The Shahada

Raj-ah

Dear brother wayfinder

Peace Ra-Jah
Quote
631 of the Quran tells us
When the hypocrites come unto thee, they say We bear witness that thou art indeed Allah's messenger. And Allah knoweth that thou art indeed His messenger, and Allah beareth witness that the hypocrites indeed are speaking falsely.

Then can you explain to me the RED part?? Why does Allah says this?? We already know He is 3aliimoul Hakeem... He knows everything... Then why that part in that same verse??

This is very clear from context of this Ayat and the Surah, Munafeqeen came to prophet and tried to convince him that we are Muslims now and in Allah we believed before and now we also believe in you as a messenger of Allah, therefore Allah is warning the messenger not to fall in the trap of hypocrites as they are not true Muslims by heart, they are just saying this by tongue, and they donot love You (Muhammad) as Allah has commanded in the Quran and they have jelousy towards you (Muhammad).
Because the usage of word "indeed" makes it further clear that before we did not said it but now we do.

way finder

Are we int the time of the Prophet? The Prophet is no more...

While we are at it.... why don't we bear witness that Musa,Isa,Suleymaan etc are messengers of Allah?? Why not?

Regards

Because with those prophets their teachings ended, not with the case of Muhammad, this is the last scriptures send by Allah for guidance of humankind, which cannot be corrupted, pure and Final, and Unluckily for many it was revealed un to Muhammad. Muhammad was declared messenger for all man kind, off course Allah knew that he cannot reach each and every person on the earth and has a limited life, but even then he was told in Quran to be messenger for all the worlds.
As long Quran is there Prophet is there, as long the words of Quran are alive the Prophet is alive.
Moreover for your information No one actually dies, it is mutation that takes place from one Aalam to the other, and if Shaheed can listen and eat then why cannot a Prophet. Physically every one has to die that is the system made by Allah. Offcourse they are not allowed to interfere with this world after physical death. In that case even Allah has made some systems and Allah also doesnot interfere.

Narated By 'Umar I heard the Prophet saying, "Do not exaggerate in praising me as the Christians praised the son of Mary, for I am only a Slave. So, call me the Slave of Allah and His Apostle."

So making it short friend, if i or any one donot consider Muhammad Equal to Allah, we are not commiting shirk, this very clear, so those who keep on babbling (not wayfinder) this should repent.

Muhammad is Rasul of Allah and Servant of Allah. I give this Shahada.

belH

Peace all
Beside 63-1 to 6 that proves the practice of saying "Ashado ink La Rssol Allah" during prophet time, the following is another well-established Verse

386
386 How can God guide a people who have rejected after believing, and they witnessed that the messenger is true, and the clarity had come to them? God does not guide the wicked people.

All the Believers are ORDERED to Testify with The Truth. One of the Truth in the Book, is Mohamed is a Messenger of God. If you want to conceal your Testimony, then do, but never ask others to do.

Who is more wicked than one who conceals a testimony with him from God? God is not unaware of what you do.(2-140)

4386 And those whom they call on beside Him do not possess any intercession; except those who bear witness to the truth, and they fully know.

Now, according to God, and not Rashad Kalifa, You are Free to Testify with any thing from the Book You can Testify that Moses Spoke To God; you can Testify that Jesus has No Father; and Abraham was Kalial (had a unique relationship with) Allah. If any one ask you to conceal your Testimony and you followed his advice, then you are making him an equal partner to God--a god.

Follow your choice, and always remember, God is the one who can porhibet and not Rashad Kalifa. God Knows every one intention when we say any thing, and if your intention is to idolize any Prophet, then God will know that.

Now.... I bear witness that God is protecting the Quran and not Code 19. I bear witness that 9-128 and 129 are God's Words.
jedi

belH

To All from a Lover of Muhammad (PBUH)

Peace all
Rai-ah...if I have love for any one, it is For ALLAH. And all Prophet are equal in my sight; I do not favor one over the Other (Prophet Mohamed Taught me that in Quran).

To Behl,
You agree that Allah has blessed some messengers over others and exalted some to higher rank. I hope so.

Yes, as I said before.

Dear, please take this example
There is a school and it has classes ranging from grade 1 to grade 10, there are 10 teachers 1 for each class, pupils have to respect all the teachers equally because they all are teachers, BUT these teachers differ in their qualifications some are assigned for 1st graders and some for 10th grade.

