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Attempting to Correct "THE MESSAGE"

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    618 They wish to put out God?s light with their mouths. But God will
    continue with His light, even if the rejecters dislike it.
    THERE ARE VERSES QUITE SIMILAR TO THIS ONE.
    ARE THEY USING THE SAME WORDS IN ARABIC OR ARE THERE DIFFERENCES ?
    ESPECIALLY "DISLIKE" IS "HATE" IN ANOTHER VERSE 932
    ESPECIALLY "PUT OUT" IS "EXTINGUISH" IN VERSE 932

    6110 ?O you who believe, shall I lead you to a trade that will save you
    from painful retribution??
    IS THERE NO "A" MISSING BEFORE "PAINFUL" ? PLEASE CHECK ARABIC

    637 They are the ones who say ?Do not spend on those who are with
    the messenger of God, unless they abandon him!? And to God belongs
    the treasures of the heavens and the Earth, but the hypocrites do not
    comprehend.
    SHOULD BELONG HAS AN "S" AS IT IS "THE TREASURES OF ... THE EARTH" THAT BELONG ?

    6311 And God will not delay any soul if its time has come. And God is
    Expert to all that you do.
    SOMETIMES "IN" FOLLOWS EXPERT , SOMETIMES "OVER",
    COULD YOU PLEASE IN THE ARABIC THAT THE WORDS ARE DIFFERENT AS WE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT
    TRANSLATIONS ?

    642 He is the One who created you, then among you there is the
    rejecter, and among you is the believer. And God is Seer over what you
    do.
    IS THERE A "THERE" MISSING IN "AND AMONG YOU IS THE BELIEVER" ? PLEASE CHECK ARABIC

    673 He created seven skies in layers. You do not see any imperfection
    in the creation by the Almighty. Keep looking; do you see any flaw?
    7115 ?Did you not see how God created seven skies in layers??
    IS SKY THE SAME AS HEAVEN ? PLEASE CHECK ARABIC VERSION
    TO SEE THE ORIGINAL WORDS. IF YES ( SKY = HEAVEN ), THEN WHY IS IT ANOTHER WORD DIFFERENT FROM HEAVEN
    THAT IS USED HERE ? ALSO THERE MAY BE OTHER VERSES WHERE SKY IS USED FOR HEAVEN.

    7121 Noah said ?My Lord, they have disobeyed me and have followed
    whose money and children only increased him in loss.?
    IS THERE NO WORD MISSING AFTER "FOLLOWED" ?

    7128 ?My Lord, forgive me, and my parents, and whoever enters my
    home as a believer, and to the believing men and believing women; and
    do not increase the wicked except in destruction.?
    IS THE "TO" BEFORE "THE BELIEVING MEN" IN ITS RIGHTFUL PLACE.
    IS IT GOOD ENGLISH ?

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      560 Say ?Shall I inform you of worse than this as a punishment from
      God? Those whom God cursed and became angry at them, and He made
      from them apes and pigs and servants of evil. Those have a worst place
      and are more astray from the right path.?

      SHOULD IT NOT BE " A WORSE PLACE" INSTEAD OF "A WORST PLACE" ?

      5111 ?And I inspired the disciples that you shall believe in Me and
      My messenger; they said ?We believe, and bear witness that we have
      submitted.??

      do we have missing quotes before YOU and after MESSENGER ?

      572 Rejecters indeed are those who have said ?God is the Messiah
      son of Mary!? And the Messiah said ?O Children of Israel, serve God, my
      Lord and your Lord. Whoever sets-up partners with God, then God will
      forbid Paradise for him, and his destiny will be the Fire; and the wicked
      will have no supporters.?
      IS A FULL STOP OR SEMI COLON REQUIRED AFTER or is there nothing in the Arabic version

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        134 And on Earth are neighboring pieces of land with gardens of
        grape and plants and palm trees, some of which may be twin sharing the
        same root, or single, even though they are being watered with the same
        water source; and We make preference for some of them over others in
        what they consume. In that are signs for a people who comprehend.
        SHOULD THERE BE AN "S" AT THE END "GRAPE" ?

        WHAT IS THE ARABIC WORD TRANSLATED INTO PATIENT/PATIENCE ?

