Jerusalem -- joy of the devil?
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You are looking at the word within the Hebrew parlance, in which case it is agreed upon that it should refer to the hebrew "shalom" or "shalem". But the city traces its roots back to an earlier time, when it was "Urushalim" and not "Yerushalayim". Thus the emphasis shifts from shalom to the ugaritic god Shalem (possibly the evening star, venus).
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I dont want to sound stupid... lol
But this kind of thing reminds me of Allah.
it is supposed that Allah used to be the name of a Pegan moon good. Also, it is said somewhere on the Form that Allaht was also used.
I know that Kaffars use this argument to conclude that Allah therefore has pagan origins and the Islamic religion is false...However, What I use in my Argument is this.
Just because If "hypothetically" A group of Arabs made 360 Idols around the Kabba, and Worshiped a Suprie God Named "Allah" and Attributed the Moon to Him...That has nothing to do with me or my faith becase of two reasons...
1)The moon is a Physical Thing, that Occupies Space,Color,Mass, Dimension, and Viability. (Allah Does not have any of these things, since He is Not Bound by Physical Limitations)....and The Moon is made subservient to Us as stated in the Quran Along with the Sun, Stars, Trees, Water, etc...
- Just because Someone Now Decides to Use the Quran for "Evil" purposes...does that make the Quran Bad? Just because Some Group of People Decide to Call their Moon God "Allah" or "YHW" does that mean I can No Longer worship the God of Abraham? No.
In face, Its not only the Moon. Actually , "YHW" "Allah" and "EL" where all ALSO used to Worship Saturn. Jordan Maxwell then said, Every time your Praying or worshiping,...Do you know your worshiping Saturn?....My reply.... "Surah 112...He neither begets nor is begotten" and Allah is above All of His Creation.".
I Agree with Ahmad Bilal's Stance. If it is WELL known and Agreed by Billions of People both Anciently and Today, that Jerusalem Means "City of Peace"...Yet there was a Small Minority who believed it is a Pegan Name for their Pegan God...Who cares...
Who is stronger us for them. For instance, I Love Saying "Alhumdulilah". Just because some group of people Say that Means "worship Mars, Saturn or the Moon".....I m not going to stop because in my mind...It means "All praises to Allah
Jerusalem to me means Peace
But here is my Question. Allah Says that Many of times...He has Destroyed Many towns, and Brought back new ones....and says He has made even the Deadest Pagan People...Submit and convert.
Could it be a Possibility, Jerusalem was a pagan area, but them -reverted?
But One last question.... what about the Name... What Name was First? Dusk or Peace?
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This is not a hypothesis after the manner in which non-Muslims propagate rejected theories of other non-Muslims. It is a view that many Jews and Christians themselves hold.
Which brings me to your last question The origin seems to go back to the god Shalim, and this is also the view of Encyclopaedia Judaica (if you think it has any say on matters related to Judaism).
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well, let me ask you then....
What is your view on this? Do you think it is Reliable, and also, Does it change anything?
For instance, Does it change the view of "Jerusalem" meaning city of peace?
Like, If We say... As-Salmu `Alaykum, and in our Minds and Quran it means "Peace and Blessings be upon you"...
wile over 3,000 years ago, it meant something different....Does this matter or change its value or its meaning today?
Since it is there is a major consensus of it being "Peace/Blessings" Today...Does it matter what it was Yesterday?
After all, aren't Words meaningless without Intention?
I can say "Nigga" to brother and kiss my hand/put it on my heart, and it is a major sign of respect in my area.
yet...if i were to travel elsewhere, That same word is a controversial word that will lead to me being in a fight. Or if I use it in my area in a Strong Tone with Negative emotion, it means I am belittling/disrespecting you. lol.I know this is a stupid example, but its the 1st to come to mind. I dont know if it is even comparable...(apples/oranges) But Do you get what I mean?
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user "thegod"... still dont understand why u chose this nick...
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i thought that user was from 5 % Nation, but he is not. thats why im askin again
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I think it is reliable. Also, like I said, it is not a propaganda by wannabes, it a view held by many within the Judeo-Christian community itself.
If today George Bush changes his name to Jesus Christ, and Osama bin Laden to Muhammad Al Mustafa, does it change anything?
