someone tells me salli 3ala lnabi i reply wahdu allah..............i hope i answered your question
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63 1. When the hypocrites come to you, they say We bear witness that you are most surely Allah's Messenger; and Allah knows that you are most surely His Messenger, and Allah bears witness that the hypocrites are surely liars.
I have been struggling with the Red part, why does God say that HE knows that YOU are his messenger? why doesn't HE bears witness? Whereas HE does testify against hypocrites.
I have started a new thread in questions on quran section regarding this issue because i dont want to hijack the existing important discussion, kindly post your ideas there.
peace
siki
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I chose it because it has every thing believers should endorse to complete their submission. But maybe you have something else in mind; share it Brother.
I think to bear witness that there is no god but God is the greatest testimony of all.
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no it was not......and i explained to you why, and i will teil you again incase you didnt understand my arabic writing, the reason god did shahada that the monafiqeen are liars is because they were trying to do fitna they wanted people to add mohamad so as people would pull away from the idea of god alone,
Free-Minds Translation
In the name of God, the Almighty, the Merciful.
631 When the hypocrites come to you they say ?We bear witness that you are the messenger of God.? And God knows that you are His messenger, and God bears witness that the hypocrites are liars.
632 They have chosen their oath as a deceit, thus they repel from the path of God. Miserable indeed is what they do.
633 That is because they believed, then disbelieved. Hence, their hearts are sealed; they do not understand.
634 And when you see them, you are impressed by their physical stature; and when they speak, you listen to their eloquence. They are like blocks of wood propped-up. They think that every call is intended for them. These are the enemies, so beware of them. May God condemn them; they have deviated.
635 And if they are told ?Come and let the messenger of God ask for your forgiveness,? they turn aside their heads, and you see them walking away in pride.When reading the above, please note in 63-2, the word "Their Oath"; What was the Oath they Took in 63-1?
Moreover, 63-3, please note "They believed...then disbelieved"; What was their first act that implied their Believing? is it the first act of 63-1, the Shahada?
Finally, would you call 63-5 act of asking the prophet to ask God for their forgiveness is "SHIRIK"? -
I think to bear witness that there is no god but God is the greatest testimony of all.
Peace
You are right; but Saten Testifies that there is no God but God, why God still Condemns him ?
Because, He did not Obey God. Thus, Saying there is no God but God without obeying Him will not save us. But 2-285 is what will save us, which has every thing we need to do. -
I think to bear witness that there is no god but God is the greatest testimony of all.
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The Messenger believeth in what hath been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith. Each one believeth in Allah, His angels, His books, and His Messengers "We make no distinction between one and another of His Messengers." And they say "We hear and we obey; Thy forgiveness, Our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys." (2-285)
I would add to the above, this command from God
2136 "Say we believe in God and in what was sent down to us and what was sent down to Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the Patriarchs, and what was given to Moses and Jesus, and what was given to the prophets from their Lord; we do not make any distinction between any of them and to Him we submit.?
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Peace Hope,
The discussion is not about declaration of faith/trust/imaan but testifying/witnessing/shahada according to al-quran.
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Peace Hope,
The discussion is not about declaration of faith/trust/imaan but testifying/witnessing/shahada according to al-quran.
Peace Truthseeker11
Yes, i understand )
But i used this verse , to clarify what god has ORDERED us to SAY, he didnt order us to SAY shahada.
This is my humble understainding so far.
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Peace Hope,
Testifying/witnessing that there is no god but God is only for God Himself, the controllers, and those with knowledge
318 God bears witness that there is no god but He, as do the controllers, and those with knowledge, He is standing with justice. There is no god but Him, the Noble, the Wise.
All others are excluded even from bearing witness that there is no god but God!