The Sadducees, The Pharisees and the Zoroastrian Connection
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Peace all,
I would like to share a video that proves that Jesus was not against the oral Jewish tradition but actually supported it. This puts the theory 'tradition of men' is the Talmud to the grave. Plus the Quran support to many stories and concepts in the Talmud which proves the oral Torah has some divinity.
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OPkEusjZXg
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Peace all,
I would like to share a video that proves that Jesus was not against the oral Jewish tradition but actually supported it. This puts the theory 'tradition of men' is the Talmud to the grave. Plus the Quran support to many stories and concepts in the Talmud which proves the oral Torah has some divinity.
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OPkEusjZXg
And some of the hadith may have validity. But its impossible to know which ones. There are references in the Talmud you can find in the Koran but yet there are condemnations in the Koran about some of the Talmudic teachings as the case with Jesus in Mark 7 1-9.
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And some of the hadith may have validity. But its impossible to know which ones. There are references in the Talmud you can find in the Koran but yet there are condemnations in the Koran about some of the Talmudic teachings as the case with Jesus in Mark 7 1-9.
The problem what if they are commandments from the Creator. We are cooked. D How can I differentiate?
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Peace liquid,
The Sadducees didn't believe in an afterlife for a reason. It is not found in the Hebrew scriptures. It is started with Zoroastrianism entering into the oral Jewish traditions then the NT and the Quran. We can say that the Jewish tradition contain revelations from God because it seems when the Quran says we have wrote for the children of Israel so and so, you find it in the Talmud and not in the Hebrew bible!
Peace,
Rami
Why pick on the Zoroastrians? The Greeks and Romans believed in the afterlife. Plato dismissed almost the entirety of Pagan mythology but he still believed in the Immortality of the Soul. It's almost certain that the Jewish people would have been familiar with stories about the afterlife before they were conquered by the Babylonians and then Zoroastrian Persians.
But there is mention of Phoenicians influencing Judaism in the Bible -
http//phoenicia.org/jerusalem.html
In the 14th Century B.C., King Abdi Hepa, king of the Phoenician Canaanites, wrote to the Pharaoh Akhnaton and implored him to rid Jerusalem of new invaders. He described a group of people known as the "Habirus", as having already conquered Rushada, and advancing on Jerusalem. In the Bible, the story of Abraham mentions Melchizedek, the King of Salem (King of Jerusalem) and Priest of the Most High God (El Elion), who offered bread and wine to Abraham.
In 1000 B.C., King David, conquered Jerusalem, and established it as his capital. At the time of his conquest, the city was known as "Jebus" but he renamed it Jerusalem, once again.
Phoenician Canaanite High-Priestly "Apostolic Succession" of Yahweh's Temple
King David re-invested the Phoenician Canaanite High-Priest of Jerusalem to continue functioning in that position. Scholars have noticed two high priests are referred to in the account of Kind David's life Abiathar and Zadok. Abiathar is mentioned early in the narratives, even before David is (e.g. 1 Samuel 2220), but Zadok the Priest appears suddenly, and only after the conquest of Jerusalem. Zadok was the Canaanite High Priest of Jerusalem, whom David permitted to continue to serve. Further, Zadok would also have been King of Jerusalem (city-state like all other Phoenician city-states). It is known that both functions were played by the same person in these Phoenician city-states. Zadok is identified with Araunah, the person who sold David the threshing floor for the purpose of building the altar (2 Samuel 2418-25). The word Araunah is not a personal name; rather, it is a title meaning "the Lord." King David conformed to the tradition which Abraham started when he recognized the validity of the older Phoenician Canaanite High-Priest and King of Jerusalem, Melchizedek.The Sadducee's were descended from the Phoenician priestly caste. That's why they believed in God, but not in the afterlife. If there isn't any mention of the afterlife in the early books, it might well be because they intentionally excluded it.
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Double post.
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Why pick on the Zoroastrians? The Greeks and Romans believed in the afterlife. Plato dismissed almost the entirety of Pagan mythology but he still believed in the Immortality of the Soul. It's almost certain that the Jewish people would have been familiar with stories about the afterlife before they were conquered by the Babylonians and then Zoroastrian Persians.
But there is mention of Phoenicians influencing Judaism in the Bible -
http//phoenicia.org/jerusalem.html
The Sadducee's were descended from the Phoenician priestly caste. That's why they believed in God, but not in the afterlife. If there isn't any mention of the afterlife in the early books, it might well be because they intentionally excluded it.
I pick on the Zoroastrians because the Jewish people came into contact with them in Babylon and with Cyrus the King. Nice link, but it has many unsubstantiated claims. There is no evidence that there was a King Solomon or David or a temple in this place whatsoever. Jerusalem is devoid of any evidence of Hebrew civilization before the second temple. At least for now. Agreed on the origins of the Sadducees. Exclusion of eschatological concepts and rationalization of the Torah in Babylon is very possible. This is because I have never seen or heard of a pre-babylonian Pentateuch.
Peace,
Rami
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I pick on the Zoroastrians because the Jewish people came into contact with them in Babylon and with Cyrus the King. Nice link, but it has many unsubstantiated claims. There is no evidence that there was a King Solomon or David or a temple in this place whatsoever. Jerusalem is devoid of any evidence of Hebrew civilization before the second temple. At least for now. Agreed on the origins of the Sadducees. Exclusion of eschatological concepts and rationalization of the Torah in Babylon is very possible. This is because I have never seen or heard of a pre-babylonian Pentateuch.
Peace,
Rami
There is some Biblical video documentaries by the History channel like Banned from the Bible or who wrote the Bible etc. Maybe you should take a look at them. They are on the net and u can start with youtube or Guba to find them.
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There is some Biblical video documentaries by the History channel like Banned from the Bible or who wrote the Bible etc. Maybe you should take a look at them. They are on the net and u can start with youtube or Guba to find them.
Thanks. I saw those documentaries before. Very excting. There is one about the Quran.
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJ0kMTMovg4
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Mu3cKat5jEPeace.
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More proof that the Quran is confirming the Midrash. The Jews are noticing this. I am Geomystery who commented on the first video.
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYdCkyoyss8
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbc8f6nnnFE
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmToiQSffbAPeace,
Rami
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Thank you Rami!
Very interesting thread, pity that some links to videos are dead.