Have you ever been threatened?
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Just wondering,
Has anyone here been threatened online or otherwise for not being Sunni/Shia/other and rejecting the "Hadiths?"
Many Sunnis I know would issue a fatwa on my head if they knew of my free mind. It seems that thinking is some sort of sin in their belief system. Asking questions is discouraged and "foreign" ideas are routinely attacked. -
salaam,
be a 'haneef' like ibrahim (abraham). he was appointed 'imam' not for nothing. emulate him.
many have sticked labels on my head. but i have my full faith in God. He is my 'rabb'.
as long as we follow the guidance of God without imposing our comprehensions onto others, there is nothing to worry. we will not be asked about what others have done. but if we impose our comprehension onto others, then we are the ones to worry. there is a price for it. and it is not beautiful.
peace.
mohammed noh
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Peace,
I was introduced to Free-minds by a posting Layth made on beliefnet when I was 15 years old.
In the begining my family was not receptive to the "Qur'an alone"message. However, all of them including my parents, siblings, and many of my cousins have practically become Qur'an only Muslims or they have become Muslims that reject any hadith that contradicts the Qur'an or the spirit of the Qur'an. Most of Muslim friends have done the same.
I received a lot of threats along the way. I was even banned from the MSA (Muslim Student Association) for a little while. However, everyone has toned down their Sunni/Shia bullshit and there are a lot of people who have become "Qur'an aloners" while many have become more rational in their pre-existing beliefs.
I just graduated from University now and I'm finding more and more people receptive to the Qur'an alone message or the anti hadith message. Ironically, the only people I find that reject this message are the Muslims I know that do the so called "haram" stuff anyway. The Muslims that tend to be (insert ethnic group first) then Muslim. They rationalize their behavior by saying they'll go on Hajj and cleanse themselves. These are the only people that still bully me on my views. =P
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Peace,
I used to get bullied when I used to get on my soap-box and question others. It was a pride thing that I knew better than they. I now know that my approach was wrong and caused me a lot of pain. I've been thrown out of mosques, been chased by beardies, even had someone threaten that my marriage to my wife was annulled because of my beliefs and that she should split up from me because I was no longer a muslim (was her brother!)
I have found that the softly softly approach to speaking only when spoken to works wonders. Family have become more pliable, have started thinking about what they do, which is working nicely. Slow work, but you can't change someone's beliefs if they've had them for most of their lives and challenge them that they have been committing shirk day in day out. hard to break a habit of a lifetime they say... how true.
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In the begining my family was not receptive to the "Qur'an alone"message. However, all of them including my parents, siblings, and many of my cousins have practically become Qur'an only Muslims or they have become Muslims that reject any hadith that contradicts the Qur'an or the spirit of the Qur'an. Most of Muslim friends have done the same.
D Similar to my siblings.
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Peace
I have recieved no threats but i recieved warnings for which i might be going astray if i continue my ways.
I wish i could convey better to the people around me the message i understand of the Quran. But so far no one in my family is interested in this issue. I've had discussions with my freinds in which they acknowledge what i say but whether they continue to think about what i say or change some of their beliefs, i don't know.
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Has anyone here been threatened online or otherwise for not being Sunni/Shia/other and rejecting the "Hadiths?"
I love receiving threats! They're a boost to my ego and they also make me laugh.
I do, but I don't like receiving them. Those people really piss me off. They need to be put in zoos where they belong. I don't think we should let ourselves become accustomed to thinking it is normal. Even if you live in a dictatorship, there are still usually laws against this kind of thing. It's just barbaric.
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I agree with most of what has been said. One must ibe steadfast and matter of fact about it and not make a show of it nor make proclamations and let one be asked rather and teel first. And repeat things as many times as necessary and reason them out. That is, offer the reasoning that one believes in, not any borrowed reasoning. If not this year this month or this hour eventually one must come face to face with a wall or take to reason.
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When I started asking my Sunni brothers questions about Qu'ran-alone they just tried to explain it to me ("Obey God and the Messenger", or "You are reading English translation of Qu'ran not Qu'ran and you need scholars and hadith". When I wasn't convinced I just stopped showing... I think there is a hadith that says if you miss three congregational prayers in a row you are out of Islam... and I've missed way more than that. When I see them they just ask how I am doing, no threats or anything. They just seem kind've disappointed in me...
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When I started asking my Sunni brothers questions about Qu'ran-alone they just tried to explain it to me ("Obey God and the Messenger", or "You are reading English translation of Qu'ran not Qu'ran and you need scholars and hadith". When I wasn't convinced I just stopped showing... I think there is a hadith that says if you miss three congregational prayers in a row you are out of Islam... and I've missed way more than that. When I see them they just ask how I am doing, no threats or anything. They just seem kind've disappointed in me...
It seems they have goodness in them if their not lashing out at you.
Good for them bravo
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When I started asking my Sunni brothers questions about Qu'ran-alone they just tried to explain it to me ("Obey God and the Messenger", or "You are reading English translation of Qu'ran not Qu'ran and you need scholars and hadith". When I wasn't convinced I just stopped showing... I think there is a hadith that says if you miss three congregational prayers in a row you are out of Islam... and I've missed way more than that. When I see them they just ask how I am doing, no threats or anything. They just seem kind've disappointed in me...
Oh yea, I've heard that alot!
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Sunnis are easy to beat in an argument. Just tell them look, you have your deen, the Sunnah, and I have my own, the Koran. they hate that and get defensive because it makes them feel the Koran and Sunnah are not the same thing. Ha ha! No, just kidding. I don't argue with people and just use the net. I can reach far more people. Plus, I don't have proof anyways. Many Sunnis are good people, its just their clerics and their religious teachings are nasty. Especially when it comes to freedom. Most people are not too occupied with religious discourse as the people here are. We are all weird at least to society we are.
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Just wondering,
Has anyone here been threatened online or otherwise for not being Sunni/Shia/other and rejecting the "Hadiths?"
Many Sunnis I know would issue a fatwa on my head if they knew of my free mind. It seems that thinking is some sort of sin in their belief system. Asking questions is discouraged and "foreign" ideas are routinely attacked.Peace,
respectfully.Yes.
I was just standing in the mosque and this one Bosniak, former refugee saw me, and said to me"Alen, if i find out you're a shia, i'll cut you in half." Thing is, he saw me praying without raising my hands in the beginning, during the prayer my arms were along my body and i did not point to the sky with my finger and i didn't look right and left at the end. he thought i was shia .... weird.That was in 2006.
Now, in 2009, same guy tells me that there are radicals in Central London Mosque who will kill me because they have sworn by The God and all His names.This is why i'm being very careful with those movies.
Glory be to our God,
Glory be to our God.
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Peace
I have recieved no threats but i recieved warnings for which i might be going astray if i continue my ways.
I wish i could convey better to the people around me the message i understand of the Quran. But so far no one in my family is interested in this issue. I've had discussions with my freinds in which they acknowledge what i say but whether they continue to think about what i say or change some of their beliefs, i don't know.
Same for me - my husband has repeatedly warned me of going "astray".
I am working on showing him things that are contradictory between the hadiths & the Qur'an - he's not even aware of the women-degrading hadiths, and didn't believe me until I showed him one in my Bukhari collection. I no longer get wudu the "Sunni" way, but the way the Qur'an states to do so. I get wudu alone so I don't have to deal with my husband's reaction as I know he follows tradition w/o thinking.My MIL has told me that "questioning the hadiths is a sin". She is much older and more set in her ways. She believes that Arabs/Salafis are the best example of Islam ... I'm not sure I can get through to her after a lifetime of her following others.
