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BRING your best argument to prove resurrection is a fact and not fantasy

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    ibn_a
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    Salaam,

    Hello

    Arnold has already written a good article on the hereafter a scientific approach.

    http//deenresearchusa-com.web26.winsvr.net/Blogs/tabid/73/EntryId/25/al-Akhira-the-new-higher-evolved-universe-A-scientific-approach-to-the-Hereafter.aspx

    This link does not work, does anyone know if this article is still available somewhere?

    Thanks in advance.

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      imrankhawaja
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      there is confirm evidence of RED giants star were once bright star like our SUN. bow they consume all of their energy and hence turned it red giants stages after that will be supernova,blackholes etc called seath and birth of stars.

      OUR sun is at its mature age not a young star anymore and this maturity will last roughly 5 billion years more.

      sooner or later its coming and its confirmed our sun will die one day.

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        ibn_a
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        Salaam,

        there is confirm evidence of RED giants star were once bright star like our SUN. bow they consume all of their energy and hence turned it red giants stages after that will be supernova,blackholes etc called seath and birth of stars.

        OUR sun is at its mature age not a young star anymore and this maturity will last roughly 5 billion years more.

        sooner or later its coming and its confirmed our sun will die one day.

        Peace Imran,

        Thanks, but was more looking for information about the "concept of resurrection" and a link to this article

        https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9597780.0

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          almarh0m
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          Peace

          Resurrection is definitely not a fact yet, because it is still to happen( be proven). At this stage we could honestly say that resurrection is a fiction which should activate the imagination of people who believes in the Qur'an. Because it is not a fact yet, we take this belief on faith alone.

          Peace

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            good_logic
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            Peace almarh0m.

            For me. I speak from my point of view, hereafter is a certainty. Absolutely no doubt about it. Why do I say that

            1-I do not believe in Qoran through faith. I have a solid proof it is from GOD. -My proof according to my research/study/experience in my life-. My own experience through testing certain facts and information in Qoran.

            2- Therefore it leads to certainty about my creator and the message I have how to connect with and involve GOD in my life.
            This leads to a different certainty of feelings and happenings in my life that have shown me ,without a doubt, that GOD exists and that what Qoran says is true and that GOD will let you know for sure to make you more certain.

            3- HOW? --Wa Ubud Rabbaka Hatta Yatiyaka Al Yakeen- There is a promise in there that certainty will come to you if you submit, follow Qoran, connect to the creator and stay the distance of the trial. This is subjective to our conviction and can change if we change.

            4- Therefore I an certain there is a hereafter after we die. i.e YAWMU ALQUIYAMA- A resurrection and a judgement with a new classification of Jinns and Ins.
            My understanding and experience with Qoran brother.
            GOD bless you.
            Peace.

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              Mahdi_Ibrahim
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              When their Messengers brought them the Clear Signs ,

              https//scontent.fkul1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/53408347_2300334913516420_4350748716332744704_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_ht=scontent.fkul1-1.fna&oh=6056ff4e599caf178e15c15a51db458d&oe=5CDAB43E

              they exulted in the knowledge they had

              and then were engulfed by the very things they mocked.

              When they saw Our violent force, they said, ´We have iman in Allah/Sunnatullah/Nature ALONE and reject what we associated (FORCED JUSTICE) with Him (NATURAL JUSTICE).´

              But when they saw Our violent force their iman was of no use to them.This is the sunnatullah of Allah established upon His servants for ages! Then and there the kafirun were lost.

              (4083-85)

              On that Day, We shall ask Hell, Are you now full? Hell will answer, Are there any more?

              (5030)

              FORMULA

              If Allah guides someone (nature // natural person // natural justice = Paradise),

              THEN he cannot be misguided (unnature // animalistic person // forced justice = Hell).

              (3937)

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                ibn_a
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                Salaam / Peace

                Thanks almarh0m, good logic and Mahdi Ibrahim,

                but was more searching for the (how) "concept of resurrection" in the Quran.

                e.g. this topic "Judgement Day & The Resurrection"

                https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603462.msg292389#msg292389

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                  but was more searching for the (how) "concept of resurrection" in the Quran.

