Evidence: Torah & Ark of The Covenant has no relevance to Al-Tawrat & At-Tabootu

Muslimtruthrevealed

@Rami, you have no 'Torah'...it was destroyed as 'written' documents and various other 'physical' material is destroyed during conquests.

1Ki 1425 And it came to pass in the fifth year (917) of king Rehoboam, Shishak king of Egypt came up against Jerusalem

1Ki 1426 And he took away the treasures of the house of the LORD, and the treasures of the king's house; he even took away all and he took away all the shields of gold which Solomon had made.

@Rami, Secondly, What was 'taught' to the people of Israel to 'recite' were the 'Sura' (Hebrew shiyr/ /shuwr Arabic Root Sura) that were 'REVEALED' from Allah to Mose's

Deu 3119 Now therefore write ye this song/sura (Hebrew shiyr/ /shuwr Arabic Root Sura) for you, and teach it the children of Israel put it in their mouths, that this song/sura (Hebrew shiyr/ /shuwr Arabic Root Sura) may be a witness for me against the children of Israel.

The 'Torah' that Mose's 'wrote' and 'delivered' to the priests and elders was replaced and supplanted with Allah's revelation and 'Sura's.

Thus what Mose's 'wrote' and what was 'REVEALED' to Mose's from Allah are TWO distinct references

Is 'written' Books and papers which is Torah
Is revelation from Allah which is Tawrat
The revelation of Allah is ALWAYS referred to as Sura's
References to 'verses' in the 'Torah' are NEVER referred to as 'Sura's or even in Hebrew as shiyr/ /shuwr NEVER!

Sura's are used for prayer and praise!

Psalms 428 the LORD will command his loving kindness in the daytime, and in the night his song/sura (Hebrew shiyr/ /shuwr Arabic Root Sura) with me, my prayer unto the God of my life.

Believers RECITE from the song/sura (Hebrew shiyr/ /shuwr Arabic Root Sura) when performing salat / prayer

Sura Al-Baqarah 2.113 is identifying those Jews & Christians who are seeking, reciting, referring and referencing Al-Kitab, the root word of Yatloona is Tala which means ?to follow?, walk behind, imitate, pursue, Tilawatan means ?to read, recite, rehearse, declare, meditate

Question, why do you believe you can change the ENGLISH TRANSLATION and suddenly it means 'Torah'?

Explain that please

Muslimtruthrevealed

Lets address your question 'Where is the Tawrat?", which leads us to the discussion of the 'Ark of The Covenant'.

Deu 3126 Take this book of the law / towrah / Tawrat, and put it / suwm in the side of / tsad the ark / 'arown of the covenant / briyth of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.

put it / suwm means to set, ordain, establish, found, appoint, constitute, make, determine, fix
ark / 'arown means chest, as in human being's 'chest' which contains the heart
covenant / briyth means covenant, alliance, pledge between God and man

Psalms 407 Then said I, Lo, I come in the volume of the book / cepher written in me / kathab (Qalpassive),

Psalms 408 I delight to do thy will, O my God yea, thy law / towrah / Tawrat within / tavek my heart / me`ah .

tavek means to be in the middle (i.e. heart is in the middle of the chest), in something, between TWO objects or entities (i.e. Tawrat & the Heart)

me`ah means the breast, the Heart, place of emotions or distress or love

The Tawrat is in the heart of the Believer/Mumin, witnessed and confirmed as a covenant between Allah and the Believer/Mumin

Quranic Confirmation

And (further) their Prophet said to them. "A Sign of his authority is that there shall come to you the 'Ark of the covenant' / yatiyakumu at-tabootu / , with (an assurance) therein of security from your Lord, and the relics left by the family of Moses and the family of Aaron, carried by angels. In this is a symbol for you if you indeed have faith."

yatiyakumu means something is coming to you that you will obey and be intimately associated with; in you, part of you

at-tabootu means what is contained in the chest, heart, liver various organs; the Hebrew briyth, is used in the reference as the linguistic equivalent; See Lanes Lexicon Part 1 page 321, middle column

And how can they govern you? And At-Tawrat / The Law is near them / , in it is hukum / government of Allah. Then after that they turn away and they are not with the believers.

AAinda-humu is a preposition which means AT or NEAR Them

Its clear from both the language and grammar associated with the Biblical text and the Quranic text, that the Tawrat is 'revelation' inspired upon the 'heart' of the Believer / Mumin, its that simple.

