Stoning Punishment in the Bible
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Salaam,
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confirm
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- to establish the truth, accuracy, validity, or genuineness.
Qur?an contains within it the true, accurate, valid, genuine Taur?t and Injeel.
33 He descended on you The Book with the truth, confirming to what (is) between His hands, and He descended the Taur?t and the Injeel.
546 And We sent in their footsteps with Jesus, Mary's son confirming for what (is) between His hands from the Taur?t and We gave him the Injeel in it guidance and light, and confirming to what (is) between His hands from the Taur?t and guidance and a advice/warning to the pious.
Does current New Testament (choose from dozens according to someone) confirm Old Testament?
Does current supposed NT and OT not contradict Qur'an?Why do you ask if stoning is in Bible and post verses on stoning in Bible?
What you are referring to as Bible is not Qur'an nor Taur?t and Injeel which Qur'an encompasses.
Regards!
Salaam Eid
You have accepted that Quran is confirming /edorsinig Bible.
But you have objection on storne vrese in bible.You said ;What you are referring to as Bible is not Qur'an nor Taur?t and Injeel which Qur'an encompasses.
In other words you want to say taht Bible is corrupted.Ok I accept it .
Would you prove it.
What is corruptiion ?
When was it corrutpted before Qurna was revealed or after it?
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Salaam Eid
You have accepted that Quran is confirming /edorsinig Bible.
But you have objection on storne vrese in bible.You said ;In other words you want to say taht Bible is corrupted.Ok I accept it .
Would you prove it.
What is corruptiion ?
When was it corrutpted before Qurna was revealed or after it?
RegardsA better question is
What does the Koran mean when it says it came to confirm the previous scriptures?
What is meant by confirm? Confirm all of it, most of it, parts of it?
Which scriptures does the Koran mean when it says the Tawrat and Injeel? Is it the ones we have with us today? Or is it some other scripture?
What does the Koran say about the Tawrat and Injeel? What is meant by Tawrat and Injeel?
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These are not even the relevant verses but because you see these scriptures as theocratic you are stuck now.
Let the People of the Gospel judge by what God hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what God hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel. (Surah 5, Maida, verse 47)
In context?
541-49
You, you the messenger, do not be saddened (by) those who quicken in the disbelief, from those who said "We believed" with their mouths, and their hearts/minds did not believe, and from those who repented/Jews often listening to the falsehood, often listening to other peoples they did not come to you, they distort the words from after its places, they say "If you were given that, so take it, and if you were not given it, so be warned" and whom God wants testing him, so you will never own for him from God a thing, those are those who God did not want that to purify their hearts/minds, for them in the present world disgrace, and for them in the end a great torment (they are) often listening to the lies, eating exaggeratedly to the possession through cheating, so if they come to you, so judge between them or turn away from them, and if you turn away from them, so they will not harm you (in) a thing, and if you judge, so judge between them with the justice, that God likes the just, and how they ask you to judge, and at them the Taurat in it God's judgment, then they turn away from after that, and those are not with the believing. That We descended the Taurat, in it guidance and light, the prophets those who submitted, judge with it, to those who guided/Jews, and the knowledgeable Lord worshippers, and the religious scholars with what they memorized/safe kept from God's Book, and they were not on it witnessing/present; so do not fear the people and fear Me, and do not buy with My verses a small price, and who does not judge with what God descended, so those, they are the disbelievers and We wrote on them in it, that the self with the self, and the eye with the eye, and the nose with the nose, and the ear with the ear, and the tooth with the tooth, and the wounds equal punishment equal to crime, so who gave charity (forgave) with it, so it is substitution for him, and who does not judge with what God descended, so those, those are the unjust and We sent in their footsteps with Jesus, Mary's son confirming for what (is) between His hands from the Taur?t and We gave him the Injeel in it guidance and light, and confirming to what (is) between His hands from the Taur?t and guidance and a advice/warning to the pious and the Injeel people should judge with what God descended in it, and who does not judge with what God descended, so those, they are the rebellious and We descended to you The Book with the truth, confirming to what (is) between His hands from The Book , and guarding on it, so judge between them with what God descended and do not follow their self attractions for desires about what came to you from the truth, to each from you We made God's decreed way of life and order, and a clear way, and if God wanted, He would have made you one nation, and but to test you in what He gave you, so race (to) the generosity (good deeds), to God your return altogether, so He informs you with what you were in it differing.Here it is clear that the Koran came to confirm the revelation that is with them, meaning the OT.
