Is Muhammad prophet or Messenger ?
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Peace,
Am I misunderstanding you, or are you concluding that "Muhammad" wasn't an actual person; he was actually a type of human trait, present in all the believers? o Pardon me if I'm wrong in my misunderstanding of your ideology... Either way, that conclusion is not very logical. The scriptures clearly point out that the Qur'an was sent down to a man named "Muhammad", and then it was delivered from him to the people. The comparison is the way the Statute Book was sent down to Moses and Aaron, and then it was relayed to the people. We're not all "prophets", and if Moses and Aaron were individual persons, then so was Muhammad...
On the topic of distinguishing a prophet/"nabi" versus a messenger/"rasuul", the Qur'an consistently speaks of prophets delivering scriptures to the people, while a messenger only confirms the presently-existing scripture... Now, since every scripture is, in a sense, a confirmation of the previous one, then every prophet is also a messenger. However, since only prophets (not messengers) receive new scriptures, then every messenger is not necessarily a prophet. So, on the issue of 'which was Muhammad', he was BOTH a prophet and a messenger...
Peace,
Ahmad
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Peace,
Muhammad', he was BOTH a prophet and a messenger...
Peace,
AhmadBrother Ahmad Bilal,
Is there a verse that does not contradict the verse 3 144? Muhammad is no more than a messenger many Were the messenger that passed away before him. If he died or were slain, will you then Turn back on your heels? If any did turn back on his heels, not the least harm will he do to Allah; but Allah will swiftly reward those who has gratitude.
And what is the role of Gibraeel and Mikhail with reference to us and with reference to Muhammad? What is the status and job of our Ruh that Allah breathed into us? We cannot be enemies to Gibraeel in this world.
Regards.
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salaam ahmad bilal,
my posts in this thread were primarily about 'muhammadur rasoolullah' not 'muhammad the nabiy'.
'muhammad the nabiy' was a human being like abraham, moses and jacob.
if you care to re-read the posts carefully (or other posts regarding this issue), you could perhaps grasp the difference between 'muhammadur rasulullah' and 'muhammad the nabiy', and perhaps understand when some 'anbiya' were also refered to in the Qur'an as 'rusool'. i hope there is no need for me to repeat the clarifications.
if you want to be definite about our comprehension regarding 'muhammad'
• 'muhammad' can be the name of a human being.
• 'muhammad' can be the name of the 'nabiy' who left us with the Qur'an, but that 'nabiy' can even be named 'ahmad' (read 616, and hans wehr defined 'ahmad' as 'more commendable, more laudable'. 'ismuhu' in that verse can mean 'his status' or 'his name'.)
• 'muhammad' the 'nabiy' can also be a 'rasool'. (please read our posts here and elsewhere).
• 'muhammad' in hans wehr's dictionary is defined as 'praised; commendable, laudable'. lane put it as ?the much, or repeatedly, praised; or the endowed with many praiseworthy qualities.? thus in our comprehension, it can be a human being, a 'ruh', or anything that has the attributes.
• when we wrote about 'muhammad khatamman nabiy' ('muhammad' is the 'ring' of 'nabiy', we were refering to 'muhammadur rasulullah' not 'muhammad' the 'nabiy'.
if you want to be definite about our comprehension regarding 'rasool'
• 'rasool' in arabic means 'messenger; emissary; envoy, delegate, apostle (Chr.)'.
• a human being can be a 'rasool', so too is the 'ruh' of God (ruhullah), a 'malaikat', a mosquito, a house fly, a bird, a tree, etc., and each and everyone of them deliver 'good news and warnings'.
hopefully the above clarifies your inquiry. perhaps the difficulty in understanding this is due to the word 'muhammad', which can be a name, and an attribute.
but please, just consider this as another 'call' to consider or ponder.
please don't be in a hurry to be definite about things, everything. don't even think about it, because if you allow the mind to think at will, it will take you to travel on a multitude of trains of thoughts which will give you nothing but headaches. just ask God for the clarifications, and empty the mind. give yourself ten nights of not thinking about what we have written but ask God for correct guidance. insha-Allah you will gain an understanding beyond expectations. in fact, it can even be much more than what we have written in our posts. the correct way to learn with God as the Teacher is to acknowledge, appoint and revere God as the Teacher.
may God guide us all. insha-Allah.
peace
mohammed noh
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Salaam Joe Betik,
my posts in this thread were primarily about 'muhammadur rasoolullah' not 'muhammad the nabiy'.
hmm This is a very interesting concept, and I've never considered the situation in this way... You don't think would conflict with 3340? That passage literally says
Muhammad was not the father to any from your men, but the messenger of Allah and the last of the prophets. And Allah was with everything knowledgeable. (3340)
On the concept of Muhammad being the 'ring' of the prophets, that's not compatible with the scripture. It says "khaatam alnabiyeen", which literally means the end or conclusion of the prophets. What's your take on this?
