What do you guys think of this hadith?
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What do you guys think of the following hadith?
Sunnah-Hadith
Book 40, Number 4587Sunan Abu-Dawud,
Narrated Al-Miqdam ibn Ma'dikarib
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said Beware! I have been given the Qur'an and something like it, yet the time is coming when a man replete on his couch will say Keep to the Qur'an; what you find in it to be permissible treat as permissible, and what you find in it to be prohibited treat as prohibited. Beware! The domestic ass, beasts of prey with fangs, a find belonging to confederate, unless its owner does not want it, are not permissible to you If anyone comes to some people, they must entertain him, but if they do not, he has a right to mulct them to an amount equivalent to his entertainment.I have indeed been given the Qur'an and something similar to it besides it. Yet, the time will come when a man leaning on his couch will say, "Follow the Qur'an only; what you find in it as halal, take it as halal, and what you find in it as haram, take it as haram." But what the Messenger of Allah has forbidden is like what Allah has forbidden.
(Hadith from the collections of Abu Dawud and Darimi. Narrated by AlMiqdam bin Ma'di Karib) -
I also came across this
Al-Tirmidhi reported from Abu Raafi? and others that the Prophet (SAW) said ?I do not want to see any one of you reclining on his couch and, when he hears of my instructions or prohibitions, saying ?I don?t accept it; we didn?t find any such thing in the Book of Allaah.?? Abu ?Eesaa said This is a saheeh hasan hadeeth. (See Sunan al-Tirmidhi, Shaakir edition, no. 2663).
Al-?Irbaad ibn Saariyah(RAA) reportedthat the Prophet (peace be upon him) said ?Would any of you think, reclining on his couch, that Allah would only describe what is forbidden in the Qur?aan? I tell you, by Allah, that I have warnedand commanded and prohibited things that are as important as what is in the Qur?aan, if not more so.? (Reported by Abu Dawud, Kitaabal-Khiraj wa?l-imaarah wa?l-fay?).
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Peace,
Respectfully.I agree with IronSky here.
I mean, sunnis will do and write everything to justify the hadeeth books.
The Quran speaks strongly and very, very clearly against the hadeeth books.THE WORD HADITH IN QURAN
A review of the use of the word Hadith in the Quran can show any sincere believer that God wants us to follow no other Hadiths but His Hadith, the QURAN.
Here is some of what the Quran says about Hadiths. The words are clear but those who insist on defying God cannot see it or feel it.
"Have they not looked at the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all the things God has created? Does it ever occur to them that the end of their life may be near? Which HADITH, besides this (Quran) do they believe in?" 7185
"Among the people, there are those who uphold baseless HADITH, and thus divert others from the path of God without knowledge, and take it in vain. These have incurred a shameful retribution." 316
"God has revealed herein the BEST HADITH; a book that is consistent and points out both ways (to heaven and hell). The skins of those who reverence their Lord cringe therefrom, then their skins and their hearts soften up for God's message. Such is God's guidance; he bestows it upon whomever He wills. As for those sent astray by God, nothing can guide them." 3923
"These are God's revelations (Quran) that we recite to you truthfully. In which HADITH other than God and His revelations do they believe?" 456
"Let them produce a HADITH like this (Quran) if they are truthful." 5234
"Therefore, let Me deal with those who reject this HADITH(Quran); we will lead them on whence they never perceive." 6844
"Which HADITH other than this do they uphold?" 7750
Why did God permitted these so called Hadiths ? The answer is in next verse.
"We have permitted the enemies of every prophet - human and jinn devils - to inspire in each other FANCY WORDS , in order to deceive. Had your Lord willed, they would not have done it. You shall disregard them and their FABRICATIONS. This is to let the minds of those who do not believe in the Hereafter listen to such FABRICATIONS, and accept them, and thus expose their real convictions.
Should we believe these words of God about Hadith?!!