Confirms how and why?
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You children of Israel, remember My blessing which I bestowed upon you, and fulfill My covenant so that I fulfill your covenant, and fear none but Me, and believe in what I have sent down (Qur'an), confirming that which is with you, and be not the first to disbelieve therein, and buy not with My Verses a small price and fear Me and Me Alone and do not cover the truth with the falsehood, and you conceal the truth and you are knowing.A better question is
What does the Koran mean when it says it came to confirm the previous scriptures?
What is meant by confirm? Confirm all of it, most of it, parts of it?
Which scriptures does the Koran mean when it says the Tawrat and Injeel? Is it the ones we have with us today? Or is it some other scripture?
What does the Koran say about the Tawrat and Injeel? What is meant by Tawrat and Injeel?
Qur?an is the criterion as to which is true and false in all their books.
http//www.earlychristianwritings.com/289-90
And when a Book (Qur?an) came to them (Jews) from God confirming to what (is) with them and they were from before judging on those who disbelieved, so when what they knew came to them, they disbelieved with it, so God's curse on the disbelievers. How bad is that for which they have sold their own selves, that they should disbelieve in that which God has revealed (Qur'an), grudging that God should reveal of His Grace unto whom He wills of His slaves. So they have drawn on themselves wrath upon wrath and for the disbelievers, there is disgracing torment.Qur?an came to correct corruption and some deny.
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And they said "Will never enter the Paradise except who was Jewish or Christian" Those are their desires. Say "Give me your proof if you were truthful." Yes, who submitted his faith to God and he is (a) good doer, so for him his reward at his Lord and no fear on them and nor they be saddened.Therefore, Deists such as Thomas Jefferson et al doers of good are justly compensated.
Explained a bit more here?
http//www.readingislam.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1123996016252&pagename=IslamOnline-English-AAbout_Islam/AskAboutIslamE/AskAboutIslamE
Peace
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In context?
541-49
You, you the messenger, do not be saddened (by) those who quicken in the disbelief, from those who said "We believed" with their mouths, and their hearts/minds did not believe, and from those who repented/Jews often listening to the falsehood, often listening to other peoples they did not come to you, they distort the words from after its places, they say "If you were given that, so take it, and if you were not given it, so be warned" and whom God wants testing him, so you will never own for him from God a thing, those are those who God did not want that to purify their hearts/minds, for them in the present world disgrace, and for them in the end a great torment (they are) often listening to the lies, eating exaggeratedly to the possession through cheating, so if they come to you, so judge between them or turn away from them, and if you turn away from them, so they will not harm you (in) a thing, and if you judge, so judge between them with the justice, that God likes the just, and how they ask you to judge, and at them the Taurat in it God's judgment, then they turn away from after that, and those are not with the believing. That We descended the Taurat, in it guidance and light, the prophets those who submitted, judge with it, to those who guided/Jews, and the knowledgeable Lord worshippers, and the religious scholars with what they memorized/safe kept from God's Book, and they were not on it witnessing/present; so do not fear the people and fear Me, and do not buy with My verses a small price, and who does not judge with what God descended, so those, they are the disbelievers and We wrote on them in it, that the self with the self, and the eye with the eye, and the nose with the nose, and the ear with the ear, and the tooth with the tooth, and the wounds equal punishment equal to crime, so who gave charity (forgave) with it, so it is substitution for him, and who does not judge with what God descended, so those, those are the unjust and We sent in their footsteps with Jesus, Mary's son confirming for what (is) between His hands from the Taur?t and We gave him the Injeel in it guidance and light, and confirming to what (is) between His hands from the Taur?t and guidance and a advice/warning to the pious and the Injeel people should judge with what God descended in it, and who does not judge with what God descended, so those, they are the rebellious and We descended to you The Book with the truth, confirming to what (is) between His hands from The Book , and guarding on it, so judge between them with what God descended and do not follow their self attractions for desires about what came to you from the truth, to each from you We made God's decreed way of life and order, and a clear way, and if God wanted, He would have made you one nation, and but to test you in what He gave you, so race (to) the generosity (good deeds), to God your return altogether, so He informs you with what you were in it differing.Confirms how and why?
