Is ablution dangerous to health?
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Peace,
What's wrong with performing "wudhu" under these circumstances, as long as you have the necessary materials to perform it? The Qur'aan gives all the details concerning this practice. As long as we are comfortably capable of performing "wudhu", we should be performing it. Other factors (such as travel) are taken into account and explained in the scriptures, when "wudhu" is not advised or commanded. This is more proof that it is moreso a test of our obedience, rather than a ritual of physical cleanliness.
Peace,
Ahmad
Salaams Ahmed,
a person climbing mnt everest will freez his balls off and other things- it is so cold. every time they break their wudu they must do it again for salaat!!!!!!!!
And doing wudu without using soap can be most dangerouse to health-as you start on your face and things with wet hands.
Now isn't that enough?
God Bless.
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hi.
simple has a sharper point, i was addressing an everday situation.
"AB - What's wrong with performing "wudhu" under these circumstances, .." well i am not sure to call it wrong, but the answer to this topic's title (question) moves to 'yes' territory in my mind.
(therefore) sometimes i may prefer to consider ablution as not broken, depending on the circumstances, thinking Quran is not against it.
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Peace "simple",
hmm
I can't believe some people, but i think the fingers that where on the Arse and then in your nose a few minuites later is enough to put wudu out of my mind , knowing what these bacteria will do to my health when we don't have soap or something like it. And just think when Islam was established ......there wasn't any soap or was there.
peace
JK- Now your taking it a bit too far. So you mean to say that people back then should never have washed their faces or never touched any food with their bare hands? You cant be serious. They might not have had soap but something similar not as efficient but good enough to get by. Ppl in the past were not that dumb either. GOD Bless!
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Peace "simple",
JK- Now your taking it a bit too far. So you mean to say that people back then should never have washed their faces or never touched any food with their bare hands? You cant be serious. They might not have had soap but something similar not as efficient but good enough to get by. Ppl in the past were not that dumb either. GOD Bless!
Salaams Br,
Hands to food
Usually germs are transmitted from unclean hands to food by an infected food preparer who didn?t wash his or her hands after using the toilet.http//www.health.state.mn.us/handhygiene/why/5ways.html
Poor hygiene practices mean that millions of people are harbouring germs because they haven't washed and dried their hands after using the toilet. Wet hands pick up more germs than dry ones, and transfer them more readily, so drying hands is just as important as washing them with soap and hot water.
http//www.rsph.org.uk/en/latest-news/press-releases/press-release1.cfm/pid/57001588-EAC2-4DA2-9CFCD5E0853BE59E
After using the toilet people didn't dry their hands and neither did they used to have soap and they still don't in many Mosques around the world! and they go streight to mouth and nose rinsing,arms,head, feet.
peace
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Peace "simple",
Salaams Br,
After using the toilet people didn't dry their hands and neither did they used to have soap and they still don't in many Mosques around the world! and they go streight to mouth and nose rinsing,arms,head, feet.
peace
JK- Yes sunni/shia "muslims" today do act like this but this doesnt mean ppl were as dumb in the past. Look at how smart the greeks were for their time or the Romans who built one of the most amazing sewage systems for their time. GOD Bless!
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Peace
In most mosques there is ample running water for people to wash their hands after sorting out the back passage. The thing I have an issue is when people are told it is better not to dry yourself after performing wudhu as that is the preferred technique. Might be fine in Saudi when it's 50 degrees C outside, but certainly not in Birmingham where its usually 10 degrees. Pretty cold and takes longer for you to dry. When I was in Pakistan, you didn't need to dry yourself, the heat did that for you!
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Salaams All,
SO MUSLIMS DOING WUDU AT THE BEGINNING DIDN?T USED TO HAVE SOAP AND DIDN?T DRY THEIR HANDS NEITHER- THUS AFTER GOING TO TOILET- PASSING GERMS TO THEIR HEAD MOUTH NOSE FEET ARMS IN THE CAUSE OF WUDU AND GOD KNOWS WHO ELSE!
Studies have shown that washing with water alone removes no bacteria whatsoever.
http//www.health.uab.edu/17728/
Hands to food
Usually germs are transmitted from unclean hands to food by an infected food preparer who didn?t wash his or her hands after using the toilet.http//www.health.state.mn.us/handhygiene/why/5ways.html
Poor hygiene practices mean that millions of people are harbouring germs because they haven't washed and dried their hands after using the toilet. Wet hands pick up more germs than dry ones, and transfer them more readily, so drying hands is just as important as washing them with soap and hot water.
http//www.rsph.org.uk/en/latest-news/press-releases/press-release1.cfm/pid/57001588-EAC2-4DA2-9CFCD5E0853BE59E
Washing with ordinary soap removes 95% of the bacteria on the hands
http//www.health.uab.edu/17728/
God Bless All.
People probably had much better immune systems back then. Also it explains why putting water in your mouth and nose is not part
of wudu.Personally I think we are taking this "kill all bacteria" movement to far. All of these reports are funded by companies
who most likely have a vested interests.We know that kids exposed to germs and bacteria grow up with much stronger immune systems. As they say
what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. -
Maybe I've missed something, but who said anything about doing ablution after going to the toilet or using the hands to clean the areas discussed or not drying hands after?
