Was Islam (based in the world now) a hindu concuction?
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"""I find hinduism full of rituals and traditions which have zero output for the benefit of people in general"""
Everything in this world has some reason, most of their ritual has some kind of reasoning that they evolved centuries back and has some necessity in some point of time. Hindus, I can say are mostly nature worshippers and most of their rituals safeguard the environment they live.
Onething I want you to do is become a farmer yourself and you would see how important are some rituals that they practice.
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simple-Well if hinduism it self hasn't produced much , what can you expect from their concuction.
A thief will always think with the brain of a thief, and i don't mean they are thieves.
Well, I will leave the functioning of the brain of a thief to u -- u do seem to speak from personal conviction. But what I would like to know is this what do u do mean "them" to be?
sorry i didn't get that.
I find hinduism full of rituals and traditions which have zero output for the benefit of people in general, while the quran does away with rituals of any kind and compels people to do good for the benefit of humanity at large.
Of course people who now find the originaters of Islam to be Hindus will feel an attraction to it as well, so they don't have to relinquish the things they are doing
Do u know anything more about hinduism, islaam & quraan? Like, maybe, that the the originator of islaam would be no different than the originator of quraan. But a muslim would know. -)
The originators of the modern day Islam and the quran are quite different.
In Islam you can drink a jugfull of piss every morning (check bukhari) for health, while the quran doesn't encourage any such thing.
& since u like to offer analogies (without meaning anything) , I will offer u one from the quraan. Only, this one is full of meaning mufsidoon seek fasaad.
I think we all know the people who seek fasaad, one merely has to look around the world to see who are seekers of fasaad.
ma'a salaam.
God bless all.
al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen
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"""I find hinduism full of rituals and traditions which have zero output for the benefit of people in general"""
Everything in this world has some reason, most of their ritual has some kind of reasoning that they evolved centuries back and has some necessity in some point of time. Hindus, I can say are mostly nature worshippers and most of their rituals safeguard the environment they live.
Onething I want you to do is become a farmer yourself and you would see how important are some rituals that they practice.
So all the farmers aroung the globe follow so many rituals/ time wasters or is it just the hindus with so many of them. And they follow their priests rather then looking for answers from their people more learned in knowledge.
hypno
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What ritual you call as a time waster? can you cite en example? and time wasting is not a sin?
Hinduism as a religion cannot be compared with Islam.
hindus not call themselves as one sect, theres no common book, no common festivals, what we see as hindusim is a collection of sects who grouped themselves for some compulsions like alien occupation of their land and culture. majority hindus are more secular(accepting others among themselves) than anyone else.
hindus are changing , but traditional majority muslims cannot as theres a heaven waiting for them if they act and walk like mohammed.
And one more question, how many hindu friends do you have? I hope you are not those who say befriending them is a SIN?
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salam
there is an article on safar`s site, where it says that "Allah" is sanskrit word, close to the word "mother". What u can say about this? -
simple-In Islam you can drink a jugfull of piss every morning (check bukhari) for health, while the quran doesn't encourage any such thing.
The works of bukhari have a lot to do with sunnism....or shafiism.
& islaam & the quraan are not the works of any such firqa. & not of hindus & christians.
That said, I hope u are not hostile towards "hinduism". & I wonder how different it is from judaism.
ma'a salaam.
God bless all.
al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen
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simple-In Islam you can drink a jugfull of piss every morning (check bukhari) for health, while the quran doesn't encourage any such thing.
The works of bukhari have a lot to do with sunnism....or shafiism.
No , "The sunnis, shafii's, shias." All are following Islam and they all have a lot to do with hinduism as they all believe in such hadith's to my knowledge and it is them who make up the followers of Islam.
Vyasa said
Cows are sacred. They are embodiments of merit. They are
high and most efficacious cleansers of all.
One should for three days drink the hot urine of the cow.
http//www.hinduism.co.za/cowsare.htm.
& islaam & the quraan are not the works of any such firqa. & not of hindus & christians.
That said, I hope u are not hostile towards "hinduism". & I wonder how different it is from judaism.
Islam or Hadith followers are all either Sunnies or Shias and such.
Quran followers don't follow Islam (capital I) but try to practice islam.
ma'a salaam.
God bless all.
al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen
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salam
there is an article on safar`s site, where it says that "Allah" is sanskrit word, close to the word "mother". What u can say about this?Can you please give a link.
peace
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simple-No , "The sunnis, shafii's, shias." All are following Islam and they all have a lot to do with hinduism as they all believe in such hadith's to my knowledge and it is them who make up the followers of Islam.
Islam or Hadith followers are all either Sunnies or Shias and such.
