A Question About 6:151
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6151 Say ?Come let me recite for you what your Lord has forbidden for you that you should not set up anything with Him; and be kind to your parents; and do not kill your children for fear of poverty, We provide for you and for them; and do not come near lewdness, what is plain of it or subtle; and do not kill the soul which God has forbidden, except in justice. That is what He enjoined you that you may comprehend.?
Why does the god differentiate between killing a child and killing in general? I vaguely recall reading somewhere on this forum that the bit that's translated as "Do not kill your children" should actually be translated as "Do not neglect your children" so I searched for the thread in which I read that, but I couldn't find it. Anyway, what do you guys think 6151 says?
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6151
Transliteration Qul taAAalaw atlu ma harrama rabbukum AAalaykum alla tushrikoo bihi shay-an wabialwalidayni ihsanan wala taqtuloo awladakum min imlaqin nahnu narzuqukum wa-iyyahum wala taqraboo alfawahisha ma thahara minha wama batana wala taqtuloo alnnafsa allatee harrama Allahu illa bialhaqqi thalikum wassakum bihi laAAallakum taAAqiloona
Literal Say "Come I (will) read/recite what your Lord forbade on you, that do not make partners with Him (in) a thing, and with the parents (treat with) goodness, and do not kill your children from poverty We provide for you and them, and do not approach/near the enormous/atrocious deeds , what is visible from it, and what is hidden, and do not kill the self that God forbade, except with the right , that He directed/commanded you with it, maybe you reason/comprehend ."
Yusuf Ali Say "Come, I will rehearse what Allah hath (really) prohibited you from" Join not anything as equal with Him; be good to your parents; kill not your children on a plea of want;- We provide sustenance for you and for them;- come not nigh to shameful deeds. Whether open or secret; take not life, which Allah hath made sacred, except by way of justice and law thus doth He command you, that ye may learn wisdom.
Pickthal Say Come, I will recite unto you that which your Lord hath made a sacred duty for you That ye ascribe no thing as partner unto Him and that ye do good to parents, and that ye slay not your children because of penury - We provide for you and for them - and that ye draw not nigh to lewd things whether open or concealed. And that ye slay not the life which Allah hath made sacred, save in the course of justice. This He hath command you, in order that ye may discern.Arberry Say 'Come, I will recite what your Lord has forbidden you that you associate not anything with Him, and to be good to your parents, and not to slay your children because of poverty; We will provide you and them and that you approach not any indecency outward or inward, and that you slay not the soul God has forbidden, except by right. That then He has charged you with; haply you will understand.
Shakir Say Come I will recite what your Lord has forbidden to you-- (remember) that you do not associate anything with Him and show kindness to your parents, and do not slay your children for (fear of) poverty-- We provide for you and for them-- and do not draw nigh to indecencies, those of them which are apparent and those which are concealed, and do not kill the soul which Allah has forbidden except for the requirements of justice; this He has enjoined you with that you may understand.
Sarwar (Muhammad), say, " Let me tell you about what your Lord has commanded Do not consider anything equal to God; Be kind to your parents; Do not murder your children out of fear of poverty, for We give sustenance to you and to them. Do not even approach indecency either in public or in private. Take not a life which God has made sacred except by way of justice and law. Thus does He command you that you may learn wisdom.
Khalifa Say, " Come let me tell you what your Lord has really prohibited for you You shall not set up idols besides Him. You shall honor your parents. You shall not kill your children from fear of poverty - we provide for you and for them. You shall not commit gross sins, obvious or hidden. You shall not kill - GOD has made life sacred - except in the course of justice. These are His commandments to you, that you may understand."
Hilali/Khan Say (O Muhammad SAW) "Come, I will recite what your Lord has prohibited you from Join not anything in worship with Him; be good and dutiful to your parents; kill not your children because of poverty - We provide sustenance for you and for them; come not near to Al-Fawahish (shameful sins, illegal sexual intercourse, etc.) whether committed openly or secretly, and kill not anyone whom Allah has forbidden, except for a just cause (according to Islamic law). This He has commanded you that you may understand.
H/K/Saheeh Say, "Come, I will recite what your Lord has prohibited to you. that you not associate anything with Him, and to parents, good treatment, and do not kill your children out of poverty; We will provide for you and them. And do not approach immoralities what is apparent of them and what is concealed. And do not kill the soul which Allah has forbidden except by right. This has He instructed you that you may use reason."
Malik O Muhammad, say "Come, I will recite what your Lord has forbidden to you not to commit shirk with Him, to be kind to your parents, not to kill your children making the excuse of inability to support them - We provide sustenance for you and for them not to commit shameful deeds whether open or secret, not to kill any soul forbidden by Allah except for the requirements of justice. These are the things which He enjoined you so that you may learn wisdom.