I don't know if Jerusalem's spell as Urushalim and it's veneration of Shalem has changed anything for the Jews and Christians who accept it. Should it change anything for Muslims?
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I think it is reliable. Also, like I said, it is not a propaganda by wannabes, it a view held by many within the Judeo-Christian community itself.
If today George Bush changes his name to Jesus Christ, and Osama bin Laden to Muhammad Al Mustafa, does it change anything?
I don't know if Jerusalem's spell as Urushalim and it's veneration of Shalem has changed anything for the Jews and Christians who accept it. Should it change anything for Muslims?
well here is my interpretation of it....it may be wrong it may be right.
perhaps it means both.
perhaps since it is the Judeo-Christian Community who are the forerunners in establishing the Zionist Temple in the State of Israel, (which, was already started over 60 years ago), Perhaps for them Jerusalem is their "Dusk city" wile for us...it is our Peace city.
It is rather coincidental how a Certain Land can be either sides of the Duality of Good and evil.
We consider this "Holy Land" Special for Various Reasons...and Share it with many "True" Muslims, Jews and Christians...(who by genuine belief and Definition are in fact all considered 'Muslims" or "Submitters to Allah"
What is so Coincidental, is that the "False" Jews, Christians, and Muslims (i.e. lucifarian satanist/pagan Occultists) Also Consider this "Holy Land" Very Special. They Regard this land as their Center for their dajjal or anti-christ anti messiah area.
What does this mean?
Theoretically, That this land is a very Special Place. For both Evil and Good People.
For the Good people...it is the Land of Peace and Holiness. (land of Peace)
For the Evil people.....it is the Land of Corruption, Chaos, and their Center of their King/kingdom. (i.e. Dusk land)this is a weird Relationship.
Key Note
Why Judaical Christians?-
Well, This is only the guise that they are under. the guise of Zionism. which is really Deep satanism/lucifarianism/paganism
The Judaical Christian Community in the western world is the Biggest Allie to the State of Israel. Of course, The Judaical-Christian "Followers" at the Bottom may not actually "Know" the Intentions of their Leaders...but basically this is the facts...
The Devil probably sits in all the kingdoms in almost all the churches, and in almost all the high places of Today's Mainstream Religions.
Its not the religions themselves that are "Bad"...its just they have been infiltrated...for a Common Purpose.
My Theory is...The Reason why the Judaic-Christian Leaders of America and the Uk/western world are the Biggest Allies of Isreal....is because when they leave their workplace...and come out at night...They are probably meeting in the Forrest wearing Bathrobes and chatting about how they are going to take over the middle east and Gaza.
To them Israel or "Jerusalem" is important because it is "Their Pagan city of Dusk".
But to Us...Since we are for Goodness, Righteousness, and Submission.....Jerusalem is our "Holy land" of Peace and Prosperity.
Could it be that this land can be Both used for either Good or bad purposes? Could it be it can be turned to "City of Peace" or Be turned Back to "City of Dusk"?
Then if so.... That means the "Believers" (i.e. Muslims) need to Defend it from Evil Influences...
....Oh....wait...uh....isnt that what They are or Were trying to do?
But this is Just My interpretation........Besides....What do I know? ??? lol
Here is a Great Video to Watch in Reference to this...
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=KImXLWOfWi0
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I like your impression, especially the duality part. And there's an interesting twist here Shalem likely alludes to (planet) Venus (evening star) which has been associated with Lucifer. A reading of Urushalim would then produce "Foundation of Lucifer" or "Foundation of Devil," and all those terms (satanism, antichrist, paganism) would fall into place nicely. What is tragically relevant is that "peace and prosperity" has had very few dealings with this city, which has been depicted as harlot and murderer and apostate in the Bible, and a very likely candidate for "the mother of harlots and abominations of the earth" (Revelation; 175) (Of course, Jews don't buy the New Testament).
It appears that what the Hebrews began to glorify as the City of God stood, not in the very distant past, as the Foundation of Devil.
Here's hoping that the bedrock of this city is shalom and not Shalem. (-
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Peace Thegod,
Five-percent...Allaah. Ha ha ha.
What's wrong with the 5 Percent Nation, i.e. The Nation of Gods and Earths? You think their beliefs are funny?
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I found the link funny.
Oh, okay, I was just wondering... peace