Stoning Punishment in the Bible
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Dear Eid
Salaam
Dear brother the proper way if you answer the question in a precise way then bring the evidence in its fafvor. You are pasting and pasting sequence of verse from which any one get the information of his own idea. But what is your interpretation of yout these verses no one knows. This is not fair.
So I am putting the first question please answer in yes or no bring one verse as evidence so that we should know what you want to say.Does Quran confirm Previous scriptures (BIBLe) ,yes or No ?
To be honest I still do not know what he is saying. I think he wants me to comment on the verses. You know the OT was always difficult. The earlier Christians were reluctant to include it in their scriptures because they say it as too legalistic and punitive. But in the end they had no choice. Its too rich of a scripture. But because he is not able to accept the historicity and the environment the OT came he is not able to accept it. He still understands the term rule by the Tawrat or rule by the Koran in a theocratic way. like the way we understand laws in today's society. the Koran says the same about the Injeel, yet the Injeel has very little if any theocracy or public policy. But it talks about justice and mercy and fairness, the details is not what the Koran is talking about as they can differ from society to society. But many Koranist come from a Sunni background and they understand the terminolgies the way Sunnis use them. They see the OT as another hadith in steroids and are trying to find a way to ignore them but the verses in the Koran about the validity of the previous scriptures got them stuck.
They see any talk of lack of theocracy as secularism. But by their insistence on trying to create a theocracy from the Koran they are stretching the Koran beyond its design and are taking us back to Imam Al Shafi who also came up with another revelation to provide a theocracy and an orthodoxy that the Koran did not provide.
This is a very sensitive issue. But the good news is that they will not be able to achieve this theocracy of theirs from the Koran, although i believe some want to put some spin on the verses of the Koran to make it look modern. Other can put their spin also. Just like Sallat and haj(orthodoxy), we will not be able to agree and will have to accept pluralism. We can't go back to Imam Malik and Al Shafi and company.
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Lets clarify a misunderstanding, the previous Book is NOT the whole Bible. It is just the Book of Moses(whatever that is).
The problem is that the Pentateuch is clearly a pseudepigrapha written by historians during exile. This is evidenced by its chronological order(historians write like this), third person address of God and Moses at the same time, narrating post-sinatic events and being too big for the tablets to contain.
The rest of the Bible is also a collection of the most politically correct pseudepigraphas. Do you really think that Job wrote the Book of Job? What about Judges or the Book of Kings? Why is the whole Bible a historical narrative? The short answer is forgery. NOT corruption. Many muslims fall for the trap of corruption which can be easily refuted. There is a difference between corruption and fraud.
Peace.
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Peace,
It means you are reluctant to answer this question in "Yes or No"
It only happenes when one is not clear about it and wants to keeps statement ambigous.No, your question was not complete, nor do you give answers only ambiguous questions.
Define which Bible?
If you are implying the Catholic Bible authenticated approved as divine by Constantine and the Nicene Council (325 CE) which contains the writings of Paul and verses as below the answer is NO!
Deuteronomy 2223-24
If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city.John 19
17 and bearing his cross, he went forth to the place called Place of a Skull, which is called in Hebrew Golgotha; 18 where they crucified him, and with him two others, on this side, and on that side, and Jesus in the midst.To be honest I still do not know what he is saying.
Exactly this...
confirm
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- to establish the truth, accuracy, validity, or genuineness.
Qur?an contains within it the true, accurate, valid, genuine Taur?t and Injeel.
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Salaam,
Is therer genuine Tauraat and injeel which aslo contained in the Qruan ?
Where do you get the concept that Tauraat and injeel areincluded in the Quran ?12111
In their narration (stories there) had been an example to those of the pure minds/hearts (it) was not a speech (hadeethan) to be fabricated and but confirmation (to) which (is) between His hands and clarifying every thing, and guidance, and mercy to (a) nation believing.
Why repeat the stories in Qur'an other than to clarify the truth?
Where do I get Yousaf Najjar 's relationship with Marry in the Quran?
Why you need this information, does not surah Maryam and rest of Qur'an suffice?
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5aIi3OqOJU
Regards
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Just a theory, but...
Ibn Hanbal is one of the hadith narrators I believe.
....Hannibal is a Greek name.
Stoning and things related to stones are found in Greek mythology. Hmm....
Are there any other Arabic names that sound Greek? Perhaps that's where the paganism came from in Islam.
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Just a theory, but...
Ibn Hanbal is one of the hadith narrators I believe.
....Hannibal is a Greek name.
Stoning and things related to stones are found in Greek mythology. Hmm....
Are there any other Arabic names that sound Greek? Perhaps that's where the paganism came from in Islam.
What about stoning in the Torah? All the freak laws in the Hadiths seems to be Torah based.
Could it be that the Greeks wrote the Torah during Alexander the Great?
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Could it be that the Greeks wrote the Torah during Alexander the Great?
All that is known about Alexander was written hundreds of years after the fact.
? Plutarch, Life of Alexander
http//classics.mit.edu/Plutarch/alexandr.html
? Arrian of Nicomedia, History of Alexander.
? Quintus Curtius Rufus, The History of Alexander
? Diodorus of Sicily Universal HistoryWhat is portrayed is the persona and ideology of the writers mostly not much different than hadith literature.
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I think the time period between Ancient Egypt and Greece is about a 1000 years, with Egypt being first.
The Torah could have been altered somewhere around the time of the Greeks, which I believe stoning originated from.
Stoning made it's way into Christianity and then Islam.
What I just find interesting is Hanbal is pretty much a Greek name.
I think Muslim was simply a fraud who used that name to be accepted.
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What about stoning in the Torah? All the freak laws in the Hadiths seems to be Torah based.
Could it be that the Greeks wrote the Torah during Alexander the Great?
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