Quran followers don't follow Islam (capital I) but try to practice islam.
More than one deen
1091 Say 'O kaafiroon, I serve not what you serve
1092 and you are not serving what I serve,
1093 nor am I serving what you have served,
1094 neither are you serving what I serve
1095 To you your religion (deen), and to me my religion (deen)!'One islaam
385 Whoso desires another religion (deen) than Islam (al-islaam), it shall not be accepted of him; in the next world he shall be among the losers.
Then, as far as my knowledge of the quraan goes, there is no difference between islaam & Islaam.
If u believe there are two versions of islaam (one of which is followed by sunnis, shiites & such) then I concede u must have come across a verse in the quraan regarding it. Please share the verse here.
ma'a salaam.
God bless all.
al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen
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ibrahim-khalil-there is an article on safar`s site, where it says that "Allah" is sanskrit word, close to the word "mother". What u can say about this?
Well, far as I have read him, safar shows the world what real islaam (sujood, kaaba et al) is.
Only, he has an affinity for anything not related to quraan.
ma'a salaam.
God bless all.
al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen
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Sorry Br,
there is not one Islam.
The Islam practiced by sunnis,shias and the res isn't anything to do with That depicted in the quran-i think.What they practice
Islam includes many religious practices. Adherents are generally required to observe the Five Pillars of Islam, which are five duties that unite Muslims into a community. In addition to the Five Pillars, Islamic law (sharia) has developed a tradition of rulings that touch on virtually all aspects of life and society. This tradition encompasses everything from practical matters like dietary laws and banking to warfare and welfare.
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam
Now if you want to know what Islam is in the quran Talk to Ayman (i agree with him) or look in the quran every where the word Islam accurs and look to the context to see what it refers to.
It's too simple with an open heart.
But incomrehensible with a closed heart.
And to you your way and to me mine.
God Bless.
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Well, I guess that means u couldn't find any verse to back up ur claim. Never mind. -)
ma'a salaam.
God bless all.
al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'alaameen
If u believe there are two versions of islaam (one of which is followed by sunnis, shiites & such) then I concede u must have come across a verse in the quraan regarding it. Please share the verse here.
Islaam which is followed by sunnis, shiites e.t.c doesn't exist in the quran because they came after the quran and not before.
As did someone called Muhammad the man after the quran and not before.
As did the 5 pillars e.t.c
if you are so sure of yourself , you show the 5 pillars in the quran.hypno
Salaams.
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simple-Islaam which is followed by sunnis, shiites e.t.c doesn't exist in the quran because they came after the quran and not before.
Islaam which is "followed" by sunnis, shiites, etc does not exist in the quraan because sunnis, shiites, etc don't "follow" islaam. What sunnis, shiites, etc "follow" is sunnism, shiism, etc.
Only one islaam. -)
As did someone called Muhammad the man after the quran and not before.
Who are the christians who wrote the quraan?
Let me know ur views on how & when the quraan was authored. If u have a view.
As did the 5 pillars e.t.c
if you are so sure of yourself , you show the 5 pillars in the quran.When did I talk about a peg, leave alone "5 pillars"?
I guess it is easier to make claims than to back them up with verses from the quraan. Islaam with a capital I and a small i -- the funny case of two islaams. I enjoyed it, thanks. -)
ma'a salaam.
God bless all.
al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen
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Salaams Br,
Islaam which is "followed" by sunnis, shiites, etc does not exist in the quraan because sunnis, shiites, etc don't "follow" islaam. What sunnis, shiites, etc "follow" is sunnism, shiism, etc.
Only one islaam. -)
You are contradicting the definition the world is giving Islam.
Islam according to a dictionary;
Islam includes many religious practices. Adherents are generally required to observe the Five Pillars of Islam, which are five duties that unite Muslims into a community. In addition to the Five Pillars, Islamic law (sharia) has developed a tradition of rulings that touch on virtually all aspects of life and society. This tradition encompasses everything from practical matters like dietary laws and banking to warfare and welfare.
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam
I agree with you on the point that the islam in the quran is not the Islam followed by the Sunni and Shia Muslims.
Who are the christians who wrote the quraan?
Let me know ur views on how & when the quraan was authored. If u have a view.
Waraqa knew Muhammad for some 15 years,
When first revelation came, His wife Khadijah ran to her cousin Waraqah ibn Nawfal who was a believer, and had already become a Christian and had translated part of the Evangel into Arabic.