Now If you know of some obscure 'heart' surgery that can place books of papers or 'stone tablets' in the chest cavity of humans, and stamp them with the Hebrew word 'Torah' please give us that reference.

Muslimtruthrevealed

Assalaam Alaikum

Now that the 'entertainment' is over lets continue with the formation of the 'Torah' (NOT to be confused with the Tawrat from Quran) focusing on the 'Ark of the Covenant', what the Quran refers to as At-Tabootu

We have established.....

Exodus 1249?..One law / towrah shall be to him that is native / 'ezrach (to Israel), and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

The Torah is ONLY relevant to those Jews in Israel. 'ezrach means to 'come from the soil, to be born in that land'

We have established.....

That the Torah which Moses 'wrote' and 'delivered' (between 1200 -1500 BCE) was 'destroyed' in 917 BCE during the reign of Rehoboam....

Deu 319 And Moses wrote this law, and delivered it unto the priests the sons of Levi, which bearers/protectors/responsible the ark of the covenant of the LORD, and unto all the elders of Israel.

Then years later......

1Ki 1425 And it came to pass in the fifth year (917) of king Rehoboam, Shishak king of Egypt came up against Jerusalem

1Ki 1426 And he took away the treasures of the house of the LORD, and the treasures of the king's house; HE EVEN TOOK AWAY ALL and he took away all the shields of gold which Solomon had made.

The 'Torah' , the words 'written' and delivered to the people of Israel, priests and elders does NOT exist!

Now focusing on what Allah now has revealed to Moses NOT what Moses has written and distributed....

We have established that there is a CONTRADICTION between Moses 'prophecy' for the Israel and Allah's 'prophecy' for Israel....

Moses stated " he will destroy these nations from before thee, and thou shalt possess them"

Allah stated " Then my anger shall be kindled against them in that day, and I will forsake them , and I will hide my face from them , and THEY SHALL BE DEVOURED, and many evils and troubles shall befall them "

In the following, Allah and Moses are now making the distinction between the 'written' 'Torah' and Allah's 'Tawrat'

The writer uses the Hebrew word is ?shiyr?, pronounced like ?sheer? means to proclaim something to someone, speak or celebrate someone/something as if it were a song/melodic.

Its Hebrew root is /shuwr pronounced like the word ?sure-(a), related to the Arabic Root Sura

No Hebrew or Semetic words relating to ?shiyr? or 'shuwr' (Arabic 'Sura&#039 was used to describe what Moses 'wrote' in Deuteronomy 319.

?shiyr? or 'shuwr' (Arabic 'Sura&#039 is referenced ONLY after Allah has instructed Moses and the People of Israel to teach and recite the 'sura's

Deu 3119 Now therefore write ye this song/sura (Hebrew shiyr/ /shuwr Arabic Root Sura) for you, and teach it the children of Israel put it in their mouths, that this song/sura (Hebrew shiyr/ /shuwr Arabic Root Sura) may be a witness for me against the children of Israel.

Biblical Confirmation

Psalms 428 the LORD will command his loving kindness in the daytime, and in the night his song/sura (Hebrew shiyr/ /shuwr Arabic Root Sura) with me, my prayer unto the God of my life.

Believers RECITE from the song/sura (Hebrew shiyr/ /shuwr Arabic Root Sura) when performing salat / prayer

Thus Deuteronomy 31 is clearly showing a distinction between what is 'written' and what is 'revealed' the Hebrew Term

song/sura (Hebrew shiyr/ /shuwr Arabic Root Sura) is ONLY used in context with Al-Kitab, Quran, Furqan, Injeel and Tawrat NOT in reference to ANY context relating to a 'written' document termed 'Torah', that has since been destroyed.

I will address the following...to shed some light upon the 'Ark of the Covenant' from the Quran

Deu 3126 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.

And (further) their Prophet said to them. "A Sign of his authority is that there shall come to you the Ark of the covenant (Biblical influence), with (an assurance) therein of security from your Lord, and the relics left by the family of Moses and the family of Aaron, carried by angels. In this is a symbol for you if you indeed have faith."

To Be Continued....

Rami

Peace MTR,

Thanks for the switch. Hope you have your bullet proof vest on. D

Peace,

Rami

Muslimtruthrevealed

Assalaam Alaikum

The so-called 'Ark of the Covenant' is NOT a chest or box, carried around and hidden in some undisclosed place. The 'Covenant' is another attribute of Al-Kitab called At-Tabootu which Allah has 'placed' as guidance in the hearts of the Believers.

