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I thought he said he is Quran alone... why you are posting sites about the Rasidiyya-Sect? )
What is the 'Rasidiyya sect'? I've never heard of such a group... The websites I posted are about the foundations of "Quran alone". Would you have rathered I posted some Sunni links?
Peace,
Ahmad
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peace,Kadeen.. thank you..
Discussion and debate are always useful to any group of people,its a progressive tool..the internet is a real blessing..Theres no hardship in the system of God (227,it`s natural and simple,if one puts that mental obstacle "hard to understand",he shall understand little..the system is simple,look inside yourself,believe in that moral code engraved within you,let your natural compass guide you,look around,assume as much mercy-654- and compassion in each detail of life you see each day,and you will find them,you will radiate them..
Believe and you shall receive,"knock on the door and it shall open to you."Peace,
Your welcome!
I agree discussion and debate and the internet are useful. Well its hard to understand at times. I see 2 salats and some see more, some see none. So its confussing at times. Just look around at all the different opinions for example. If its as plain and simple that is spoken of, then there would not be so many opinions amongst Quran Alone Submitters/Muslims. Because it would be plain to understand.
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What is the 'Rasidiyya sect'? I've never heard of such a group... The websites I posted are about the foundations of "Quran alone". Would you have rathered I posted some Sunni links?
Peace,
Ahmad
I believe he was referring to the sites that follow Rashid Khalifa.
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Peace Kadeen,
I believe he was referring to the sites that follow Rashid Khalifa.
I know what he's talking about, brother. This is his own innovation, as Rashad Khalifa never started a group known as "Rasidiyyas". I was simply addressing the fact that he's spreading nonsense. Rashad Khalifa never started his own sect, just like Muhammad or Jesus never started their own religions called Islam or Christianity... Rashad Khalifa called his followers by many names (i.e. submitters, believers, God aloners, Quran aloners, etc.), but Rasidiyyas was definately not one of them... It's amazing how many people condemn Rashad Khalifa, a supporter of preaching the doctrines of "Quran alone", even the so-called "Quran aloners". In reality, people could learn a lot from Rashad Khalifa's teachings and example, especially concerning his concept of "GOD ALONE QURAN ALONE"...
Peace,
Ahmad
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Peace Ahmad Bilal,
Sorry didnt mean to imply that you didnt know. It was in jest/sarcasm. )
I dont condemn Mr.Khalifa, I just dont follow everything the man taught. Yes I agree some of the things he taught were benificial to the God Alone/Quran Alone movement.
God Bless!
KadeenPeace Kadeen,
I know what he's talking about, brother. This is his own innovation, as Rashad Khalifa never started a group known as "Rasidiyyas". I was simply addressing the fact that he's spreading nonsense. Rashad Khalifa never started his own sect, just like Muhammad or Jesus never started their own religions called Islam or Christianity... Rashad Khalifa called his followers by many names (i.e. submitters, believers, God aloners, Quran aloners, etc.), but Rasidiyyas was definately not one of them... It's amazing how many people condemn Rashad Khalifa, a supporter of preaching the doctrines of "Quran alone", even the so-called "Quran aloners". In reality, people could learn a lot from Rashad Khalifa's teachings and example, especially concerning his concept of "GOD ALONE QURAN ALONE"...
Peace,
Ahmad
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I know what he's talking about, brother. This is his own innovation, as Rashad Khalifa never started a group known as "Rasidiyyas". I was simply addressing the fact that he's spreading nonsense. Rashad Khalifa never started his own sect, just like Muhammad or Jesus never started their own religions called Islam or Christianity... Rashad Khalifa called his followers by many names (i.e. submitters, believers, God aloners, Quran aloners, etc.), but Rasidiyyas was definately not one of them... It's amazing how many people condemn Rashad Khalifa, a supporter of preaching the doctrines of "Quran alone", even the so-called "Quran aloners". In reality, people could learn a lot from Rashad Khalifa's teachings and example, especially concerning his concept of "GOD ALONE QURAN ALONE"...
Once I heard a similar story about Wehab
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Once I heard a similar story about Wehab
Well, contrary to popular belief, Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab wasn't intending to start his own sect either. His followers later started idolizing him, after his death. He didn't base his doctrines on "alquran alone" either; he followed the hadith and sunna extremely closely, and his intention was ridding Islam of it's cultural practices and interpretations, especially the ones that conflicted with the hadith and sunna. Many followers later distorted, and even abandoned, some of his teachings. Others have enforced them to the extreme, to the point of being called extremists and terrorists... Wahhab's doctrine of what he considered pure monotheism forbade his followers from calling themselves "Wahhabis", which is why they still don't use this term today. Instead, they call themselves "al-Muwahhidun", "Salaafi", "Salaafi Daa'wa", or "Ahl al-Sunna wa'al-Jamaa"...