Peace,
Ahmad
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salaam ahmad bilal
i have asked you to consider to ponder for 10 nights, but it took you barely a day to come back with questions.
i have asked you to consider re-reading my posts carefully, yet you asked a question that has been explained in earlier posts.
since you did not even want to consider, i rest my case, and leave you with God.
may God guide us all. insha-Allah.
peace.
mohammed noh
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All prophets are messengers but not all messengers are prophets. Let's take mary for example, she was a messenger but not a prophet peace
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Mohamad contradicted the bible. Concidering an angel appeard to him did people not know satan comes as an angel of light? even the bible says that. this is why you have to test the spirit. and God's Word says "If any spirt preaches anything different from what we have preached let them be accursed" also you cannot add or take anything away from what has been written and people have been trying to do that for a long time. 600 years after God spoke His Word thorugh His Son Jesus the koran was written, so it really contradicts each other. any spriit that says Jesus Christ did not come in the Flesh is not of God. so who am I going to believe? God's Word that was written over 100s of years thorugh Holy Spirited Apostiles and Prophets like Elijah, Issiah etc with the annointing of God or a book written 600 years after with a person who could not read or write, and went around killing others? Me I chose life. Chose Jesus you choise life, Reject Jesus you chose death and hades. Jesus was sinnless and performed many miracles and Jesus said that He could not do anything without the Father. Jesus made it clear that if you reject Him you reject the One who sent Him. no demons from hell would admit that Jesus is the Son of God unless they are cast out and I know of people demons were cast out and they came out screaming Jesus is coming back soon and He is going to lock us up into hell. Even a demon possessed man who wa possessed Jesus casted out demons but the demons saw Jesus and said "what do you want with us Son of the Most High God" so even demons know Jesus is the Son of God. but also satan is the father of lies and can deceive people into believing that Jesus is not the Son of God so they can end up in hell along with all the unbelievers they have deceived. satan is doing a good job at keeping people away from the truth. Jesus said "I AM the Way, Truth and the Light and no man comes to the Father but by Me" Hallelujah. Jesus taught love, forgivness to love your enemies, and He also prophcied His own death and reserection. You either believe what Jesus said fully or you do not believe Him at all, no middle ground. I am not going to believe a book that was written 600 years after God said not to add or take. Mohamad did not even test the spirit that came to him. and yet took him to a cave? God's angles are open in what they are going to do in public they do not take anyone to a cave. demons do that and do discusge themselfs as an angel of light. but they are soon going to be going to the lake of fire and I cannot wait for that. Take care all. welcome
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Rajah,
Muhammad means the 'Praise worthy and reliable person' earned by the chosen one by God (all glory be to Him) whom He had guided in righteousness. It is not the name christened by the parents. Ahmad, Muhammad all are the same; it is the name earned from the people by the God chosen ones that lived among them for quite a time. Such Muhammads Allah shall choose from among the nations and communities and in all linguistic populations to teach and explain the Book and to imbibe them with the wisdom. Even today there may be 100s of such chosen muhammads around the world explaining the Book and giving them the wisdom and insight in each linguistic community. When the muhammads are belied, or die, or killed, or driven to a different nation then comes the calamity such as earthquake, floods, tsunami etc. This has been the sunnah of Allah and you will not see a change in the nature of events that destroy nations.
So wherever there are natural calamities, it is understood that a muhammad was belied there. In Turkey, in Pakistan, in Gujarat and in so many places we see Allah's Sunnah repeating itself without a mistake.
.You mean Drfazl, there is potential for a common man to raise the level of Mohammed by the Guidance of GOD.
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Khatam means seal, not necesarily "last". My understanding of khatam an-nabiyin, which makes sense to me, is that ANYTHING that purports to be a revelation must pass the test of its congruity with the qur'an. If it does, the rophethood of the transmitter to the people may be confirmed, it is the seal of prophecy, if not, it is not prophecy. The khatam I can understand it also in the sense that after the transmitter of the Qur'an, all people have the elements to live without the need of a new prophet. Everything is there. In that sense what we would have would rusul, and indeed in a wide sense everybody and everything are rusul. We are rusul to other people, and other people are rusul to us if we get from them something for our spiritual enlightment and transformation. chioldren, sons and daughters are in fact very efficient envoys, if they don't change you very few things will. They may not be conscious of it, but in order to recognize al rusul, all we have to do is to be conscious that we need them, that we use them, that we cannot do without them.
I am not sure whether this ties with something of the previous posters posts. I think it does, but I am not sure that I have understood everything well.
Salaam
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Khatam means seal, not necesarily "last". My understanding of khatam an-nabiyin, which makes sense to me, is that ANYTHING that purports to be a revelation must pass the test of its congruity with the qur'an. If it does, the rophethood of the transmitter to the people may be confirmed, it is the seal of prophecy, if not, it is not prophecy. The khatam I can understand it also in the sense that after the transmitter of the Qur'an, all people have the elements to live without the need of a new prophet. Everything is there. In that sense what we would have would rusul, and indeed in a wide sense everybody and everything are rusul. We are rusul to other people, and other people are rusul to us if we get from them something for our spiritual enlightment and transformation. chioldren, sons and daughters are in fact very efficient envoys, if they don't change you very few things will. They may not be conscious of it, but in order to recognize al rusul, all we have to do is to be conscious that we need them, that we use them, that we cannot do without them.
I am not sure whether this ties with something of the previous posters posts. I think it does, but I am not sure that I have understood everything well.
Salaam
So there is still time to submit my resume? How many reference letters do I need to include?