What is it about white people
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Peace Samia,
This is exactly the point. The concept of Noah cursing Ham and all his descendants to be black-skinned people is a complete mistranslation, misinterpretation, and fabrication, prompted by "white people" who wanted to make their race superior. The claim that white people were the originals and "blackness" is a curse is totally unfounded... Now, it's unreasonable for us to say that black-skinned people started this myth - it's pretty obvious that "white people" did it. And they CONTINUE to do it. That's why nearly every orthodox Christian church in America depicts a white Jesus. Nearly every orthodox Islaamic mosque in the Middle East, America, and Europe depicts a white Muhammad. Nearly every orthodox Jewish synagogue (the ones that are allowed to post pictures, since many aren't) depicts a white Moses. These prophets look EUROPEAN, even though none of them were from Europe or had European ancestry. This is the "racist" aspect of religious dogma. Addressing the issue is NOT racist at all...
People often say that the color/race of the people and the prophets is UNIMPORTANT, but this is ridiculous. If it wasn't important, then they wouldn't display a picture at all. Instead,they do display a picture, and they display it with a pale-skinned, white face. But try walking into any religious establishment of the orthodox Abrahamic religions and paint pictures of black-skinned prophets, and the people will probably throw stones! You don't think it's strange that white people have attempted to "whitewash" every aspect of religion throughout the world? You don't think it's strange that they've built the biggest following in organized religion ("Christianity", turning BILLIONS of people away from the straight path of monotheism and convincing them to worship Jesus? Even in modern Islaam, white people have convinced over a BILLION people to idolize Muhammad and follow the hadiths and sunna in place of the Qur'aan. In Judaism, white people (especially Ashkenazi Jews) have convinced MILLIONS to discard the Torah, and instead, they should only follow the wisdom of the rabbis! This stuff doesn't sound alarming to you? Although some of them are believers, most of them are stern objectors to the truth. They sound alarmingly similar to another group mentioned in the Qur'aan, "al-jinn"...
Peace,
Ahmad
Good post
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And to be clear, I personally don't believe that anyone should feel guilty for having a certain socio-political privilege;
Exactly. It is those who grant them their unfair privileges who should feel guilty. All people should be treated equally. This means that there should be no White privilege, affirmative action and other evils that discriminate against people on the basis of immaterial things like race, gender, sexuality, etc.
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No it's just some white people fail to realize how slavery and years of oppression against groups of people have propelled them to where they are today and how much it is still affecting others. Noone is blaming you. A famous guy once said "White people just had a 400 year head start"
I don't know if the suffering of other groups of people can be blamed on the actions of White people of the past. My country Pakistan isn't a violent hellhole because of colonialism. White people don't make Pakistanis blow up hotels and Mosques and White colonialists didn't tell the retard Zulfiqar Bhutto to ruin Pakistan's economy by nationalizing all of Pakistan's industries.
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Perhaps White people are benefiting from the crimes of some White people of the past, but that still doesn't make it reasonable to expect them to feel guilty. Yes, they should do their best to undo the damage done by some White people of the past, but it'd be completely unjust and unreasonable to blame them for what some White people did in the past. Oh and I'm not White.
When in my post did I ever say white people should feel guilty? And I never concluded your white, I was just using an example. When did I ever blame white people today for the crimes that their ancestors did? Your putting words in my mouth
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Peace,
Here some stuff white people like http//stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/full-list-of-stuff-white-people-like/ yay
laugh
Here's one of my faves on a similar frequency
http//www.blackpeopleloveus.com/
It's totally satirical, but you wouldn't believe some of the reactions it gets.
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Exactly. It is those who grant them their unfair privileges who should feel guilty. All people should be treated equally. This means that there should be no White privilege, affirmative action and other evils that discriminate against people on the basis of immaterial things like race, gender, sexuality, etc.
The original motive and use of affirmative action in the U.S. is not to discriminate against others, but help the marginalized bust through glass ceilings that have been put in place by the privileged.....but whatever. This could go on for days, and everyone's entitled to their own opinion, and I accept that.
Anyhoo, I've got some doing to do, so I'll be bowing out now.