When did Rashad Khalifa instruct his followers to call themselves "Khalifites", "Rasidiyyas", "19ers", or anything else like this? You are preaching an innovation, and none of your words justify your claim of them being labeled by this title, no matter how much you talk about it. You'll never find a submitter calling himself a "19er" or a "Rasidiyya", not ever. Maybe you should take this into consideration when determining your choice of names (or labels) for people...
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Peace,Kadeen,
Your welcome!
I agree discussion and debate and the internet are useful. Well its hard to understand at times. I see 2 salats and some see more, some see none. So its confussing at times. Just look around at all the different opinions for example. If its as plain and simple that is spoken of, then there would not be so many opinions amongst Quran Alone Submitters/Muslims. Because it would be plain to understand.
PeaceLife would be so empty and meaningless if things were"obvious" and "plain",it
s struggling what gives our lives a meaning,we struggle for better understanding of the world,understanding ourselves and the purpose of our lives,does it matter how many times we pray a day?does it matter if prayer is physical or not?please ponder what God is saying"Recite what is inspired to you of the Scripture, and hold the communion, for the communion prohibits evil and vice; but certainly the remembrance of God is the greatest. God knows everything you do."(4529) I think remembering God,by struggling to prohibit evil and vice,is greater than numbers and rituals,for numbers and riuals are blind,salat is an act of awareness,of activism..and believers are ranks according to their dedication and devotion... People will always be different"had God willed, He would have made you all one nation, but He tests you with what He has given you; so strive to do good. To God you will return all of you, and He will inform you regarding that in which you dispute."(485) It doesnt matter if we have different opinions about goodness,its simply goodness what matters.. All I can say to you,dear Kadeen,is what I believe,listen to the voice of your heart,and open your mind and eyes to the goodness in all Gods actions in the world... -
Peace sa`adah,
I dont disagree with what you said about struggling.
Does it matter how many times we pray a day? Depends-if its dua(regular prayer) than no, if its a commanded communion(salat) in which we do to remember Our God and have private contact with Him, and If He gives us times to do it, then I would say, Yes its very important that we follow His will and not our own.
I see that salat is to be peformed at specific times and that we are also to remember God at all times.
Then, when you have finished the 'salaat', then remember God while standing and sitting and on your sides. Then, when you have become secured/safe, then maintain the 'salaat'; so the 'salaat' is decreed for the believers at specific/appointed times. (4103)I agree we should remember God at all times and trying to prohibit evil and vice is very very important.
Rituals are only blind if we allow the ritual to become anything other than glorifying and remembering God.
I agree, salat should be an act of awareness of activism, but I would add that it be dedicated to God Alone.
Yes I agree,believers are according to their dedication and devotion.
I agree, we are all different and not one nation and yes its true that God tests us.
I dont think I said we shouldnt strive to do good or that we cant have different opinions of what goodness is. But since you brought it up, I believe we should strive to do Good,Especially as God describes it and not according to what we think it should mean. Some people kill in the name of what they believe is good, that doesnt make it good or acceptable to God.
Yes that is true you may say what you believe, I didnt say you couldnt. But I can also say what I believe, if I am wrong may God have mercy on me and show me the right way. And if I discover I am wrong in my views, I have no problem saying I was wrong or that I now see it differently. I have said that several times to myself already since I have been on these boards.
I believe my mind is open or I would still be a non practicing protestant(Christian sect) and not here seeking truth or searching Gods Message in the Quran.
I am all for the Good actions God has to offer...we all should be.Peace and God Bless!
KadeenPeace,Kadeen,
Life would be so empty and meaningless if things were"obvious" and "plain",it
s struggling what gives our lives a meaning,we struggle for better understanding of the world,understanding ourselves and the purpose of our lives,does it matter how many times we pray a day?does it matter if prayer is physical or not?please ponder what God is saying"Recite what is inspired to you of the Scripture, and hold the communion, for the communion prohibits evil and vice; but certainly the remembrance of God is the greatest. God knows everything you do."(4529) I think remembering God,by struggling to prohibit evil and vice,is greater than numbers and rituals,for numbers and riuals are blind,salat is an act of awareness,of activism..and believers are ranks according to their dedication and devotion... People will always be different"had God willed, He would have made you all one nation, but He tests you with what He has given you; so strive to do good. To God you will return all of you, and He will inform you regarding that in which you dispute."(485) It doesnt matter if we have different opinions about goodness,its simply goodness what matters.. All I can say to you,dear Kadeen,is what I believe,listen to the voice of your heart,and open your mind and eyes to the goodness in all Gods actions in the world...