If you do not want to, my be you should listen to these two verse;
"Who is more evil than one who is reminded of these revelations of his Lord (QURAN), then insists upon disregarding them? We will certainly punish the guilty." 3222
"And when our revelations (Quran) are recited to the one of them, he turns away in arrogance as if he never heard them, as if his ears are deaf. Promise him a painful retribution." 317
God bless you all.
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First of all the statement, "Utitul Qurana wa mislahu" (I have indeed been given the Qur'an and something similar to it besides it.) clearly contradicts the Quran, which challenges the ingrates, "Fal yatu bi hadisin mislihi in kanu sadiqyn" (Let them bring a hadith/word similar to it, if they are truthful).
Anyone familiar with hadith will have no doubt that this and similar hadiths were fabricated to condemn the monotheist at THAT TIME. They fabricated many hadith to support certain a particular position in controversies.
Peace,
EdipWhat do you guys think of the following hadith?
Sunnah-Hadith
Book 40, Number 4587Sunan Abu-Dawud,
Narrated Al-Miqdam ibn Ma'dikarib
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said Beware! I have been given the Qur'an and something like it, yet the time is coming when a man replete on his couch will say Keep to the Qur'an; what you find in it to be permissible treat as permissible, and what you find in it to be prohibited treat as prohibited. Beware! The domestic ass, beasts of prey with fangs, a find belonging to confederate, unless its owner does not want it, are not permissible to you If anyone comes to some people, they must entertain him, but if they do not, he has a right to mulct them to an amount equivalent to his entertainment.I have indeed been given the Qur'an and something similar to it besides it. Yet, the time will come when a man leaning on his couch will say, "Follow the Qur'an only; what you find in it as halal, take it as halal, and what you find in it as haram, take it as haram." But what the Messenger of Allah has forbidden is like what Allah has forbidden.
(Hadith from the collections of Abu Dawud and Darimi. Narrated by AlMiqdam bin Ma'di Karib) -
But if we shouldn't go to any sources outside of the Qur'an for guidance, then how do you explain the fact that many "Qur'an only" people on this forum disagree regarding major topics in the Qur'an? I still see so much dispute on this forum on what Salah actually is, whether it is prayer or something else, and if it's prayer whether it is 5 prayers or 3 prayers, etc. I see dispute on the issue of ablution, ghusl, what jinn actually are, and so on and so forth. Why is there so much disagreement if everything is clear? Can someone answer this for me please?
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But if we shouldn't go to any sources outside of the Qur'an for guidance,
Who said we shouldn't??
The point is clear; the hadiths are mostly human fabricated rubbish...
The greatest source outside the Qur'an (actually it was far much greater source than the Qur'an) is of course GOD HIMSELF!
ASK AND YOU SHALL RECEIVE, SEEK AND YOU SHALL FIND..then how do you explain the fact that many so called Quranites disagree about major issues in the Qur'an? I still see so much dispute on this forum on what Salah actually is, whether it is prayer or something else, and if it's prayer whether it is 5 prayers or 3 prayers, etc. I see dispute on the issue of ablution, ghusl, and so on. Why is there so much disagreement if everything is clear and we shouldn't go to any other source? Can someone answer this for me please?
My dear friend, you're still suffering from sectarian syndrome..
(That all people should believe in the same thing, dressed the same way, state the same opinion etc..)
It's okay to have a disagreement, and those disputes are actually minor issues...Salam / Peace
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Who said we shouldn't??
The point is clear; the hadiths are mostly human fabricated rubbish...
The greatest source outside the Qur'an (actually it was far much greater source than the Qur'an) is of course GOD HIMSELF!
ASK AND YOU SHALL RECEIVE, SEEK AND YOU SHALL FIND..My dear friend, you're still suffering from sectarian syndrome..
(That all people should believe in the same thing, dressed the same way, state the same opinion etc..)
It's okay to have a disagreement, and those disputes are actually minor issues...FYI, I'm not sunni, and I don't suffer from sectarian syndrome. I'm simply asking why there is dispute if the Qur'an is enough for the religion. I'm asking questions because there are things that are unclear to me as well, and I'm still in the learning phase.
