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Ablution, Speaking Audibly and Salat

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    Supernaut
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    56 O you who believe, if you rise to hold the communion, then wash your faces and your hands up to the elbows, and wipe your heads and your feet to the ankles; and if you have had intercourse, then you shall bathe. And if you are ill, or traveling, or you have excreted feces, or you have had sexual contact with the women, and you cannot not find water, then you shall select from the clean soil; you shall wipe your faces and your hands with it. God does not want to place any hardship on you, but He wants to cleanse you and to complete His blessings upon you that you may be appreciative.

    17110 Say ?Call on God or call on the Almighty. Whichever it is you call on, for to Him are the best names.? And do not be too loud in making your communion, nor too quite; but seek a path in between.

    I think the prophet was commanded to say all of 17110 and not just the bit that the free-minds.org puts between quotation marks. I think we're commanded to wash ourselves (not necessarily in the order mentioned in 56 and not necessarily just the body parts mentioned in 56) and speak audibly only when we're communing with others because 56 address "Those who believed" and if I'm right about 17110, the prophet was told to tell the believers to speak in a moderate tone when communing. Both verses seem to address groups of believers and not believers individually. It doesn't make sense to read the great reading in a moderate tone when studying it alone and it makes more sense to wash yourself if you're going to be studying the great reading with other people. If it really was very necessary to be clean for salat, then perhaps the god would've commanded us to wash our pits and our privates too because they're often the least clean body parts of a person, but because people don't expose those body parts as often as they do their hands, faces, heads and feet, the god doesn't command us to wash them. What do the rest of you think?

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      Peace Forum Folks

      Got a query here. It is about AQ 56, the wudu/ablution. I want to know the difference between the words wipe and wash, and whether the feet are supposed to be washed or wiped. The sunnis at Uni said "wash" but my husband says it's wipe. I want to find out from the Qur'an. I've seen a few different translations and the word "wash" when referring to the feet is in brackets, and the feet comes after wiping or passing wet hands over the head. if the feet were meant to be washed, wouldn't the feet come before the wiping?

      I mean logically,
      if i told you to wash the pots and the pans
      and wipe the table and the kitchen counter, you wouldn't take it to mean wash the kitchen counter unless i had put all three things to be washed grouped together like this

      wash the pots and pans and the kitchen counter
      and wipe the table

      I take "wash" to mean get the dirt off with soap and then rinse the soap off, and "wipe" usually to mean pass a damp cloth over. so does it actually say "pass wet hands over" or "wipe" or "wipe with a cloth" ?

      Not being familiar enough with the arabic alphabet and words, I do struggle, so please help.

      thanks and Peace 2 all

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        Ahmad_Bilal
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        Peace,

        I want to know the difference between the words wipe and wash, and whether the feet are supposed to be washed or wiped. The sunnis at Uni said "wash" but my husband says it's wipe. I want to find out from the Qur'an. I've seen a few different translations and the word "wash" when referring to the feet is in brackets, and the feet comes after wiping or passing wet hands over the head. if the feet were meant to be washed, wouldn't the feet come before the wiping?

        The Qur'aan actually says to "wash" the feet, not wipe them.
        http//www.submission.org/ablution.html

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          Wakas
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          I recommend using the search function of the forum.

          All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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            UmAlawi
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            Peace Brother Wakas
            I used the search function and it brought me here. Am I doing something wrong?

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              Wakas
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              peace,

              Yes, it would seem you are using the search function wrong. For example when I type in "ablution" it brings up 9 pages of posts. The very first in the list, that thread may answer your question.

              All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                UmAlawi
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                Peace Brother Wakas
                Thanks for the hint! I found it by typing in the word you recommended. I had typed a search for "wash or wipe" instead of being more general.
                I guess I am too used to Google

                But thanks, that thread was useful. So it's wipe then, not wash... cheers

                Peace

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