240-42
You children of Israel, remember My blessing which I bestowed upon you, and fulfill My covenant so that I fulfill your covenant, and fear none but Me, and believe in what I have sent down (Qur'an), confirming that which is with you, and be not the first to disbelieve therein, and buy not with My Verses a small price and fear Me and Me Alone and do not cover the truth with the falsehood, and you conceal the truth and you are knowing.Qur?an is the criterion as to which is true and false in all their books.
http//www.earlychristianwritings.com/289-90
And when a Book (Qur?an) came to them (Jews) from God confirming to what (is) with them and they were from before judging on those who disbelieved, so when what they knew came to them, they disbelieved with it, so God's curse on the disbelievers. How bad is that for which they have sold their own selves, that they should disbelieve in that which God has revealed (Qur'an), grudging that God should reveal of His Grace unto whom He wills of His slaves. So they have drawn on themselves wrath upon wrath and for the disbelievers, there is disgracing torment.Qur?an came to correct corruption and some deny.
2111-112
And they said "Will never enter the Paradise except who was Jewish or Christian" Those are their desires. Say "Give me your proof if you were truthful." Yes, who submitted his faith to God and he is (a) good doer, so for him his reward at his Lord and no fear on them and nor they be saddened.Therefore, Deists such as Thomas Jefferson et al doers of good are justly compensated.
Explained a bit more here?
http//www.readingislam.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1123996016252&pagename=IslamOnline-English-AAbout_Islam/AskAboutIslamE/AskAboutIslamE
Peace
Dear Eid
Salaam
Dear brother the proper way if you answer the question in a precise way then bring the evidence in its fafvor. You are pasting and pasting sequence of verse from which any one get the information of his own idea. But what is your interpretation of yout these verses no one knows. This is not fair.
So I am putting the first question please answer in yes or no bring one verse as evidence so that we should know what you want to say.Does Quran confirm Previous scriptures (BIBLe) ,yes or No ?
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Does Quran confirm Previous scriptures (BIBLe) ,yes or No ?
Salaam,
297
33
546
548
3531
4630
confirm
?verb
- to establish the truth, accuracy, validity, or genuineness.
Qur?an contains within it the true, accurate, valid, genuine Taur?t and Injeel.
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Dear Eid
Salaam
Dear brother the proper way if you answer the question in a precise way then bring the evidence in its fafvor. You are pasting and pasting sequence of verse from which any one get the information of his own idea. But what is your interpretation of yout these verses no one knows. This is not fair.
So I am putting the first question please answer in yes or no bring one verse as evidence so that we should know what you want to say.Does Quran confirm Previous scriptures (BIBLe) ,yes or No ?
To be honest I still do not know what he is saying. I think he wants me to comment on the verses. You know the OT was always difficult. The earlier Christians were reluctant to include it in their scriptures because they say it as too legalistic and punitive. But in the end they had no choice. Its too rich of a scripture. But because he is not able to accept the historicity and the environment the OT came he is not able to accept it. He still understands the term rule by the Tawrat or rule by the Koran in a theocratic way. like the way we understand laws in today's society. the Koran says the same about the Injeel, yet the Injeel has very little if any theocracy or public policy. But it talks about justice and mercy and fairness, the details is not what the Koran is talking about as they can differ from society to society. But many Koranist come from a Sunni background and they understand the terminolgies the way Sunnis use them. They see the OT as another hadith in steroids and are trying to find a way to ignore them but the verses in the Koran about the validity of the previous scriptures got them stuck.
They see any talk of lack of theocracy as secularism. But by their insistence on trying to create a theocracy from the Koran they are stretching the Koran beyond its design and are taking us back to Imam Al Shafi who also came up with another revelation to provide a theocracy and an orthodoxy that the Koran did not provide.