        1335 The example of Paradise that the righteous have been promised,
        is that rivers flow beneath it, and its provisions are continuous as is its
        shade. Such is the abode of those who were righteous, while the abode of
        the rejecters is the Fire.
        WHAT IS THE ARABIC WORD THAT IS TRANSLATED INTO "EXAMPLE"
        SOME HAVE TRANSLATED IT INTO "ALLEGORY". IS IT A BETTER TRANSLATION THAN "EXAMPLE" ?
        OR IS "EXAMPLE" THE BETTER TRANSLATION ??

        1412 ?And why should we not place our trust in God, when He has
        guided us our path. And we will be patient to the harm you inflict upon
        us. And in God those who trust should put their trust.?
        IS THERE NOT A WORD MISSING AFTER "US" AND BEFORE "OUR PATH" ?
        SOME PEOPLE HAVE TRANSLATED PATH IN A PLURAL FORM. IS IT REALLY
        "PATHS" IN THE ARABIC ORIGINAL ?

        1593 Regarding what they use to do.
        IS THERE NOT A "D" MISSING AT THE END OF "USE" ?

        16101 And if We exchange a verse in place of another verse; and God is
        more aware of what He is revealing; they say ?You are making this up!?
        Alas, most of them do not know.
        COULD THE WORD THAT HAS BECOME "VERSE" MEAN "SIGN" ???

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          484 He is the One who sends down tranquility into the hearts of the
          believers, so that they may increase in faith along with their present faith.
          And to God belongs the soldiers of the heavens and the Earth, and God is
          Knowledgeable, Wise.
          SHOULD THERE BE AN "S" AT THE END OF "BELONG" ?
          WHO IS/ARE BELONGING ? GOD OR THE SOLDIERS ?

          487 And to God belongs the soldiers of the heavens and the Earth.
          And God is Noble, Wise.
          SHOULD THERE BE AN "S" AT THE END OF "BELONG" ?
          WHO IS/ARE BELONGING ? GOD OR THE SOLDIERS ?

          4810 Those who pledge allegiance to you, are in-fact pledging allegiance
          to God; God?s hand is above their hands. Those of them who violate such
          a pledge, are violating it only upon themselves. And whosoever fulfills
          what he has pledged to God, then He will grant him a great reward.
          4811 The Nomads who lagged behind will say to you ?We were preoccupied
          with our money and our family, so ask forgiveness for us.? They say with their
          tongues what is not in their hearts. Say ?Who then would possess any power
          for you against God if He wanted harm to afflict you or if He wanted benefit
          for you?? No, God is fully Aware of everything you do.
          FONT FACE AND SIZE HAVE BEEN CHANGED FOR THESE VERSES. WHY ? SHOULD WE NOT KEEP
          A UNIFORMIZED FONT FACE AND SIZE THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE TEXT ?

          4816 Say to those Nomads who lagged behind ?You will be called on
          to fight a people who are very powerful in warfare, unless they surrender.
          Then if you obey, God will grantyou a good reward, but if you turn away as
          you turned away before, He will punish you with a painful retribution.?
          "GRANTYOU" IS NOT ONE WORD, MISSING SPACE CHARACTER

          Your Lord is with vast forgiveness. He has been fully aware of you since
          He initiated you from the Earth, and while you were embryos in your
          mothers wombs...
          IS THERE NOT AN APOSTROPHE MISSING AFTER THE "S" OF "MOTHERS" ?

          5336 Or was he not informed of the teachings in the Scriptures of Moses?
          IS "SCRIPTURES" MEANT TO BE PLURAL ? IS IT PLURAL IN THE ARABIC VERSION ?

          5337 And of Abraham who fulfilled?

          5443 Are your rejecters better than those? Or have you been absolved
          by the scriptures?
          IS "SCRIPYURES" PLURAL IN THE ARABIC VERSION ?

          5452 And everything they had done, is in the scriptures.
          IS "SCRIPTURES" PLURAL IN THE ARABIC VERSION ?

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            3356 God and His angels commune over prophet. O you who believe,
            you shall commune over him, and comply completely.
            IS THERE A MISSING "THE" BEFORE PROPHET ?