QXP Say, "Come, let me convey to you what your Sustainer has enjoined upon you as a sacred duty Associate no one with Him. Honor you parents, do good to them, fulfill their needs. Neither kill your children for fear of poverty nor deprive them of proper training and education. We provide for you and for them. (The Divine System will take care of your needs and their needs). Do not go near immodesty or lewdness whether openly or in secret. Do not slay a life, life that Allah has made sacred except in the course of justice. This He has commanded you so that you use reason and obey these Commands."
Maulana Ali Say Come! I will recite what your Lord has forbidden to you Associate naught with Him and do good to parents and slay not your children for (fear of ) poverty -- We will provide for you and for them -- and draw not nigh to indecencies, open or secret, and kill not the soul which Allah has made sacred except in the course of justice. This He enjoins upon you that you may understand.
Free Minds Say "Come let me recite to you what your Lord has forbidden for you that you should not set up anything with Him; and be kind to your parents; and do not kill your unborn children for fear of poverty, We provide for you and for them; and do not come near lewdness, what is plain of it or subtle; and do not kill the soul which God has forbidden, except in justice. That is what He enjoined you that you may comprehend."
Qaribullah Say 'Come, I will recite to you what your Lord forbids you; that you shall associate anything with Him; that you shall be good to your parents, that you shall not kill your children because of poverty, We provide for you and for them, that you shall not commit foul deeds whether openly or in secret, and that you shall not kill the soul that Allah has forbidden except by right. With such Allah? charges you, in order that you understand.
George Sale Say, come; I will rehearse that which your Lord hath forbidden you; that is to say, that ye be not guilty of idolatry, and that ye shew kindness to your parents, and that ye murder not your children for fear lest ye be reduced to poverty We will provide for you and them; and draw not near unto hainous crimes, neither openly nor in secret; and slay not the soul which God hath forbidden you to slay, unless for a just cause. This hath He injoined you that ye may understand.
JM Rodwell SAY Come, I will rehearse what your Lord hath made binding on you-that ye assign not aught to Him as partner; and that ye be good to your parents; and that ye slay not your children, because of poverty for them and for you will we provide and that ye coAsad Say "Come, let me convey unto you what God has forbidden to you "Do not ascribe divinity, in any way, to aught beside Him; and do good unto your parents;'46 and do not kill your children for fear of poverty - it is We who shall provide sustenance for you as well as for them;'?' and do not commit any shameful deeds, be they open or secret; and do not take any human being's life- which God has declared to be sacred -otherwise than in justice this has He enjoined upon you so that you might use your reason;'?
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6151 Say ?Come let me recite for you what your Lord has forbidden for you that you should not set up anything with Him; and be kind to your parents; and do not kill your children for fear of poverty, We provide for you and for them; and do not come near lewdness, what is plain of it or subtle; and do not kill the soul which God has forbidden, except in justice. That is what He enjoined you that you may comprehend.?
Why does the god differentiate between killing a child and killing in general? I vaguely recall reading somewhere on this forum that the bit that's translated as "Do not kill your children" should actually be translated as "Do not neglect your children" so I searched for the thread in which I read that, but I couldn't find it. Anyway, what do you guys think 6151 says?
I think by logic it should not mean literal killing, otherwise it would be understood that poverty is the only prohibited justification for killing them (i.e you may kill them but not because of poverty).
As for the FM translatio of (unborn children), I do not know why they inserted this "unbrorn". God speaks of these unborn children as "those in the wombs". -
Assuming quoted translation is accurate.
I think by logic it should not mean literal killing, otherwise it would be understood that poverty is the only prohibited justification for killing them (i.e you may kill them but not because of poverty).
The above is only valid if one takes the statement in isolation. If we have the entire Quran to look at, then the above is invalid.
What is more likely, is that a common event taking place at the time (and perhaps even now) is that children (born or unborn) were killed due to poverty reasons. By saying do not kill the soul which God has forbidden, is general, and open to interpretation, thus The Quran will clarify in other places as to what this means, hence other statements.
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6151 Say ?Come let me recite for you what your Lord has forbidden for you that you should not set up anything with Him; and be kind to your parents; and do not kill your children for fear of poverty, We provide for you and for them; and do not come near lewdness, what is plain of it or subtle; and do not kill the soul which God has forbidden, except in justice. That is what He enjoined you that you may comprehend.?
Why does the god differentiate between killing a child and killing in general? I vaguely recall reading somewhere on this forum that the bit that's translated as "Do not kill your children" should actually be translated as "Do not neglect your children" so I searched for the thread in which I read that, but I couldn't find it. Anyway, what do you guys think 6151 says?
Literal Say "Come I (will) read/recite what your Lord forbade on you, that do not make partners with Him (in) a thing, and with the parents (treat with) goodness, and do not kill your children from poverty We provide for you and them, and do not approach/near the enormous/atrocious deeds , what is visible from it, and what is hidden, and do not kill the self that God forbade, except with the right , that He directed/commanded you with it, maybe you reason/comprehend ."
Amazing but its so straight forward;
.........and do not kill your children from/because of poverty We provide for you and them.............