The question that will be answered by the following ayah is 'Who is 'placing' the 'Covenant' in the heart or 'chest' of the Believer?'

And (further) their Prophet said to them. "A Sign of Allah's authority / qala lahum nabiyyuhum inna ayata mulkihi / is that there shall come to you the Ark of the covenant / yatiyakumu at-tabootu / , with (an assurance) therein of security from your Lord, and the relics left / baqiyyatun / by the family of Moses and the family of Aaron, carried / tahmiluhu by angels. In this is a symbol for you if you indeed have faith."

there shall come to you the Ark of the covenant / yatiyakumu at-tabootu /

yatiyakumu (imperfect = present (without sawf(a) or sa = future tense), active verb, stative, fa"il(a), transitive & intransitive, Subjunctive ) means something is coming to you that you will obey and be intimately associated with; in you, part of you

The attributes associated with the verb yatiyakumu that distinguish the verb are

yatiyakumu is an active verb, the action is directed outward FROM the subject, At-Tabootu which means that the subject At-Tabootu performs the action but does NOT receive it.

Thus no one is 'placing' anything in a chest or box, the attribute of At-Tabootu and 'action' is coming FROM At-Tabootu .

In addition yatiyakumu is a PRESENT TENSE ACTIVE VERB, its happening NOW, as long as the Quran has been in existence, so has the action of the word yatiyakumu , it has NOT stopped

I will conclude with the meaning and relevance of the attribute of Al-Kitab, At-Tabootu

To Be Continued.......

Muslimtruthrevealed

Peace MTR,

Thanks for the switch. Hope you have your bullet proof vest on. D

Peace,

Rami

The Quran is bullet proof, bomb proof, fire proof, tamper proof, whatever 'proof' you need the Quran has it!

You don't have a clue as to what your dealing with when you engage me.

Now, Just have your pen and pencil ready. Continue to take notes. Get your popcorn and enjoy the lesson.

Muslimtruthrevealed

Assalaam Alaikum

Continuing with defining and determining the relevance of At-Tabootu in Al-Baqarah 2.248

And (further) their Prophet said to them. "A Sign of his authority is that there shall come to you the Ark of the covenant / yatiyakumu at-tabootu / , with (an assurance) therein of security from your Lord, and the relics left / baqiyyatun / by the family of Moses and the family of Aaron, carried / tahmiluhu by angels. In this is a symbol for you if you indeed have faith."

We have established and confirmed

We determined from Al-Baqarah 2.248, that it is Allah who is governing and has authority to 'place' attributes and guidance in At-Tabootu
That the verb, yatiyakumu is an active verb, the action is directed outward FROM the subject, At-Tabootu which means that the subject At-Tabootu performs the action but does NOT receive it.
That the verb, yatiyakumu is a PRESENT TENSE ACTIVE VERB, its happening NOW!
Thus no one is 'placing' anything in a chest or box, the attribute of At-Tabootu and the 'action' is coming FROM At-Tabootu .

Defining the attribute of Al-Kitab At-Tabootu

Again, The so-called 'Ark of the Covenant' is NOT a chest or box, carried around and hidden in some undisclosed place.

At-Tabootu means what is contained in the chest, heart, liver various organs; the Hebrew briyth, is used in the reference as the linguistic equivalent;

See Lanes Lexicon Part 1 page 321, middle column

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At-Tabootu has a Definite Article (adataatarif) , used to give the meaning of ?Most, All, Complete, Maximum, Whole, and to denote comprehensiveness, all aspects or categories of a subject, or to denote perfection and includes all degrees and grades.

At-Tabootu is a definite noun, a noun as defined by Allah to represent an attribute of guidance, perfect and complete.

Muslimtruthrevealed

Assalaam Alaikum

Continuing with defining and determining the relevance of At-Tabootu in Al-Baqarah 2.248

And (further) their Prophet said to them. "A Sign of his authority is that there shall come to you the Ark of the covenant / yatiyakumu at-tabootu / , with (an assurance) therein of security from your Lord, and the relics left / baqiyyatun / by the family of Moses and the family of Aaron, carried / tahmiluhu by angels. In this is a symbol for you if you indeed have faith."

Lets define the attribute relics left / baqiyyatun /

baqiyyatun / has NOTHING to do with a 'chest' left behind in some temple or buried somewhere.

baqiyyatun / Wisdom, Legacy, model of excellence, sound judgement, piety, lawful behavior; mentioned in Sura Al-Hud 11.86 & 11.116

?If you are believers then the model of behavior, wisdom and excellence of Allah / Baqiyyatu Allahi is better for you and I am not a preserver over you?.