            3446 Say ?I advise you to do one thing that you stand to God, in pairs
            and as individuals, then reflect. There is no madness in your friend, he is
            only a warner to you in the face of a severe retribution.?
            IS IT AN "AND" OR AN "OR" before "as individuals"
            can you please check in arabic ?

            3510 Whosoever is seeking pride, then know that to God belongs all
            Pride. To Him ascend the good words, and He elevates the good deed.
            And as for those who scheme evil, they will have a painful retribution,
            and their scheming will fail.
            is the word translated as "PRIDE" pride or dignity ?
            could any one check in Arabic ?

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              16120 Abraham was a nation, dutiful to God, a monotheist, and he was
              not of those who set up partners.
              ABRAHAM WAS A NATION ? PLEASE CHECK ARABIC TO SEE IF THE TRANSLATION IS CORRECT

              3220 And as for those who were wicked, their abode is the Fire. Every
              time they try to leave it, they will be put back in it, and it will be said to
              them ?Taste the retribution of the Fire in which you used to deny.?
              IN which you used to DENY ? is that english ? or is there in the arabic version
              some specific word that leads you to add IN

              3333 You shall settle down in your homes, and do not go about like
              in the olden days of ignorance. You shall hold the communion, and
              contribute towards betterment, and obey God and His messenger. God
              wishes to remove any affliction from you, O people of the Dwelling, and
              to purify you completely.
              WHAT DOES OLDEN MEAN ? OR IS IT A MISTAKE ?

              419 Say ?You are rejecting the One who created the Earth in two
              days, and you set up equals with Him. This is Lord of the worlds."
              IS THERE NO "THE" MISSING BEFORE "LORD" ?

              2284 To God is what is in the heavens and in Earth, and if you declare
              what is in your souls or hide it, God will call you to account for it. He
              will forgive whom He wishes, and punish whom He wishes, and God is
              capable of all things.

              WOULD A "WHETHER" NOT BE PREFERABLE TO THE "IF" ???

              1026 To those who do good work will be good and more, and their faces
              will not be darkened or humiliated. These are the people of Paradise, in it
              they will abide.

              3106 The Day on which faces will be whitened and faces will be
              blackened; as for those whose faces will be blackened ?Did you reject
              after believing? Taste the retribution for what you rejected.?
              3960 And on the Day of Resurrection you will see those who lied about
              God their faces will be blackened. Is there not an abode in Hell for the
              arrogant ones?

              COMPARE 1026 WITH 3106 AND 3960. "DARKENED" IS USED IN THE FIRST AND
              "BLACKENED" IN THE FOLLOWING TWO. IS THE WORD IN ARABIC THE SAME OR IS IT
              DIFFERENT ?

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                Peace

                Good point; but I would say it will deepen the division between us and the other Moslems. If you leave it that way, it will not effect the Message.

                The thing is I am not and I think we should not try to comply with what has happened so far.
                our aim should be truth. and truth is not democratic. the number of people supporting an idea
                will not make a falsehood , truth.
                moreover, Quantity is not necessarily Quality.
                All I have in mind is accuracy.

                Peace

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                  197 ?O Zachariah, We give you glad tidings of a son whose name is
                  John. We have not given that name before to anyone.?
                  WHAT DOES JOHN MEAN ?
                  SHOULD WE NOT HAVE A LIST OF ALL THE NAMES IN THE QURAN WITH THEIR DEFINITION
                  IN SOME APPENDIX. I THINK IT COULD HELP A LOT IN STUDYING THE QURAN.

                  ALSO AS WE KNOW FOR EXAMPLE THAT JOHN IS IN FACT YOCHANAN
                  and Moses is MOSHE
                  WHY DO WE NOT PUT THE HEBREW NAMES INSTEAD OF THOSE ANGLICIZED ONES ?
                  WOULD THAT BE ALTERING THE WORD OF GOD OR WOULD IT BE A NICE ENDEAVOUR ?

                  20101 They will remain therein, and miserable on the Day of Resurrection
                  is what they carry.
                  IN THE PDF FILES, THERE ARE SPACE CHARACTERS MISSING between words

                  20113 and 122
                  MAY BE THERE IS AN "AS" MISSING IN 122
                  THE VERSES ARE QUITE CLOSE.

