Is Hell Eternal?
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280 And they say "The Fire shall not touch us but for a few numbered days" Say "Have ye taken a promise from Allah, for He never breaks His promise? or is it that ye say of Allah what ye do not know?"
Waqaloo lan tamassana alnnaruilla ayyaman maAAdoodatan qul attakhathtumAAinda Allahi AAahdan falan yukhlifa AllahuAAahdahu am taqooloona AAala Allahi ma lataAAlamoona
281 Nay, those who seek gain in evil, and are girt round by their sins,- they are companions of the Fire Therein shall they abide (For ever).
Bala man kasaba sayyi-atan waahatatbihi khatee-atuhu faola-ika as-habu alnnarihum feeha khalidoonaThe problem is do i have to believe what is written in brackets at the end of chapter 2, verse 81
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We may clothe it in whichever words we choose, but to an y mind, to punish anybody eternally to the most horrendous suffering is disproportionate, unimaginable of anybody who claims beig just and even most merciful. If we, who are not all merciful would not punish anybody eternally horrendouslly, excuse me, but something here is missing, no matter how clever we may be with words.
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1)will muslims, who committed sins more than good deeds; will they go to heaven someday after spending time in hell?
2)how do we know that time will exist in heaven and hell;because time started after the big bang?
3)Will earth/solar system/milkyway/local group/whole Universe be destroyed on ahirat(doomsday)?
peace
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Does not the Koran say in some verses that "we will give them a taste of the punishment"? La Nuthieqannahum Min Athab Al Hareeq. This could be different from eternity as other verses say. Samia would know the Arabic of those verses as to the difference between LiYuthiqannahum and Liyumassannahum and Khulood(eternity).
Thieq I think is taste and Mas is touch.
Some have said that Khulood has different meanings.
Also this
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6.128. One day will He gather them all together, (and say) "O ye assembly of Jinns! Much (toll) did ye take of men." Their friends amongst men will say "Our Lord! we made profit from each other but (alas!) we reached our term - which thou didst appoint for us." He will say "The Fire be your dwelling-place you will dwell therein for ever, except as Allah willeth." for thy Lord is full of wisdom and knowledge.
11.107-108. They will dwell therein for all the time that the heavens and the earth endure, except as thy Lord willeth for thy Lord is the (sure) accomplisher of what He planneth. And those who are blessed shall be in the Garden They will dwell therein for all the time that the heavens and the earth endure, except as thy Lord willeth a gift without break.
hmm
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Peace huruf,
??? If we, who are not all merciful would not punish anybody eternally horrendouslly,?..?
Did you not know about the life time imprisonment? Some country even has two life time sentence. How about death sentence? All these worldly punishment equates to eternal punishment. Think about it. Life=eternal.
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I've never stolen, or murdered or committed a sexual transgression, but it's still hard to swallow that if I (especially as a youth) got caught up in a bad crowd and stole a bike or something and then got plowed down by a truck I'd end up in hell for all time.
I think that, but then I see evil men on TV, murderers, politicians, etc and they're so totally unapologetic, forever doesn't seem long enough. Surely God is just and is a God of discretion.
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Is that why they don't eat meat?
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HELL IS REAL AND ETERNAL JUST AS HEAVEN IS REAL AND ETERNAL
ALLAHU ALAMUDo you have any evidence?
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Peace Diem,
?How can someone deserve to go to heaven/hell for ETERNITY for doing sins/good deeds for about 60-80 years of his/her life??Because the amount of damage caused by the crime is infinity. On the other hand worshiping one God and doing good deeds amounts to infinite joy and happiness.
Um....No.
How is damage done by anything last for infinity?
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I think Edip nails it...
http//19.org/index.php?id=14,176,0,0,1,0
Although I'm a bit skeptic whether or not the inhabitants will be vanquished along with hell, if hell is going to end in the first place.
However as far as I know, as far as lasting forever, the Quran says, according to the verses in that article that the dwellers will stay there forever, but it does not say HELL will last forever.
The article lists some examples of things being "forever" like "you shall NEVER (abada) marry the prophet's wives after he dies." However note that this order can no longer exist because the wives are dead. I think the same goes for hell and its dwellers.
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almarh0m
"Are you saying that the threat of being thrown into "the eternal fire" is all about scare mongering to keep us all in line ?"
That is precisely my argument, actually. I think it has always been a means of social control.
I must also concur with those who say, it is very hypocritical of a God who claims to be the Most Merciful to burn someone in hell even for a year for a life lived in disbelief of Qur'an or God in general when they may have lived a very honorable life and gave much to charity and aided many orphans and homeless.
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I think when God promises Hell for disbelievers, he does not mean they can go there for the simple fact they didn't believe in him. That is why he says those who do good will enter paradise.
It is worshipping idols that is a sin. Disbelief to me can only be a sin because you're not thanking the God that gave you all that you have.
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Meteora,
According to that logic, which I agree with, go over to the Monotheists thread and rally against Ahmad Bilal who is heck bent on refuting 262 where it says "anyone who does deeds of righteousness.." to mean just Jews, Christians, Sabians or Muslims (as we see the term used today).
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Meteora,
According to that logic, which I agree with, go over to the Monotheists thread and rally against Ahmad Bilal who is heck bent on refuting 262 where it says "anyone who does deeds of righteousness.." to mean just Jews, Christians, Sabians or Muslims (as we see the term used today).
Sabians = followers of other belief systems (or apostates).
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almarh0m
"Are you saying that the threat of being thrown into "the eternal fire" is all about scare mongering to keep us all in line ?"
That is precisely my argument, actually. I think it has always been a means of social control.
I must also concur with those who say, it is very hypocritical of a God who claims to be the Most Merciful to burn someone in hell even for a year for a life lived in disbelief of Qur'an or God in general when they may have lived a very honorable life and gave much to charity and aided many orphans and homeless.
Yup! My thoughts exactly
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Here are some interesting verses to ponder...
11106 As for those who are distraught, they will be in the Fire; in it for them is a sighing and a wailing.
11107 Abiding therein as long as the heavens and the earth exist, except for what your Lord wishes. Your Lord does as He pleases.
11108 As for those who are fortunate, they will be in the Paradise; abiding therein as long as the heavens and the earth exist, except for what your Lord wishes, a giving without end.When we tell someone "I will love you forever" is that really possible? One day we will cease to exist. Just a figure of speech.
Many of us are still stuck in the literal, traditionalist mindset.