And according to Christian analysts;
http//answering-islam.org.uk/Index/W/waraqa.html
But what is interesting to me is why suddenly on the death of waraqa inspiration to Muhammad stopped for some 3 years!
http//answering-islam.org.uk/Quran/Sources/waraqa.html
http//www.christoph-heger.de/Waraqa.html
When did I talk about a peg, leave alone "5 pillars"?
I guess it is easier to make claims than to back them up with verses from the quraan. Islaam with a capital I and a small i -- the funny case of two islaams. I enjoyed it, thanks. -)
As Islam I have explained above here is islam;
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=13069.0
God Bless All.
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simple-You are contradicting the definition the world is giving Islam.
Islam according to a dictionary;
Islam includes many religious practices. Adherents are generally required to observe the Five Pillars of Islam, which are five duties that unite Muslims into a community. In addition to the Five Pillars, Islamic law (sharia) has developed a tradition of rulings that touch on virtually all aspects of life and society. This tradition encompasses everything from practical matters like dietary laws and banking to warfare and welfare.
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam
- The world definition of christian is
one who professes belief in the teachings of Jesus Christ
Was it a teaching of the christ that he was god &/or son of god?
-I agree with you on the point that the islam in the quran is not the Islam followed by the Sunni and Shia Muslims.
- I am saying that sunnism or shiism is a firqa, and as such does not represent islaam.
6159 They who make a division in their religion (deen), and become sectaries, have thou nothing to do with them; their affair belongeth only unto God. Hereafter shall He declare unto them that which they have done.
-Waraqa knew Muhammad for some 15 years,
When first revelation came, His wife Khadijah ran to her cousin Waraqah ibn Nawfal who was a believer, and had already become a Christian and had translated part of the Evangel into Arabic.
And according to Christian analysts;
http//answering-islam.org.uk/Index/W/waraqa.html
But what is interesting to me is why suddenly on the death of waraqa inspiration to Muhammad stopped for some 3 years!
http//answering-islam.org.uk/Quran/Sources/waraqa.html
http//www.christoph-heger.de/Waraqa.html
- What is this?
-As Islam I have explained above here is islam;
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=13069.0
- Does it make a case for multiple islaams?
There is only one deen accetable with God al-islaam. And when u deviate from this deen, u have taken up a different deen.
1095 To you your religion (deen), and to me my religion (deen)!'
In other words, only that deen which is acceptable with God can be called islaam. Any other deen has nothing to do with islaam, & any other deen cannot be called islaam.
385 Whoso desires another religion (deen) than Islam (al-islaam), it shall not be accepted of him; in the next world he shall be among the losers.
6159 They who make a division in their religion (deen), and become sectaries, have thou nothing to do with them; their affair belongeth only unto God. Hereafter shall He declare unto them that which they have done.
I think it is better to come up with quraanic assertions & challenge world definitions of "islaam" & "christian". Rather than come up with world concept of "multiple islaams" & challenge the quraan. Innit?
ma'a salaam.
God bless all.
al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen
- The world definition of christian is
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Salaam Br,
Br you have to go by the reality of things.
If the world calls a certain fruit a ?Banaana? then we call it that .- The world definition of christian is
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one who professes belief in the teachings of Jesus Christ
Was it a teaching of the christ that he was god &/or son of god?
It wasn?t the teaching of God , but we have to go by this definition as this is how people in general understand it.
- I am saying that sunnism or shiism is a firqa, and as such does not represent islaam.
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6159 They who make a division in their religion (deen), and become sectaries, have thou nothing to do with them; their affair belongeth only unto God. Hereafter shall He declare unto them that which they have done.
Islam in the world is literally taken to be according to the definition given above , by the dictionary so that is the norm.
Your islam of the quran even though correct according to the quranic detail isn?t what is called Islam in the world.So although we use the proper definition at free-minds , it is incorrect in the real world.In other words, only that deen which is acceptable with God can be called islaam. Any other deen has nothing to do with islaam, & any other deen cannot be called islaam.
If the world decides to give the word a different definition ? they can, who are we to argue.
385 Whoso desires another religion (deen) than Islam (al-islaam), it shall not be accepted of him; in the next world he shall be among the losers.
6159 They who make a division in their religion (deen), and become sectaries, have thou nothing to do with them; their affair belongeth only unto God. Hereafter shall He declare unto them that which they have done.
Absolutely true. This is about the meaning of the word and not merely about the verbal sounds of a word or what it is called.
I think it is better to come up with quraanic assertions & challenge world definitions of "islaam" & "christian". Rather than come up with world concept of "multiple islaams" & challenge the quraan. Innit?
You cannot teach the whole world the meaning according to the quran of a word- its impossible.
Although if it was possible you would be a new prophet-indeed you would be.
God Bless.
- The world definition of christian is