If you read the Quran in detail you will come to know that Muhammad was the seal on prophets, and the Final book which is for all Humanity was revealed un to him. You will also come to know that Muhammad is for ALL the Worlds.

But that is for Allah to rank them, and not for you or me; God never said that Prophet Mohamed is above any prophet; but I know that Prophet Mohamed was ordered to Follow Abraham Footsteps of believing and submitting;
I want you to know that I follow Allah Guidance that Prophet Mohamed taught us, the Quran.

Peace

belH

That is because the 5 prescribed salaat is in the Qur'aan and Tawhiyd has annhilated your 3 Salaat Theory from the roots on up....

http//www.freewebs.com/tawhiyd/3salaattheoryexposed.htm

According to wakas the majority under Progress Moslems believe that there is only 2 salaat and not 3 so who is right under this sect? But nevertheless both theories are refuted and holds no weight in Al Qur'aan.

So, why you did not answer to my analysis (http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9597472.msg186518#msg18651 which showed that you are wrong, according to Quran?

Al_Khidr

So, why you did not answer to my analysis (http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9597472.msg186518#msg18651 which showed that you are wrong, according to Quran?

BelH

You have asked why I have not responded. For one, I am not avoiding and you fail to realize this, I have debated this subject inside this forum among the Progressive Moslem sect or should I say internet cult and refuted everything they came up with. This debate can be examined below and the on Tawhiyd website; your 3 or 2 or 1 or 4 Salaat Theory have been destroyed a long time ago so for me its like beating a dead horse to go back and thoroughly engage again on this subject with you. Mr Deen also opened up another link to address this subject and I didn?t? engage in that either for the same reasons I?m conveying to you here. I only presented the links for those who have not been exposed to the counter arguments to the 3 Salaat Theory. All the points that you have raised have been refuted by the Tawhiyd website as well as my debate in this forum and the rest of the links below

Tawhiyd
http//www.freewebs.com/tawhiyd/3salaattheoryexposed.htm

This is where I debated the 3 Salaat Theory in Free-Minds Forum
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=12200.0

Wakas got intellectually defeated by a Sunni Muslim whose name is hlatif on the 3 Salaat Theory
http//www.freewebs.com/tawhiyd/wakaszeehlatifdebate.htm

Below is another link I want to add which refutes your arguments when I addressed tanvweer
http//www.freewebs.com/suprememathematics/grabbingforstraws.htm

Now I will make some quick comments about a point you raised even though they already been addressed and refuted in all the links up above.

I see that you are fixed with the thought that a prayer has to be mentioned by name. However, mentioning a period to pray is just as efficient. Allah does not always have to mention something by name to refer to it and there are tons of examples of this in the Qur?aan.

BelH you have said

?Qur?aan 1778 was translator in the article as follow
You shall observe the Salaat when the sun declines from its highest point at noon, as it moves towards sunset. You shall also observe (the recitation of) the Qur?aan at dawn. (Reciting) the Qur?aan at dawn is witnessed.

The red part is added by the translated and is not written in Quran; thus, if you remove them, the verse is calling for Sunset prayer.
Moreover, 30-18 has no mentioning to establish prayer.?

Now examine the Arabic break down of this verse

http//i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd277/sayf22/Ch17v78Arabicbreakdown.jpg

Now when the Qur?aan 1778 says Liduluuki Ash-Shamsi literally means when the sun declines and we broke this down our websites and definitely visit this link to get a concise break down of this verse along with your statements that you made regarding Qur?aan 3018 and Qur?aan 2238

http//www.freewebs.com/suprememathematics/grabbingforstraws.htm

Science proves that the sun starts to decline once it reaches its highest point so the translation is accurate. The sun starts to decline once it reaches its highest point. Liduluuki Ash-Shamsi is a period of time to observe salaat and this period is no doubt the noon period. The understanding of this very basic and elementary phrase Liduluuki Ash-Shamsi makes it clear as daylight. Then this verse continues by saying illa (till) ghasaq (sunset) and Al layl (night). This verse makes it crystal clear that the ranges or periods of salaat (worship) are from when the sun declines (which is noon) all the way to ghasaq (sunset) and al layl (night). In conclusion Qur?aan 1778 is referring to the ranges or periods for Salaat (Zuhr, Asr, Maghrib, Isha).