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                    3754 Hesaid ?Can anyone find him??
                    MISSING SPACE CHARACTER BETWEEN "HE" AND "SAID"

                    384 And they were surprised that a warner has come to them from
                    among themselves. And the rejecters said ?This is amagician, a liar.?
                    SPACE CHARACTER MISSING BETWEEN "A" AND "MAGICIAN"

                    4828 He is the One who sent His messenger with the guidance and
                    the system of truth, so that it would expose all other systems. And God is
                    sufficient as a witness.
                    933 He is the One who sent His messenger with guidance and the
                    system of truth, to make it expose all other systems, even if those who set
                    up partners hate it.
                    THERE ARE SIMILARITIES IN THE 2 VERSES.
                    IN THE ARABIC VERSION ARE THE TWO EXPRESSIONS TRANSLATED
                    AS "so that it would expose all other systems" AND
                    "to make it expose all other systems" DIFFERENT OR THE SAME ?

                    5514 He created the human from a clay, like pottery.
                    IS THE "A" BEFORE "CLAY" IN ITS RIGHTFUL PLACE ? SHOULD IT BE THERE AT ALL ?
                    WE HAVE BEEN SAYING "FROM CLAY" SINCE THE BEGINNING.
                    PLEASE CHECK ARABIC VERSION.

                    5527 Andthe presence of your Lord will remain, the One with Majesty
                    and Honor.
                    MISSING SPACE CHARACTER BETWEEN "AND" AND "THE PRESENCE"

                    5711 Who will lend God a loan of goodness, to have it multiplied for
                    him manifold, and he will have a generous recompense?
                    5718 Surely, the charitable men and charitable women, who have
                    loaned God a loan of goodness, He will multiply their reward, and they
                    will have a generous recompense.
                    THERE ARE VERSES WHERE IT IS "LOAN OF RIGHTEOUSNESS".
                    ARE THE EXPRESSIONS TRANSLATED AS "LOAN OF GOODNESS"
                    AND "LOAN OF RIGHTEOUSNESS" THE SAME IN ARABIC ?

                    5822 You will not find any people who believe in God and the Last
                    Day leaning towards those who oppose God and His messenger, even
                    if they were their parents, or their children, or their siblings, or their
                    tribe. For these, He decrees faith into their hearts, and supports them
                    withSpirit from Him, and He admits them into paradises...
                    MISSING SPACE CHARACTER BETWEEN "WITH" AND "SPIRIT" AND
                    IT SEEMS THAT WE SHOULD WORK ON THAT PART OF THE VERSE.
                    IS IT "A SPIRIT" "THE SPIRIT" , PLEASE CHECK ARABIC.

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                      3442 So today, none of you can help or harm one another. And We will
                      sayto the transgressors ?Taste the retribution of the Fire that you used to
                      deny.?
                      "SAYTO" IS MISSING A SPACE CHARACTER BETWEEN "SAY" AND "TO"

                      3539 HeistheOnewhomadeyousuccessorsontheEarth. Subsequently,
                      whoever disbelieves, then to him is his disbelief...
                      SPACE CHARACTERS MISSING AT BEGINNIG OF VERSE

                      384 And they were surprised that a warner has come to them from
                      among themselves. And the rejecters said ?This is amagician, a liar.?
                      SPACE IS NEED BETWEEN "A" and "MAGICIAN"


                      3333 You shall settle down in your homes, and do not go about like
                      in the olden days of ignorance. You shall hold the communion, and
                      contribute towards betterment, and obey God and His messenger. God
                      wishes to remove any affliction from you, O people of the Dwelling, and
                      to purify you completely.

                      9125 As for those who have a disease in their hearts, it only increased
                      foulness to their foulness, and they died as rejecters.

                      7162 Those who were wicked amongst them altered what was said to
                      them with something different; so We sent to them an affliction from the
                      sky because they were wicked.

                      THE WORD TRANSLATED AS FOULNESS IN 9125, IS IT THE SAME AS THE ONE TRANSLATED AS AFFLICTION
                      IN 3333 and 7162

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