To answer your second point, no those are definitely NOT minor issues. Salah is not a minor issue, and neither is ablution. It is one thing to say that it's not important which movements we make during Salah, but to say that Salah isn't a ritual prayer at all (as some people on this board have suggested) is a whole other deal.
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But if we shouldn't go to any sources outside of the Qur'an for guidance, then how do you explain the fact that many "Qur'an only" people on this forum disagree regarding major topics in the Qur'an? I still see so much dispute on this forum on what Salah actually is, whether it is prayer or something else, and if it's prayer whether it is 5 prayers or 3 prayers, etc. I see dispute on the issue of ablution, ghusl, what jinn actually are, and so on and so forth. Why is there so much disagreement if everything is clear? Can someone answer this for me please?
Peace
The main core of islam, and the main goal of the scripture is worship God alone and not taking parteneres, otherwise it will be shirk which according to the quran it is the unforgivable sin, anything else could be forgiven by god if he would.
448 God does not forgive that partners be set up with Him, and He forgives what is beside that for whom He wills. Whoever sets-up partners with God has indeed invented a great sin.
Shirk , the unforgivable sin, is accepting and following a religion createad by human beings like us, who will claim it is from god or the prophet to convince people to follow it.
4221 Or do they have partners who decree for them a system which has not been authorized by God? And if it were not for the word already given, they would have been judged immediately. Indeed, the transgressors will have a painful retribution.
It is correct that there is disputes in many issues, but not in the main issue.
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FYI, I'm not sunni, and I don't suffer from sectarian syndrome. I'm simply asking why there is dispute if the Qur'an is enough for the religion. I'm asking questions because there are things that are unclear to me as well, and I'm still in the learning phase.
Who said you're a sunni? besides it's quite okay to be a sunni.... and guess what.. I'm not even a "Quran Aloner"...
To answer your second point, no those are definitely NOT minor issues. Salah is not a minor issue, and neither is ablution. It is one thing to say that it's not important which movements we make during Salah, but to say that Salah isn't a ritual prayer at all (as some people on this board have suggested) is a whole other deal.
It is a minor issue and not a big deal.. at least to me and some other folks within this forum.
To me;
It's quite okay if someone wishes to worship a stone as long as he do not enforce me to also worshipping a stone or even worse; he throw that stone to me... then that would be a big issue!"To every nation We appointed acts of devotion which they observe, therefore you should not dispute with them about the matter and invite them to your Lord; most surely you are on a right way."
2267Salam / Peace
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But if we shouldn't go to any sources outside of the Qur'an for guidance, then how do you explain the fact that many "Qur'an only" people on this forum disagree regarding major topics in the Qur'an?
Peace
Has God told us that Satan and his followers will always be out there to make believers disagree among each others?
Free-Minds is not Immune from Satan and his followers.
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But if we shouldn't go to any sources outside of the Qur'an for guidance, then how do you explain the fact that many "Qur'an only" people on this forum disagree regarding major topics in the Qur'an? I still see so much dispute on this forum on what Salah actually is, whether it is prayer or something else, and if it's prayer whether it is 5 prayers or 3 prayers, etc. I see dispute on the issue of ablution, ghusl, what jinn actually are, and so on and so forth. Why is there so much disagreement if everything is clear? Can someone answer this for me please?
Peace,
Respectfully.My dear friend, you must understand this we are all humans (same) and different (have different views) because we all have independent minds and we must therefore think on our own, i can't follow other human beings just because they tell me they are right. I must do my own research, i must investigate on my own and i must think for myself.
Imagine if all detectives at the same police station followed one detective just because he is the oldest or has more money then anyone else or whatever. Every detective is given a case and each detective must find the criminal.
Special Agent Fox Mulder must find the bad guys independently from special agent Dana Scully, even though they actually work together.
Peace.