Lets define the attribute carried / tahmiluhu

And (further) their Prophet said to them. "A Sign of his authority is that there shall come to you the Ark of the covenant / yatiyakumu at-tabootu / , with (an assurance) therein of security from your Lord, and the relics left / baqiyyatun / by the family of Moses and the family of Aaron, carried / tahmiluhu by angels. In this is a symbol for you if you indeed have faith."

tahmiluhu (Infinitive Noun) imposed and constrained to carry or bear a message

Inifintive Noun a verb form found that functions as a noun or is used with auxiliary verbs, and that names the action or state without specifying the subject. A form of the verb which merely names the action, and performs the responsibility of a verbal noun. The infinitive is often a complement used to help define or compliment another noun, in this case At-Tabootu /

The angels are carrying and taking responsibility for inspiring the message from At-Tabootu / to the Believer / Mumin, they are performing the action and attribute associated with the meaning of the verb yatiyakumu , something is coming to you that you will obey and be intimately associated with.

Yatiyakumu , is what is referred to as a Stative Verb which indicates a changing from the state of unknowing into the state of knowing.

Yatiyakumu is also Subjunctive which means the doer of the verb, in this case the Angels are making suggesstions and inspiring you with a message that brings you into a state of knowing.

Again, there is no chest or box, with stone tablets, scrolls of papers, buried underneath some temple or in a cave.

Rami

Yeah thats the spirit! Bring it on! Popcorn ready!

Rami

Peace MTR,

No body is repsonding and I just want to ask a question. What do you make of thise verse?

"That she should cast him in the basket, and cast the basket in the sea, so the sea will place him on the shore, where an enemy of Mine and his will take him. And I placed upon you a love from Me and that you shall be raised under My eye."

How do you fit your definition of taboot to this verse?

Peace

Rami

Bigmo

The Koran was talking about the Talmud, thats how I read the verses

Some people have said that the Koran says that the Torah and Gospel are corrupted and its no longer a book of guidance. They say Muslims say so. Some Muslims even have said that anyone who still follows these scriptures is no longer a believer but a disbeliever and will go to hell. However when asked to provide their evidence from the Koran they are mute and confused. This is because what they say and the Koran are complete opposites. Lets look at the Koran and what it say

Let the People of the Gospel judge by what God hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what God hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel. (Surah 5, Maida, verse 47)

But why do they come to thee for decision, when they have (their own) Law before them?- Therein is the (plain) command of God; yet even after that, they would turn away. For they are not (really) people of faith. (Surah 5, Maida, verse 43)

Then is it only a part of the Book that ye believe in, and do ye reject the rest? But what is the reward for those among you who behave like this but disgrace in this life? - And on the Day of Judgment they shall be consigned to the most grievous penalty. For God is not unmindful of what ye do. (Surah 2, Baqara, verse 85)

Say "O People of the Book! Ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye stand fast by the Law, the Gospel and all the revelation that has come to you from your Lord...." (Surah 5, Al Ma'idah, verse 6

If only they had stood fast by the Law, the Gospel, and all the revelation that was sent to them from their Lord, they would have enjoyed happiness from every side. There is from among them a party on the right course But many of them follow a course that is evil. (Surah 5, Maida, verse 69)

Of the people of Moses there is a section who guide and do justice in the light of truth. (Surah 7, A'raf, verse 159)

2.41 And believe in what I reveal, confirming the revelation which is with you, and be not the first to reject Faith therein, nor sell My Signs for a small price; and fear Me, and Me alone.

2.89 And when there comes to them a Book from God, confirming what is with them,- although from of old they had prayed for victory against those without Faith,- when there comes to them that which they (should) have recognized, they refuse to believe in it but the curse of Allah is on those without Faith.

2.91 When it is said to them, ?Believe in what God Hath sent down, ?they say, ?We believe in what was sent down to us? yet they reject all besides, even if it be Truth confirming what is with them. Say ?Why then have ye slain the prophets of Allah in times gone by, if ye did indeed believe??

Here the Koran clearly states the Koran confirms what is with them, meaning the Jews and Christians. Clearly this is not stating scriptures ofthe past but what they have possession of. As I did my research about this subject some time ago I was looking for where this evidence of the tampering and corruption is mentioned. How can God say the previous scriptures are corupted then order them to follow them. It even attacks those who refuse to follow it and says its a confimation of the scriptures they have with them.

