Which punishment do you feel is worse to have?
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this is so obvious
it's the punishment that leads to irreversible damageI agree as well
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Thanks for the responses so far.
I will give my reason for the poll shortly.
I'm guessing it is to compare the Quranic punishments vs. the Hadithist punishments.
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The reason behind the poll was...
In The Quran
after it states the punishment of 100 lashes it says "And let not compassion/pity with them keep you in carrying out God's law/system"
BUT
after it allegedly states to cut off the hand(s) it says no similar thing.
The observation being, if most find the latter a worse punishment to inflict or to have done, why does The Quran apparently have it the other way round?
One possibility is of course that in 538 it does not mean to cut off the hand(s).
peace.
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The reason behind the poll was...
In The Quran
after it states the punishment of 100 lashes it says "And let not compassion/pity with them keep you in carrying out God's law/system"
BUT
after it allegedly states to cut off the hand(s) it says no similar thing.
The observation being, if most find the latter a worse punishment to inflict or to have done, why does The Quran apparently have it the other way round?
One possibility is of course that in 538 it does not mean to cut off the hand(s).
peace.
Peace,
Nice observation!
I think 538 refers to "cut/mark" not "cut off". Remember that you need the 7 limbs for prostration.
Read this http//submission.org/satan/theft.html
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Looking at this again, I think it becomes obvious that the verse does not imply "cutting off" the hand, else a clause on pity would have been appropriate, granted there is one for lashes for rapists (ie. ones who commit "zina".
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The hands meant are not that kind of hands, it is the same kind of hands as when it talks about ma malakat aymanu... That is the hands from the point of view of the capacity, that is, the legal or material ability or the means.
That is nto fantasy, yhat is perfect Arabic as we see, without havin to look very far with the ma malakat. What? the ma malakat must be 24 hours 365 days a year being held in the hand? Obviously it is the authority, the capacity the legal title what is being dealt with, not a flesh hand.I thin it is plain and obvious. The punishment must always be proportionate to the crime. Where is the proportion between cutting a hand and not doing anything to the thief. All or nothing? What kind of justice is that? It takes away form the community all possibility of meeting a punishment proportionate to the crime, foring it to cripple the culprit forever or letting him or her get scotfree... wherever you set the limit for the sentencing.
If it is marking the hands, what you steal a hen at a givent time, may be out of obfuscation, and you are going to be branded forever?
Salaam
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Salaam,
538
538 And the man who steals and the woman who steals, cut off their hands as a punishment for what they have earned, an exemplary punishment from Allah; and Allah is Mighty, Wise.1250
1250 And the king said Bring him to me. So when the messenger came to him, he said Go back to your lord and ask him, what is the case of the women who cut their hands; surely my Lord knows their guile.hmm hmm hmm
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan -
The simple point brought up in this thread is actually a good one to raise if ever in a discussion with someone advocating a physical "cutting-off the hand" interpretation, i.e. begin by saying...
- which is a worse punishment in your view having your hand cut-off or 100 lashes? (most/all tend to say cutting-off hand is worse)
then say...
- when the Quran mentions the punishment of lashes it says immediately after to not let pity prevent you from administering such a punishment, but it says no such thing for the alleged cutting-off the hand even though you say this is worse - why?
Most do not have an explanation.
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Salaam,
538
538 And the man who steals and the woman who steals, cut off their hands as a punishment for what they have earned, an exemplary punishment from Allah; and Allah is Mighty, Wise.1250
1250 And the king said Bring him to me. So when the messenger came to him, he said Go back to your lord and ask him, what is the case of the women who cut their hands; surely my Lord knows their guile.hmm hmm hmm
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhanWhat are you trying to say or point out?
Salaam
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The simple point brought up in this thread is actually a good one to raise if ever in a discussion with someone advocating a physical "cutting-off the hand" interpretation, i.e. begin by saying...
- which is a worse punishment in your view having your hand cut-off or 100 lashes? (most/all tend to say cutting-off hand is worse)
then say...
- when the Quran mentions the punishment of lashes it says immediately after to not let pity prevent you from administering such a punishment, but it says no such thing for the alleged cutting-off the hand even though you say this is worse - why?
Most do not have an explanation.
Yes, I get your point and you are right and I should not have detracted from the specific highlight you are trying to throw on this, but I think I got a bit impatient with the mere notion that the expression should be taken as amputating flesh hands.
Your point is indeed an addition to the evidence against amputation. Thank you.
Salaam