Furthermore, when it mentions the use of clean/dry soil, it does not reference touching any area used when going to the toilet.
So perhaps rather than focussing on made-up scenarios, why not find out if the alleged scenario exists first?
In any case, from my own studies, most germs are harmless, and some are beneficial. Of course, minority can cause problems.
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People probably had much better immune systems back then. Also it explains why putting water in your mouth and nose is not part
of wudu.not cleaning your mouth and nose- is this a new form of wudu to the traditional one?
peace
Personally I think we are taking this "kill all bacteria" movement to far. All of these reports are funded by companies
who most likely have a vested interests.Hand washing is among the most effective ways
of reducing disease. Studies worldwide have
shown that programs to encourage the habit
of washing of hands WITH SOAP can reduce
diarrhea by between 30 and 50 percent. Recent
evidence has indicated that pneumonia can be
reduced by similar levels.14 In the Philippines,
surveys have shown that nearly all Filipinos
regularly wash their hands before eating.
However, only 26 percent of households
regularly wash their hands before handling
and preparing food, AND LESS THAN 50 PERCENT
REGULARLY WASH THEIR HANDS AFTER GOING TO THE
TOILET (Table 2.5).15
14 Esrey et al. 1991; Hutley et al. 1997; Luby et al. 2005.
15 Data from DOH 2000 also See ISF 2004.
Table 2.5 Hand washing habits
Timing of hand washing % of households
Before handling and preparing food 25.7
Before eating 96.9
After going to toilet 45.1
Source DOH 2000.We know that kids exposed to germs and bacteria grow up with much stronger immune systems. As they say
what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.So you would support drinking of piss by the Hindues as it makes your immunity stronger, as there are so many germs in there- yes?
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Maybe I've missed something, but who said anything about doing ablution after going to the toilet or using the hands to clean the areas discussed or not drying hands after?
Furthermore, when it mentions the use of clean/dry soil, it does not reference touching any area used when going to the toilet.
So perhaps rather than focussing on made-up scenarios, why not find out if the alleged scenario exists first?
In any case, from my own studies, most germs are harmless, and some are beneficial. Of course, minority can cause problems.
Well if you where or ever have been a traditional Muslim you would know going to the toilet is the first step in doing wudu, and if you release air after wards you need to wash it again as some matter might have been expelled out aswell.
and doesn't the ayah in the quran - to do with wudu mention washing it after you have been to the toilet, and then you wash the other parts step by step to complete the wudu
yes
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Well if you where or ever have been a traditional Muslim you would know going to the toilet is the first step in doing wudu, and if you release air after wards you need to wash it again as some matter might have been expelled out aswell.
Ahh, I thought we were discussing what Al Quran (AQ) says not what Traditional Muslims practice.
and doesn't the ayah in the quran - to do with wudu mention washing it after you have been to the toilet, and then you wash the other parts step by step to complete the wudu
Evidence from AQ?
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Ahh, I thought we were discussing what Al Quran (AQ) says not what Traditional Muslims practice.
Evidence from AQ?
O ye who believe! when ye prepare for prayer, wash your faces, and your hands (and arms) to the elbows; Rub your heads (with water); and (wash) your feet to the ankles. If ye are in a state of ceremonial impurity, bathe your whole body. But if ye are ill, or on a journey, or one of you cometh from offices of nature, or ye have been in contact with women, and ye find no water, then take for yourselves clean sand or earth, and rub therewith your faces and hands, Allah doth not wish to place you in a difficulty, but to make you clean, and to complete his favour to you, that ye may be grateful.
well if you follow fhe quran- yes you are right, you don't have to gurgle your mouth and clean your nose, but you do still get the beacteria all over you!, and think if you get up in the morning for what ever form of salaat and follow the procedure in this ayah, no doubt whether you agree or not, nearly every individual will gurgle their mouths and clean their noses also don't you think- especially when you live in places like Pakistan where their is always something up your nose, I mean dirt and things.
B bacteria are nasty things and just being careful with hygiene can safeguard people in any country of the world. If any individual has undertaken a health course of hygiene they will certainly know as well. It is essential to wash your hands with soap after using the loo.
It is interesting though most people , say for example the Hindus will not give up thinking cow urine and excretion as holy, irrespective of how strong an evidence you put on the table, the Muslim are like minded also. peace
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Dont clean too much, not all bacterias are harmful or nasty,
your stomach still needs them.Intestinal Bacteria Replacement
Inside a healthy lower intestine are billions of beneficial intestinal bacteria or microflora. These bacteria are of the Lactobacillus acidophilus and Lactobacillus bifidus strains and were transferred by breast-feeding into our intestines as newborn infants. The body uses L. acidophilus and L. bifidus in the final stages of digestion reproducing themselves as necessary to keep in total harmony with the body.