This is a very sensitive issue. But the good news is that they will not be able to achieve this theocracy of theirs from the Koran, although i believe some want to put some spin on the verses of the Koran to make it look modern. Other can put their spin also. Just like Sallat and haj(orthodoxy), we will not be able to agree and will have to accept pluralism. We can't go back to Imam Malik and Al Shafi and company.
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Lets clarify a misunderstanding, the previous Book is NOT the whole Bible. It is just the Book of Moses(whatever that is).
The problem is that the Pentateuch is clearly a pseudepigrapha written by historians during exile. This is evidenced by its chronological order(historians write like this), third person address of God and Moses at the same time, narrating post-sinatic events and being too big for the tablets to contain.
The rest of the Bible is also a collection of the most politically correct pseudepigraphas. Do you really think that Job wrote the Book of Job? What about Judges or the Book of Kings? Why is the whole Bible a historical narrative? The short answer is forgery. NOT corruption. Many muslims fall for the trap of corruption which can be easily refuted. There is a difference between corruption and fraud.
Peace.
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Peace,
It means you are reluctant to answer this question in "Yes or No"
It only happenes when one is not clear about it and wants to keeps statement ambigous.No, your question was not complete, nor do you give answers only ambiguous questions.
Define which Bible?
If you are implying the Catholic Bible authenticated approved as divine by Constantine and the Nicene Council (325 CE) which contains the writings of Paul and verses as below the answer is NO!
Deuteronomy 2223-24
If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city.John 19
17 and bearing his cross, he went forth to the place called Place of a Skull, which is called in Hebrew Golgotha; 18 where they crucified him, and with him two others, on this side, and on that side, and Jesus in the midst.To be honest I still do not know what he is saying.
Exactly this...
confirm
?verb
- to establish the truth, accuracy, validity, or genuineness.
Qur?an contains within it the true, accurate, valid, genuine Taur?t and Injeel.
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Salaam,
Is therer genuine Tauraat and injeel which aslo contained in the Qruan ?
Where do you get the concept that Tauraat and injeel areincluded in the Quran ?12111
In their narration (stories there) had been an example to those of the pure minds/hearts (it) was not a speech (hadeethan) to be fabricated and but confirmation (to) which (is) between His hands and clarifying every thing, and guidance, and mercy to (a) nation believing.
Why repeat the stories in Qur'an other than to clarify the truth?
Where do I get Yousaf Najjar 's relationship with Marry in the Quran?
Why you need this information, does not surah Maryam and rest of Qur'an suffice?
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5aIi3OqOJU
Regards
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Just a theory, but...
Ibn Hanbal is one of the hadith narrators I believe.
....Hannibal is a Greek name.
Stoning and things related to stones are found in Greek mythology. Hmm....
Are there any other Arabic names that sound Greek? Perhaps that's where the paganism came from in Islam.
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Just a theory, but...
Ibn Hanbal is one of the hadith narrators I believe.
....Hannibal is a Greek name.
Stoning and things related to stones are found in Greek mythology. Hmm....
Are there any other Arabic names that sound Greek? Perhaps that's where the paganism came from in Islam.
What about stoning in the Torah? All the freak laws in the Hadiths seems to be Torah based.
Could it be that the Greeks wrote the Torah during Alexander the Great?
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Could it be that the Greeks wrote the Torah during Alexander the Great?
All that is known about Alexander was written hundreds of years after the fact.
? Plutarch, Life of Alexander
http//classics.mit.edu/Plutarch/alexandr.html
? Arrian of Nicomedia, History of Alexander.
? Quintus Curtius Rufus, The History of Alexander
? Diodorus of Sicily Universal HistoryWhat is portrayed is the persona and ideology of the writers mostly not much different than hadith literature.
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I think the time period between Ancient Egypt and Greece is about a 1000 years, with Egypt being first.
The Torah could have been altered somewhere around the time of the Greeks, which I believe stoning originated from.
Stoning made it's way into Christianity and then Islam.
What I just find interesting is Hanbal is pretty much a Greek name.
I think Muslim was simply a fraud who used that name to be accepted.
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What about stoning in the Torah? All the freak laws in the Hadiths seems to be Torah based.
Could it be that the Greeks wrote the Torah during Alexander the Great?
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