There are clearly 5 Salaat periods

(1) The Dawn Prayer (Fajr) given in 11114, 2458
(2) The Noon Prayer (Zuhr), given in 1778 and 3018
(3) The Afternoon Prayer (Asr), given in 2238
(4) The sunset Prayer (Maghrib), given in 11114
(5) The Night Prayer (Isha), given in 2458

So I?m done, you have our links refuting the 3 Salaat Theory and you have the conflicting links from the Progressive Moslem sect addressing all their 1, 2, 3, 4, Salaat Theory so what ever choice you make is between you and Allah.

Salaam

Al Khidr

belH

Science proves that the sun starts to decline once it reaches its highest point so the translation is accurate. The sun starts to decline once it reaches its highest point. Liduluuki Ash-Shamsi is a period of time to observe salaat and this period is no doubt the noon period. The understanding of this very basic and elementary phrase Liduluuki Ash-Shamsi makes it clear as daylight.

Peace all
Al Khider; you have answered to one point I raised and ignored the others. But feel free to answer in the appropriate thread. For now, you are claiming that we shall establish prayer from Noon till Dawn; in other words, Believers should abandon their work in order to fulfill this commandment; if this is the truth, why God said the following

In the name of God, the Almighty, the Merciful.
731 O you who are covered with your garments.
732 Stand the night except for a little.
733 Half of it, or a little less than that.
734 Or a little more, and arrange the Qur?an in its arrangement.
735 We will place upon you a saying which is heavy.
736 The time of the night is more effective and better for study.
737 For you have many duties during the day.

Thus, for the verses, in Chapter 73 and 17-78 and the other well-established verse, to agree with each others, we have to translate "Dlook Elshams" as Sun Set and not Noon.

Now answer to the other points I raised in my Prayers analysis

Moreover, please note the following verse
Qur?aan 2458
O you who believe, permission must be requested by your servants and the children who have not attained puberty. This is to be done in three instances-before the Dawn Prayer, at noon when you change your clothes to rest, and after the Night Prayer. These are three private times for you. At other times, it is not wrong for you or them to mingle with one another. Allah thus clarifies the revelations for you. Allah is Omniscient, Most Wise.

Now, please note the red colored words and the blue ones. If there is a prayer during noon, why God did not mention (in blue word section) as He did when speaking about the Dawn and night (red colored section)?

May God lead us to the truth.
Peace

Al_Khidr

belH

Like i said I'm done with the subject on Salaat, now back to the original subject of this post which is SHAHAADA. It looks like you are trying to evade this subject hiding behind your false "3 Salaat Theory" which got ripped up a long time ago.

Now belH we have went this far on this post and you still have not produced just ONE verse in the Qur'aan that says your shirk/Sunni Shahaada

I bear witness that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah

WHY HAVEN'T YOU PRODUCED JUST ONE VERSE YET, THATS THE REAL QUESTION?

This is where this guy gets his Shahaada from

http//www.iiu.edu.my/deed/hadith/bukhari/002_sbt.html

Volume 1, Book 2, Number 7

Narrated Ibn 'Umar

Allah's Apostle said Islam is based on (the following) five (principles)

To testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and Muhammad is Allah's Apostle.
To offer the (compulsory congregational) prayers dutifully and perfectly.
To pay Zakat (i.e. obligatory charity) .
To perform Hajj. (i.e. Pilgrimage to Mecca)
To observe fast during the month of Ramadan.

Anybody can go to that link to see how Bukhari places Muhammad's name in the original Shahaada and this is where belH evidently gets it from since he can't quote one verse in the Qur'aan that bears this man-made innovation that he believes in.

http//i329.photobucket.com/albums/l363/kushitex/hadiyth/Ch45verse6.jpg

http//i329.photobucket.com/albums/l363/kushitex/hadiyth/Ch31verse6.jpg

belH

Now belH we have went this far on this post and you still have not produced just ONE verse in the Qur'aan that says your shirk/Sunni Shahaada

I bear witness that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah

WHY HAVEN'T YOU PRODUCED JUST ONE VERSE YET, THATS THE REAL QUESTION?

Here you go