                  Math Reality

                  1. You must accept Allah as Energy.

                  E Knowledge

                  1. You must understand our only existence is Consciousness (dreams). There is no reality but Energy.

                  2. You must understand that Energy makes certain the Law of Cause & Effect.

                  Ism Value

                  1. You must understand in order to wake up from this dream/illusion/insanity, you need to align your nature with NATURE/Eco+Logic, ie. solat and jihad against false self (self-deception, forced justice).

                  Conclusion

                  1. Judgement Day & The Resurrection IS CERTAIN. For everything is "0" and manifested/borrowed, and there is The "1" in the Afterlife; where you should return.

                  https//scontent.fkul7-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/53364353_2301447676738477_6590360044192137216_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_ht=scontent.fkul7-1.fna&oh=4f67a220275b0b7ebde04957b6341897&oe=5D10245D

                  https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9610505.0

                  That's how you make the argument against the disbeliever of the Sunnatullah/Way of Allah/Nature/Natural Order.

                  But when they saw Our violent force their iman was of no use to them.This is the sunnatullah of Allah established upon His servants for ages! Then and there the kafirun were lost.

                  (4083-85)

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                    ibn_a
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                    Salaam,

                    Math Reality

                    1. You must accept Allah as Energy.

                    ...

                    Peace Mahdi Ibrahim,

                    How would you explain this verse ( part in red )

                    https//www.islamawakened.com/quran/42/11/default.htm

                    (The) Creator (of) the heavens and the earth. He made for you from yourselves, mates, and among the cattle mates; He multiplies you thereby. (There) is not like Him anything, and (is) the All-Hearer, the All-Seer.

                    ...
                    Conclusion

                    1. Judgement Day & The Resurrection IS CERTAIN. For everything is "0" and manifested/borrowed, and there is The "1" in the Afterlife; where you should return.

                    ...

                    Not about certainty or doubt, but trying to understand the "concept of resurrection" from the Quran.

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                      Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                      Salaam,

                      Peace Mahdi Ibrahim,

                      How would you explain this verse ( part in red )

                      https//www.islamawakened.com/quran/42/11/default.htm

                      (The) Creator (of) the heavens and the earth. He made for you from yourselves, mates, and among the cattle mates; He multiplies you thereby. (There) is not like Him anything, and (is) the All-Hearer, the All-Seer.

                      فَاطِرُ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ جَعَلَ لَكُم مِّنْ أَنفُسِكُمْ أَزْوَاجًا وَمِنَ الْأَنْعَامِ أَزْوَاجًا يَذْرَؤُكُمْ فِيهِ لَيْسَ كَمِثْلِهِ شَيْءٌ وَهُوَ السَّمِيعُ الْبَصِيرُ

                      Not about certainty or doubt, but trying to understand the "concept of resurrection" from the Quran.

                      I call it cherry picking

                      Do you then believe in a part of the Book and disbelieve in the other? (285)

                      Premise "None equals Him" BUT....

                      When he came to the Fire he was called "O Moses. I (FIRE) am ALLAH!" (Quran 2013)

                      (Like the fire of Moses which he saw as what he needed. It was Allah but he did not perceive it.)

                      Moses said ‘ LordLaw of the East and West and everything between them. If you would only use your reason!&#039 (Quran 262​

                      Other premises

                      Allah is the "Light (Energy)". (Quran 2435)

                      لا إله إلا الله

                      لا إله (No God/Matter)
                      إلا الله (Only Energy)​

                      Chapter 112 Law of Conservation of Energy

                      1. Say He, "Energy", is One (1).
                      2. "Energy", the Absolute (1 & 0).
                      3. "Energy" did not reproduce (cannot be destroyed), and "Energy" was not born (cannot be created).
                      4. And none (0) is like "Energy" (1).​

                      Allah is the LordLaw of the Universe. (Quran 12)

                      That is Allah your LordLaw. There is no LordLaw but Him the Creator of everything . So serve Him . He is responsible for everything . (Quran 6102)

                      That is Allah your LordLaw the Creator of everything . There is no LordLaw but Him — so how can you be so deluded? (Quran 4062)​

                      What is man?

                      Man from a clot (higgs boson) / magnetic particles (atoms). (Quran 962)

                      Light upon light (transformation of Energy). (Quran 2435)

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