Whats more the Koran seems to indicate its a confirmation of the previous scriptures.

To thee We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety so judge between them by what God hath revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging from the Truth that hath come to thee. To each among you have we prescribed a law and an open way. If God had so willed, He would have made you a single people, but (His plan is) to test you in what He hath given you so strive as in a race in all virtues. The goal of you all is to God; it is He that will show you the truth of the matters in which ye dispute; Surah 5 Verse 48 It even uses the previous scripture as evidence for the validity of the Koran

And if thou (Muhammad) art in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto thee, then question those who read the Scripture (that) was before thee... (Surah 10, Jonah, verse 94)

Muslims who follow Sunni/Shia Islam say these verses are concerning the originals. But these scriptures have not changed since the days of the prophet. In fact they are the way are today long before the prophet. So what scriptures was the Koran talking about. They then point to this verse as evidence.

2.79 Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say"This is from God," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby.
This is then used to support the tampering of the scriptures. However upon close examination, I see they failed to look at the verse before it and after it.

2.78 And there are among them illiterates, who know not the Book, but (see therein their own) desires, and they do nothing but conjecture.
So the Koran is saying those poeple were making things up but never said the Book itself has been tampered since those people never knew the book. It was confusing at first but then the next verse explained it

2.80 And they say "The Fire shall not touch us but for a few numbered days" Say "Have ye taken a promise from God, for He never breaks His promise? or is it that ye say of God what ye do not know?"

This is not in the Torah but its refering to the Talmud. The supposed "oral" traditions the Rabbis say was passed down to them.

The Rabbinic tradition arose from the Pharisaic tradition after the destruction of the Second Temple in AD 70. In general, it moved away from traditional Judaism's emphasis on an earthly future for Israel toward the concept of reward in the life to come. Gehinom (Gehenna), according to rabbinic literature, is a place or state where the wicked are temporarily punished after death. ?Gehenna? is sometimes translated as "hell", but the Christian view of hell differs from the Jewish view of Gehenna. Most sinners are said to suffer in Gehenna no longer than twelve months.Those who are too wicked to reach paradise are sometimes said to be punished forever. Other accounts reject the idea that a merciful God would punish anyone forever, in which case those too wicked for purification are destroyed (see annihilationism)
Gehenna - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Also in the Talmud
Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a gentile ("Cuthean&quot the wages owed him for work.

Koran says
3.75. Among the People of the Book are some who, if entrusted with a hoard of gold, will (readily) pay it back; others, who, if entrusted with a single silver coin, will not repay it unless thou constantly stoodest demanding, because, they say, "there is no call on us (to keep faith) with these ignorant (Pagans)." but they tell a lie against God, and (well) they know it.

Sanhedrin 106a . Says Jesus' mother was a whore "She who was the descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters." Also in footnote #2 to Shabbath 104b of the Soncino edition, it is stated that in the "uncensored" text of the Talmud it is written that Jesus mother, "Miriam the hairdresser," had sex with many men.

4.156 Quran
That they rejected Faith; that they uttered against Mary a grave false charge;

The famous warning of Jesus Christ about the tradition of men that voids Scripture (Mark 71-13), is in fact, a direct reference to the Talmud, or more specifically, the forerunner of the first part of it, the Mishnah, which existed in oral form during Christ's lifetime, before being committed to writing. Mark chapter 7, from verse one through thirteen, represents Our Lord's pointed condemnation of the Mishnah.
Also

The Schindler's List Quote

The Talmud (i.e., the Babylonian Talmud) text of Sanhedrin 37a restricts the duty to save life to saving only Jewish lives.
The book on Hebrew censorship, written by Jews themselves (Hesronot Ha-shas), notes that some Talmud texts use the universalist phrase
"Whoever destroys the life of a single human being...it is as if he had destroyed an entire world; and whoever preserves the life of a single human being ...it is as if he had preserved an entire world."
However, Hesronot Ha-shas points out that these are not the authentic words of the original Talmud.

In other words, the preceding universalist rendering is not the authentic text of the Talmud and thus, for example, this universalist version which Steven Spielberg in his famous movie, Schindler's List attributed to the Talmud (and which became the motto of the movie on posters and in advertisements), is a hoax and constitutes propaganda intended to give a humanistic gloss to a Talmud which is, in its essence, racist and chauvinist hate literature.

In the authentic, original Talmud text it states that "whoever preserves a single soul of Israel, it is as if he had preserved an entire world" (emphasis supplied). The authentic Talmud text sanctions only the saving of Jewish lives.

