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    A discussion involving the hajj brought up the word "shahr," & a christian referred me to studyquran.org's listing of the word. At studyquran.org, among the possible meanings for shahr are provided "new moon" & "full moon".

    When v look up the root "sh-h-r" in lane's, v find that "new moon" (The new moon, when it appears; so called because of its conspiciousness, this is the original meaning) is mentioned therein. However, "full moon" has not been listed. What as been mentioned is "The moon or the moon when conspicious, and near to being full." "Full" and "nearly full" are exclusive, & this rules out shahr meaning the full moon.

    Thence, listing of "full moon" under "sh-h-r" is misleading.

    sh-h-r Lane's lexicon (Vol 4, page 336)

    A remark -- The arabic word for full moon is badr (It(the moon) became full; the full moon, moon in its fourteenth night)

    b-d-r ibid. (Vol 1, page 202)

    al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen

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      Samia
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      The word "badr" as moon does not exist in the qur'aan.

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        This is about the word for "full moon" in arabic, which "badr" is as per the lexicon. The word "shahr" denotes "new moon" & not "full moon," again from the lexicon. Why do u want to find the "full moon" in the quraan?

        Again, what was the relevance of ur post?

        ma'a salaam.

        God bless all.

        al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen

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          The relevence of my post is that you refer to studyquran.org. If the word is not in the quraan, it's not on studyquran. Simple.

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            Did I talk about badr = full moon being or not being listed on studyquran.org? I especially posted this information as a remark.

            The point is "shahr = full moon" is misleading information on studyquran.org. Simple.

            A remark -- If carry the idea that every word listed on studyquran.org is in the quraan, that too will be misleading.

            ma'a salaam.

            God bless all.

            al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen

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              peace,

              Project Root List (PRL) only lists roots found in The Quran. PRL is a StudyQuran.org project.

              As clearly stated on the PRL homepage, the meanings listed are from several Classical Arabic dictionaries (CAD), thus Lane's Lexicon is not the only one used, although it is used heavily in PRL. The pages of Lane's Lexicon are listed to aid study, not to imply all the meanings listed are from Lane's Lexicon only.

              The meaning of "full moon" can be found in The Dictionary of Holy Quran by Abdul Manan Omar for example, which utilises several CAD.

              All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                wakas-Project Root List (PRL) only lists roots found in The Quran. PRL is a StudyQuran.org project.

                • The root "b-d-r" is found in the quraan & has been listed on prl. For whatever reason, "full moon" is not listed under it. However, under "sh-h-r" v find the following possible meanings - "any evil thing that exposes its author to disgrace, a vice/fault or the like".

                Included by mannar omar? Cool. The fact that shahr as "full moon" is unmentioned in authorities like lane's & lisan al-arab is relevant.

                ma'a salaam.

                God bless all.

                al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen

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                  peace,

                  The specific use of "full moon" is not mentioned in PRL for BDR. It does list "become full/grown/round" however.

                  The listing has now been changed to "become full/grown/round/large (e.g. full moon)".

                  Again, as stated in the PRL homepage it is a work in progress.

                  All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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