Jerusalem -- joy of the devil?
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Jerusalem doesn't mean City of Peace. History is not that cheesy. It means the Abode(Dar) of Salim( a proper noun). It was a pagan god or an invading king. And if it really mean city of peace, this is one ugly scary misnomer.
Peace,
In that case "As-Shalam-Alaykum " is actually "May The Dusk God be upon you all"...
Darus-Salam.... Land Of The Dusk God..Salam / Peace.. oops sorry.. Hail To The Dusk God!
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Shalam?
Salaam and Shalem (this is not Hebrew here) are not the same word.
Jerusalem in Hebrew Tanakh is YRSHLM.
There's also a mention of a place called "SHALEM", a city of shechem belongs to the Canaanites (The original Palestinians which is actually more related to the Phoenicians, totally different people than what it is today considered as Palestinians) during the times of Jacob in Genesis.
This town of Shalem was believed to be in different area of YRSHLM, although it is quite nearby and it is now named as SALEM, a town near Nablus in the west bank area. Thus.. SALEM is not equal to YRSHLM just like KYOTO is not equal with TOKYO.
Salem oops Salam / Peace
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The Canaanite Shalem is the same one which finds mention in the Bible (Genesis, 141. And this same Shalem later came to be known as Yerushalayim (Joshua, 101), which is Urusalim hebraized.
In all likelihood, the Hebrews had nothing to do with the founding of Jerusalem.
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I dont want to sound Ignorant.
But...All of this Linguistic Discrepancy really takes a toll on my head...
It kinda makes ma angry.
Do any of you get angry about this aswell?
Its like Everywhere you look there is a "Problem"... There is a Lingustic "Problem" with understanding the Quran.
There are always Arguments on what Word Actually means What...Mecca, Zina, Hajj, Sallat, Allah ,etc, etc etc...
and if that wasn't enough, Now we don't even have Proper names of Cities? Not even Jerusalem?
It just leaves you pissed off and nihilistic.
I though religion was supposed to be Easily understood?
Do any of you get Frustrated by these type of things...?
Then I ask you...
Where is the True Religion? Where Is the Land? Where is the Truth?
More importantly Where is Peace/Rest? (in your view)
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There is no consensus out here over the contents of the Quran (or the composition of the religion of Islam).
If you have been led to peace before, then you might know how to be lead unto it again.
Browning penned, "God's in His Heaven, all's right with the world."
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There is no consensus out here over the contents of the Quran (or the composition of the religion of Islam).
If you have been led to peace before, then you might know how to be lead unto it again.
Browning penned, "God's in His Heaven, all's right with the world."
I guess I was just Frustrated when I wrote this because I always had the Understanding that Jerusalem Means City of Peace.
What Frustrates me, Is that How can Words be Known to be One Thing, Yet are Also known to be something Different? Coined?
Is Jerusalem City of Peace or City of Dusk? which one is it? Which one is more Authentic?
This "Word Confusion" is being used in many Arguments in Reference to certain Rules and things in the Quran, Aswell.
It can be very frustrating because, It is leading to more confusion. A trick of the shytan
If you notice in Law, There is a similar type of tactic. Words have Natural Meanings, and Other times, Some or the same words have different meanings only known by few....Its a Corrupt type of System.
For example, There is a Difference between "TRUTH" and "Truth". U.S.A, United STATES, or America.
I know this seems offtopic but I see a similarity... Do you understand what I am saying, or I sound Crazy? lol laugh
Its like Jerusalem=Peace.... and Jerusalem=Dusk.... which one is really true? and why would this happen?
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Long before David took it over, the city was called "Urushalim," which meant the foundation of Shalem, an ugaritic god. The name was hebraized, possibly because it made for a pretty cool name in the language of the Hebrews (within Hebrew, the word shalem connotates wholeness). Jerusalem is hebrew anglicized.
It is likely that "shalem," the appellation of the ugaritic god, itself in some way denoted "completion".
I think I understand how pointless the whole effort can appear to be; but if one doesn't try to prove a particular concept right or wrong, it can be fun. I have had pretty enjoyable sessions on many forums, possibly because I don't identify myself with all that I write, much less what I read, while many others get a little too involved. Moral Enjoy the experience. (-
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Peace,
I still don't understand the essence of this confusion. Why do ALL Hebrew and Jewish scholars agree that Yerushalayim (often called "Yerushalom" means "city of peace"? Yes, many of them agree that the place was formerly known as "Shalem", but this means peace or complete. It's not referring to any false god, which is why the name was kept and adopted by the Israelites after they captured it. In fact, the Hebrew Gemarra actually says that the name Yerushalayim was given to the city as a combination of the name given to it by Shem (the son of Noah) and Abraham.