When the good bacteria can?t keep up, bad bacteria overpopulate the gut to give a gut flora imbalance resulting in lower bowel diseases, gas, diarrhea, IBS, and Crohn?s. The devitalizing effect caused by harmful bacteria in the intestine is rarely diagnosed near the beginning of this imbalance. Headaches, skin infections, weakness and constipation can also be symptoms of depleted intestinal bacteria.
What Causes A Gut Flora Imbalance?
? Toxins, especially drugs such as antibiotics and narcotics
? Severe diarrhea can damage or destroy these beneficial bacteria, allowing harmful bacteria to take over producing by-products like ammonia, purines and ethionine, which can eventually cause colon cancer.
? Fasting can also deplete the beneficial bacteria because large quantities of toxins are dumped from the lymph glands into the colon at the time of the fast.
? Also during a fast, with certain diets and with eating disorders, there is an absence of foods that the good bacteria thrive on.
? Using enemas also depletes the beneficial bacteria, especially if chlorinated water is used.To reestablish intestinal bacteria, do a couple enemas with liquid acidophilus or live acidophilus. These products should be stored and purchased refrigerated. Off-the-shelf products are not so effective for replacing gut flora. You can also mix a couple tablespoons of active plain yogurt to your enema mix along with a tablespoon of the liquid acidophilus. Add some warm water, but do not heat the mixture or use chlorinated water. After blending the mixture, pour it into the enema bag. Use less water for these types of enemas (only 1-2 cups) and try to retain the liquid within the colon for ten minutes to allow the beneficial bacteria to pass up through the intestine. This procedure will ensure that a healthy culture will propagate within the intestines.
You can also start adding L. acidophilus and L. bifidus to your foods a day or two before you break a fast. Use repeat dosages as per bottle instructions once a week for about 5 weeks.
FOS (Fructooligosaccharides) are also good for reestablishing gut flora. These are long-chain sugars that feed friendly flora. You can purchase this in concentrated pill form or eat lots of apples, Jerusalem artichokes, or pears. These foods have high amounts of FOS in them.
peace
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Emphasis mine
and doesn't the ayah in the quran - to do with wudu mention washing it after you have been to the toilet, and then you wash the other parts step by step to complete the wudu
Evidence from AQ?
well if you follow fhe quran- yes you are right, you don't have to gurgle your mouth and clean your nose,
Correct. Making your earlier comments invalid for anyone following AQ.
but you do still get the beacteria all over you!,
Evidence from AQ?
and think if you get up in the morning for what ever form of salaat and follow the procedure in this ayah, no doubt whether you agree or not, nearly every individual will gurgle their mouths and clean their noses also don't you think- especially when you live in places like Pakistan where their is always something up your nose, I mean dirt and things.
Go post your findings on a Traditional Muslim forum then. Your comments are invalid for anyone following AQ.
It is interesting though most people , say for example the Hindus will not give up thinking cow urine and excretion as holy, irrespective of how strong an evidence you put on the table, the Muslim are like minded also.
When reason is against a man, the man will be soon be against reason. - Hume
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As a side note, one of the best ways to increase the good bacteria in your gut is to include fermented/cultured vegetables in your diet. In fact, I am so confident about their benefits that if you have a gut/digestive problem or know of anyone who has, then this is a must, and will likely result in lessening and perhaps even curing the condition. I discussed the whole thing here with a practical introduction along with a "how to" guide
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=14995.msg152247#msg152247 -
As a side note, one of the best ways to increase the good bacteria in your gut is to include fermented/cultured vegetables in your diet. In fact, I am so confident about their benefits that if you have a gut/digestive problem or know of anyone who has, then this is a must, and will likely result in lessening and perhaps even curing the condition. I discussed the whole thing here with a practical introduction along with a "how to" guide
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=14995.msg152247#msg152247Thanks for the info above, it will be usefull for someone whos suffering from Candidiasis with symptoms of
loss of memory, trouble concentrating, problems in speech fluency, along with headaches, skin problems, itching in the groins, digestion problems etc -
Emphasis mine
Correct. Making your earlier comments invalid for anyone following AQ.I think most of the people following AQ, still do wudu like the traditionalists, so doesn't become invalid to them.
Evidence from AQ?
quranic Wudu;-
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...........wash your faces, and your hands (and arms) to the elbows; Rub your heads (with water); and (wash) your feet to the ankles................ But if ye ......... cometh from offices of nature, .... and ye find no water, then take for yourselves clean sand or earth, and rub therewith your faces and hands.......Go post your findings on a Traditional Muslim forum then. Your comments are invalid for anyone following AQ.
sorry but i think they are 100% valid.
peace
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I think most of the people following AQ, still do wudu like the traditionalists, so doesn't become invalid to them.
Of course. ;D
In otherwords, your comments are invalid for AQ, valid for Traditional.
quranic Wudu;-
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...........wash your faces, and your hands (and arms) to the elbows; Rub your heads (with water); and (wash) your feet to the ankles................ But if ye ......... cometh from offices of nature, .... and ye find no water, then take for yourselves clean sand or earth, and rub therewith your faces and hands.......Is this meant to be some sort of evidence? If so, please clarify.
sorry but i think they are 100% valid.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. As I said "your comments are invalid for AQ, valid for Traditional.".