The Koran tells us about this and condemns this
5.32 On that account We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land

"According to the Talmud, Jesus was executed by a proper rabbinical court for idolatry, inciting other Jews to idolatry, and contempt of rabbinical authority. All classical Jewish sources which mention his execution are quite happy to take responsibility for it; in the talmudic account the Romans are not even mentioned.

"The more popular accounts--which were nevertheless taken quite seriously--such as the notorious Toldot Yeshu are even worse, for in addition to the above crimes they accuse him of witchcraft. The very name 'Jesus' was for Jews a symbol of all that is abominable and this popular tradition still persists...

The koran tells us
4.157. That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of God.;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not-

The Talmud then say
Rosh Hashanah 17a. Christians (minnim) and others who reject the Talmud will go to hell and be punished there for all generations.
Sanhedrin 90a. Those who read the New Testament ("uncanonical books&quot will have no portion in the world to come.
Shabbath 116a. Jews must destroy the books of the Christians, i.e. the New Testament.

The koran responds by
And they say "None shall enter Paradise unless he be a Jew or a Christian." Those are their (vain) desires. Say "Produce your proof if ye are truthful."Nay,-whoever submits His whole self to God and is a doer of good,- He will get his reward with his Lord; on such shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. The Jews say "The Christians have naught (to stand) upon; and the Christians say "The Jews have naught (To stand) upon." Yet they study the (same) Book. Like unto their word is what those say who know not; but God will judge between them in their quarrel on the Day of Judgment. 2.111-113

?Non-Jewish property belongs to the Jew who uses it first? - (Babba Bathra 54b)
?If two Jews have deceived a Non-Jew, they have to split the profit? - (Choschen Ham 183,7)
?Every Jew is allowed to use lies and perjury to bring a Non-Jew to ruin? - (Babha Kama 113a)
?The Jew is allowed to practice usury on the Non-Jew? - (Talmud IV/2/70b)

The koran then says
4.160. For the iniquity of the Jews We made unlawful for them certain (foods) good and wholesome which had been lawful for them;- in that they hindered many from God's Way;-
4.161. That they took usury, though they were forbidden; and that they devoured men's substance wrongfully;- we have prepared for those among them who reject faith a grievous punishment.

Note The Torah forbids the Jews from the devouring of Usury ("neshek&quot.See the Old Testament Ex. 22 25;
Le. 25 36-37; De. 2319-20; Ne. 5 7/10; Ps. 15 5; Pr. 288

The Koran then says
4.162. But those among them who are well-grounded in knowledge, and the believers, believe in what hath been revealed to thee and what was revealed before thee And (especially) those who establish regular prayer and practise regular charity and believe in God and in the Last Day To them shall We soon give a great reward.

Talmudic quotes taken from
Truth About the Talmud Judaism's Holiest Book- http//www.revisionisthistory.org/talmudtruth.html

I see it as a condemnation of the oral traditions collected in the Talmud. In Fact the Talmud plays an identical role as hadiths in sectarian Islam. Both were recorded centuries after the scriptures and both were never written earlier. They were supposedly passed orally down the ages and collected later. The Talmud also has Rabbinic fatwas much as the Islamic fiqh does.

Muslimtruthrevealed

Assalaam Alaikum

Bigmo, sorry the Arabic speaking Christian and Jewish translation you are using is incorrect. (Jonah?)

The Quran does NOT mention, suggest or imply reading from any previous scriptures.

so, if you are in doubt from what We have revealed to you, THEN ASK THOSE WHO ARE READING AL-KITAB/THE BOOK and have the correct orientation, practice and disposition BEFORE YOU, definitely there has come to you the truth from your Lord, so do not become from the doubtful ones.

Yaqrauna meaning ?they read/reflecting/proclaiming/practicing? from the; Root word Qara?a meaning ?to read, read a written thing, RECITE WITH or WITHOUT having a script, proclaim, convey, call, rehearse, deliver
Hans Wehr Arabic English Dictionary 4th Ed. Page 882-891 (qaraa?a) also see page 880-882 (qarra)

Qablika (PRESENT TENSE;NOW, 2nd person, masculine, singular) means disposition or orientation that one turns their attention of those previously, formerly, before you, earlier; Root word Qabila meaning to accept, reception, approve, agree, consent, to give ones attention
Hans Wehr Arabic English Dictionary 4th Ed. Page 866-867 (qabila)