The land was, according to many historians, originally occupied by the Cana'anites. Perhaps this is true, and it does appear to be very likely. However, based on the surrounding civilizations within this proximity, it's also very likely that the Cana'anites spoke a language (dialect) very similar to Hebrew, just like the Arabs do today. Therefore, "Shalem" could very well have meant peace and completion in their language, as it does in Hebrew; it doesn't necessarily have anything to do with any false god or religious deity. The origins of the word itself, being "shalem", seem to be based on a separate dialect of the same language, much like the difference between saying "shalom" and "salaam" - they are the same word, just different dialectial pronounciations. And in a close comparison, any Arabic speaker would say that it's foolish to say that "Salaam" was originally the name of a pagan false god. Even if it was (hypothetically) the name of a false god, that concept is completely irrelevant today, since it means something entirely different today, as it did during the revelation of the Qur'aan. The exact same is true in reference to the city of Yerushalayim when it comes to the Jews...
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You are looking at the word within the Hebrew parlance, in which case it is agreed upon that it should refer to the hebrew "shalom" or "shalem". But the city traces its roots back to an earlier time, when it was "Urushalim" and not "Yerushalayim". Thus the emphasis shifts from shalom to the ugaritic god Shalem (possibly the evening star, venus).
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I dont want to sound stupid... lol
But this kind of thing reminds me of Allah.
it is supposed that Allah used to be the name of a Pegan moon good. Also, it is said somewhere on the Form that Allaht was also used.
I know that Kaffars use this argument to conclude that Allah therefore has pagan origins and the Islamic religion is false...However, What I use in my Argument is this.
Just because If "hypothetically" A group of Arabs made 360 Idols around the Kabba, and Worshiped a Suprie God Named "Allah" and Attributed the Moon to Him...That has nothing to do with me or my faith becase of two reasons...
1)The moon is a Physical Thing, that Occupies Space,Color,Mass, Dimension, and Viability. (Allah Does not have any of these things, since He is Not Bound by Physical Limitations)....and The Moon is made subservient to Us as stated in the Quran Along with the Sun, Stars, Trees, Water, etc...
- Just because Someone Now Decides to Use the Quran for "Evil" purposes...does that make the Quran Bad? Just because Some Group of People Decide to Call their Moon God "Allah" or "YHW" does that mean I can No Longer worship the God of Abraham? No.
In face, Its not only the Moon. Actually , "YHW" "Allah" and "EL" where all ALSO used to Worship Saturn. Jordan Maxwell then said, Every time your Praying or worshiping,...Do you know your worshiping Saturn?....My reply.... "Surah 112...He neither begets nor is begotten" and Allah is above All of His Creation.".
I Agree with Ahmad Bilal's Stance. If it is WELL known and Agreed by Billions of People both Anciently and Today, that Jerusalem Means "City of Peace"...Yet there was a Small Minority who believed it is a Pegan Name for their Pegan God...Who cares...
Who is stronger us for them. For instance, I Love Saying "Alhumdulilah". Just because some group of people Say that Means "worship Mars, Saturn or the Moon".....I m not going to stop because in my mind...It means "All praises to Allah
Jerusalem to me means Peace
But here is my Question. Allah Says that Many of times...He has Destroyed Many towns, and Brought back new ones....and says He has made even the Deadest Pagan People...Submit and convert.
Could it be a Possibility, Jerusalem was a pagan area, but them -reverted?
But One last question.... what about the Name... What Name was First? Dusk or Peace?
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This is not a hypothesis after the manner in which non-Muslims propagate rejected theories of other non-Muslims. It is a view that many Jews and Christians themselves hold.
Which brings me to your last question The origin seems to go back to the god Shalim, and this is also the view of Encyclopaedia Judaica (if you think it has any say on matters related to Judaism).
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well, let me ask you then....
What is your view on this? Do you think it is Reliable, and also, Does it change anything?
For instance, Does it change the view of "Jerusalem" meaning city of peace?
Like, If We say... As-Salmu `Alaykum, and in our Minds and Quran it means "Peace and Blessings be upon you"...
wile over 3,000 years ago, it meant something different....Does this matter or change its value or its meaning today?
Since it is there is a major consensus of it being "Peace/Blessings" Today...Does it matter what it was Yesterday?
After all, aren't Words meaningless without Intention?
I can say "Nigga" to brother and kiss my hand/put it on my heart, and it is a major sign of respect in my area.
yet...if i were to travel elsewhere, That same word is a controversial word that will lead to me being in a fight. Or if I use it in my area in a Strong Tone with Negative emotion, it means I am belittling/disrespecting you. lol.I know this is a stupid example, but its the 1st to come to mind. I dont know if it is even comparable...(apples/oranges) But Do you get what I mean?
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user "thegod"... still dont understand why u chose this nick...
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i thought that user was from 5 % Nation, but he is not. thats why im askin again
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I think it is reliable. Also, like I said, it is not a propaganda by wannabes, it a view held by many within the Judeo-Christian community itself.
If today George Bush changes his name to Jesus Christ, and Osama bin Laden to Muhammad Al Mustafa, does it change anything?
I don't know if Jerusalem's spell as Urushalim and it's veneration of Shalem has changed anything for the Jews and Christians who accept it. Should it change anything for Muslims?