Does God give us food on the table, does he give us a bag full of coins to buy food?.........No.
He has provided us with abundance by way of nature and the children can't get it...fruits, vegetables, Knowledge..e.t.c
He is very simply stating don't let them die OF poverty for you are responsible and we have provided for them and you (get off your back sides and go out and get it or you will be the killer)........
I think.
God Bless.
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I think by logic it should not mean literal killing, otherwise it would be understood that poverty is the only prohibited justification for killing them (i.e you may kill them but not because of poverty).
As for the FM translatio of (unborn children), I do not know why they inserted this "unbrorn". God speaks of these unborn children as "those in the wombs".Thats because the Arabs used to kill their children out of either shame or poverty. So the verse makes sense for the audience the prophet was preaching to. Some may think killing children is justified if they can not take care of them. So the verse makes sense to me as it sounds.
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Assuming quoted translation is accurate.
The above is only valid if one takes the statement in isolation. If we have the entire Quran to look at, then the above is invalid.
What is more likely, is that a common event taking place at the time (and perhaps even now) is that children (born or unborn) were killed due to poverty reasons. By saying do not kill the soul which God has forbidden, is general, and open to interpretation, thus The Quran will clarify in other places as to what this means, hence other statements.
I do not think that the first reason for abortion is poverty. In the US, the second reason (from six reasons) is the inability to support or care for a child, which is not necessarily because of poverty. Does this make the other three reasons (unplanned (first reason); unwanted pregnancy; birth defects) quraanicly acceptable? (The other two reasons are pregnancy resulting from rape and health of mother).
Unplanned/undesired pregnancy seems to be the first reason of abortions even in the third world
This level of unintended pregnancy for developing countries would be even higher if more accurate abortion information were available, since most abortions represent, by definition, unintended pregnancies. The limited available data show that high proportions of unintended pregnancies are resolved by abortion in Tanzania (61%) and in six Latin American countries (ranging from 43% in Mexico to 63% in Chile).4 In the former Soviet republics of Kazakstan and Uzbekistan, more than one-third of mistimed pregnancies and about four-fifths of pregnancies among women who have all the children they want resulted in abortions
Is this "murder/killing" quraanicly acceptable?
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Peace simple,
Amazing but its so straight forward;
.........and do not kill your children from/because of poverty We provide for you and them.............
Does God give us food on the table, does he give us a bag full of coins to buy food?.........No.
He has provided us with abundance by way of nature and the children can't get it...fruits, vegetables, Knowledge..e.t.c
He is very simply stating don't let them die OF poverty for you are responsible and we have provided for them and you (get off your back sides and go out and get it or you will be the killer)........
I think.
God Bless.
I think you've answered my question Salute
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Amazing but its so straight forward;
.........and do not kill your children from/because of poverty We provide for you and them.............
Does God give us food on the table, does he give us a bag full of coins to buy food?.........No.
He has provided us with abundance by way of nature and the children can't get it...fruits, vegetables, Knowledge..e.t.c
He is very simply stating don't let them die OF poverty for you are responsible and we have provided for them and you (get off your back sides and go out and get it or you will be the killer)........
I think.
God Bless.
interesting! I don't know if the original verse allows that interpretation but I like it!
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interesting! I don't know if the original verse allows that interpretation but I like it!
Are you kidding? the verse is not about that at all .
what you stated is talking about Poverty,and fear, and shame/ don't kill your children because of these things.
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Thats because the Arabs used to kill their children out of either shame or poverty. So the verse makes sense for the audience the prophet was preaching to. Some may think killing children is justified if they can not take care of them. So the verse makes sense to me as it sounds.
Other reason
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And in the same way for most of the idolaters the murdering of their off springs has been made alluring by their associates
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to destruct/make them rolling stones and to confuse and obscure them in their system of life.http//www.haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/006.%20Al%20Anaam/temp%2002%206.140.gif
Indeed those have caused loss who killed their off springs foolishly without knowledgeAnd also 6012 may be read where this is the part ofthe pledge/oath taken.
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6151 Say ?Come let me recite for you what your Lord has forbidden for you that you should not set up anything with Him; and be kind to your parents; and do not kill your children for fear of poverty, We provide for you and for them; and do not come near lewdness, what is plain of it or subtle; and do not kill the soul which God has forbidden, except in justice. That is what He enjoined you that you may comprehend.?
Why does the god differentiate between killing a child and killing in general? I vaguely recall reading somewhere on this forum that the bit that's translated as "Do not kill your children" should actually be translated as "Do not neglect your children" so I searched for the thread in which I read that, but I couldn't find it. Anyway, what do you guys think 6151 says?
I believe this has to do with children being offspring... that which is in creation... such as even wasting sperm. Because if you did, then you'll become sexually lame. And always after a ghusl. But even without mentioning that. You'll find that some people don't consider children as adults... children and adults are different things. At one point there is no rhul of allah in a child, it's just part of the mother, and before that constituents of the parents.