Ma'salaama,
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The original motive and use of affirmative action in the U.S. is not to discriminate against others, but help the marginalized bust through glass ceilings that have been put in place by the privileged.....but whatever.
That might be the motive behind affirmative action, but motives and actions don't always correlate. Affirmative action is discrimination, period. True, it's the kind of discrimination that looks good and seems fair, but it's still ugly discrimination.
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That might be the motive behind affirmative action, but motives and actions don't always correlate. Affirmative action is discrimination, period. True, it's the kind of discrimination that looks good and seems fair, but it's still ugly discrimination.
I agree. It's not the best way to "help the marginalized burst through the glass ceilings."
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Peace,
Affirmative action isn't what a lot of us think it is.
Only .5% of the scholarship budget at most universities is devoted to affirmative action. Furthermore, for every student that gets in through affirmative action 2 other students will get in through "connections." The university I went to had maybe 100 Black students and 200 Hispanic students out of a total population of 20,000. The rest of the students were White, Asian, Indian, or Jewish. Our school offers affirmative action.
Furthermore, most students from disadvantaged backgrounds are forced to go through the worst public school systems where a lot of the classes that are required for college such as Algebra 2 or Calculus are not even available. I'm sure if these students had the chance to go to better public schools that only exist in nicer neighborhoods, or had the money to go private schools they would be able to score just as well as the rest of their more privileged peers. Keep in mind that affirmative action, at least in California, takes into account more than ethnicity. Family income, neighborhoods, and other factors are involved when a decision is based on affirmative action.
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Peace,
Affirmative action isn't what a lot of us think it is.
Only .5% of the scholarship budget at most universities is devoted to affirmative action. Furthermore, for every student that gets in through affirmative action 2 other students will get in through "connections." The university I went to had maybe 100 Black students and 200 Hispanic students out of a total population of 20,000. The rest of the students were White, Asian, Indian, or Jewish. Our school offers affirmative action.
Furthermore, most students from disadvantaged backgrounds are forced to go through the worst public school systems where a lot of the classes that are required for college such as Algebra 2 or Calculus are not even available. I'm sure if these students had the chance to go to better public schools that only exist in nicer neighborhoods, or had the money to go private schools they would be able to score just as well as the rest of their more privileged peers. Keep in mind that affirmative action, at least in California, takes into account more than ethnicity. Family income, neighborhoods, and other factors are involved when a decision is based on affirmative action.
So affirmative action is pretty much useless? I don't know how much money if any the government puts into it but they'd be better off spending it on other things.
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So affirmative action is pretty much useless? I don't know how much money if any the government puts into it but they'd be better off spending it on other things.
Peace, brother,
Kind of like the school programs "Head Start" followed up with "No Child Left Behind".
Someone screwed up.
Peace and blessings.
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Peace,
So affirmative action is pretty much useless? I don't know how much money if any the government puts into it but they'd be better off spending it on other things.
Lets just say the chances of any of us losing a seat to a "minority" student that is supposedly "dumber" than us, is incredibly tiny. Affirmative action receives such little funding that it is pretty much irrelevant (although a few universities have "larger" affirmative action programs, this is the exception not the norm). Money would be better spent fixing the broken public school system that currently exists in the United States. If you don't live in a decent neighborhood or have the money for private school, your screwed.
I also agree that this thread should be shut down.
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And even though only a tiny bit of money is spent on affirmative action, it's still completely wrong. Even a tiny bit of poison is bad so why take any of it?
Yes, it's completely wrong that some people get into universities through "connections", but one wrong doesn't justify another kind of wrong. I think the best ways to help the under-privileged are zakat (betterment) and to help increase their self-efficacy.
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Im surprised this thread hasnt been closed yet.
If I started a negative thread titled "What Is It About The Arabs?"
Im sure it would have probably been locked by the 2nd thread.
Peace,
Look at who's saying what. You'll find out who works for God and who doesn't.
It is very informative. Be at peace, please. God knows all men and women's hearts. Their actions here won't be overlooked come Judgement Day.
Racism, no matter who it is directed towards, is against the Quran. We were warned there would be unbelievers calling themselves believers.
Surah 28-9
Peace and blessings.
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If were gonna have the "No Child left behind scam" we better have affirmative actions since no child left behind is crippling minorities even further