Two women or two dependants
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It gets rid of the two women = one man issue
Peace
I have a problem with your logic. You are seeking to eliminate a possible meaning based on your predetermined opinion. This is the wrong way to approach any issue in the Quran (the verses on the prohibition of same sex perversion is another area where people do the same).
However, as stated in the previous post this quote does not mean one man = two women, it means women are more likely to err in financial transactions.
Roshan
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It gets rid of the two women = one man issue.
The quote says that two women are needed only if one of them errs (and so otherwise the testimony of one women = testimony of one man), and this is the reason why women could be considered more likely to err. In a modern day Islamic country, this would almost be looked upon as being symbolic.
Peace Simple and Roshan,
In the beginning of verse 2.282 the addressee are ?mu?minun? male and female. The barrower can be a woman or man, the lender can be a woman or man, the scribe can be a woman or man, the witnesses who are rijal/breadwinners can be women or men, the witnesses who are nisaa?/(imra?atan)/(two dependents) can be males or females.
The dependants are those who depend others in their living. These can be boys and girls who are not mature yet. (?Two girls? or ?two boys? or? a girl and a boy?)
That?s why God says ??two dependants from whom you will accept their testimony?? and ?so that if one of them errs/forgets, then one can remind the other? This is not sad for rijal because any mature mu?min is qualified to be a witness. Mu?min means a mature person (male or female) who renders safety to others so she/he is qualified to be a witness. -
Peace Simple and Roshan,
In the beginning of verse 2.282 the addressee are ?mu?minun? male and female. The barrower can be a woman or man, the lender can be a woman or man, the scribe can be a woman or man, the witnesses who are rijal/breadwinners can be women or men, the witnesses who are nisaa?/(imra?atan)/(two dependents) can be males or females.
The dependants are those who depend others in their living. These can be boys and girls who are not mature yet. (?Two girls? or ?two boys? or? a girl and a boy?)
That?s why God says ??two dependants from whom you will accept their testimony?? and ?so that if one of them errs/forgets, then one can remind the other? This is not sad for rijal because any mature mu?min is qualified to be a witness. Mu?min means a mature person (male or female) who renders safety to others so she/he is qualified to be a witness.Mazhar said;
And if the contracting men, shrewd businessmen had not first erred how there could be an entuality of the woman recording her evidence in the court?
The erring is not by the witnesses at all, but by the one making the contract ?
The quran says;
If the party liable is mentally deficient, or weak, or unable Himself to dictate
So if he err?s then the witness/?s can remind him- as Mazhar said above.
And sorry your translations of the said ayah do make women look inferior then men, and are no way correct.
Man and women are equal especially with respect to mental capacity.
Has anybody here ever seen children being witnesses to transaction any where?
The ayah has nothing at all to do with dependants , but is talking about a not so competant person who may forget about the condition of the transaction and so the witnesses , men or women will be there to remind him or her.
peace