Anthony Wallace - a messenger or not?
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Brother Anthony,
I have viewed your links, and while I agree with some of your views (and held those beliefs long, long ago), you still bring no new message outside of the Quran, only your understanding of it. The duty of a messenger is to deliver a message, you cannot take someone else's message and claim to deliver it as your own. I simply tell you this so you do not squander God's gift of wisdom, for God grants wisdom to whom He pleases. One cannot simply take their understanding of a message and then claim to have been divinely authorized to deliver it. The Quran is VERY clear that we are to use our own individual reason when studying it, and strongly emphasizes that "No soul shall bear another's burden". In essence, God is telling us NOT to rely on other people for understanding of His word, but to seek guidance individually through Him.
When you take your individual understanding of the Quran Anthony, and try to pass it off on others under the guise of being a 'divinely chosen messenger', you directly contradict what God tells us about using our own reasoning and understanding to understand His word. Furthermore, you simply use the message already in place, tkae your understanding of it, and claim to have brought a message. Brother Wallace, please hear me, you do not have a message, but you already possess God's message brought by Muhammad. This is my proof. We ALL have a different understanding of the Quran to some degree or another, but how DARE we try to pass off our understanding on others under the guise of being a messenger...This is to be gravely astray. Rashad fell into the same trap, in my opinion.
One simply cannot attempt to pass their own understanding off on others, we are COMMANDED by God to not rely on others, forefathers, etc. for our understanding, but God telling us to seek guidance through Him alone. Your message Anthony, is your own understanding, and your claims of messegnership are attributing lies unto God, and this is why I am scared for you...
1017 Who is more wicked than one who invents lies about God or denies His signs? The criminals will never succeed.
Peace
Which book was revealed to RK?
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every body on this forum is a messenger in my opinion
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Peace
Which book was revealed to RK?
RegardsNone, that was exactly my point. RK fell into the same trap of taking God's message, applying his own understanding, and then trying to pass his understanding off as being 'divinely inspired' and 'authorized' by God. I do not, nor have ever believed RK to be a divinely authorized messenger. I made this clear MANY years ago on the submitters forum. I even went so far as to 'prove' my messengership by using the gematrical value of my full name, which is a multiple of 19. For anyone who wants verification of this, PM me and I'll send you my full name.
It is in my opinion, smoke and mirrors used by Satan to divert us from remembering God alone.
Say yes to God alone, and NO to anyone, or anything else. peace
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None, that was exactly my point. RK fell into the same trap of taking God's message, applying his own understanding, and then trying to pass his understanding off as being 'divinely inspired' and 'authorized' by God. I do not, nor have ever believed RK to be a divinely authorized messenger. I made this clear MANY years ago on the submitters forum. I even went so far as to 'prove' my messengership by using the gematrical value of my full name, which is a multiple of 19. For anyone who wants verification of this, PM me and I'll send you my full name.
It is in my opinion, smoke and mirrors used by Satan to divert us from remembering God alone.
Say yes to God alone, and NO to anyone, or anything else. peace
I guess it wasnt really HIS problem/fault that much. It is more the problem of THOSE WHO IDOLIZE HIM and follow EVERYTHING he said or did (hadith and sunna of RK).
I believe he was a messenger, but then again he was only human. He made mistakes.
You want to see some of them and something about those who idolize him?http//www.yuksel.org/e/religion/submitters.htm
http//www.yuksel.org/e/religion/signs.htmPeace
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I guess it wasnt really HIS problem/fault that much. It is more the problem of THOSE WHO IDOLIZE HIM and follow EVERYTHING he said or did (hadith and sunna of RK).
I believe he was a messenger, but then again he was only human. He made mistakes.
You want to see some of them and something about those who idolize him?http//www.yuksel.org/e/religion/submitters.htm
http//www.yuksel.org/e/religion/signs.htmPeace
Given the chance, mankind will almost always resort to worshipping, idolizing, or reverencing someone or something next to God. It is in my opinion, Satan's biggest trick. If he cannot get us to turn from God altogether, why not insert someone to be idolized or worshpped next to Him? Satan is MUCH smarter than any of us, and he uses his tricks to deceive us. The only way to be smarter than him or to see through his trickery is to rely on God for understanding and guidance.
As for Mr. Yuksel, I have always loved his work and think him a wise, wise man. Spoke with his several years ago via telephone, and was struck by his sense of humility.
Anyway, I'm not here to argue or debate whether Rashad was or wasn't a messenger, for he is long gone and if his message was God alone (not a new message, in my opinion), then anyone who truly believes in His message will seek and reverence God alone, without him. I do however, take issue with people who come along at present and try to pass off their understanding of religion (any religion) as being 'authorized' by God, Anthony Wallace is one of those, and let anyone who believes in his 'messengership' beware lest his misunderstandings about God and Quran lead them awry, for on the Day of Judgment they will be responsible for their own actions, Anthony will not. God specifically tells us not to follow other people's views based upon who they are, rather He exhorts us to use our own understanding and reason to come to a sincere belief and path through Him i.e. allowing God alone to guide us.
peace
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Take it easy, it was just out of curiosity.
Peace, oh no, Im ok. I wasnt sayin that in a bad way. Just out of curiosity like you. Peace. peace
Brother Anthony,
I have viewed your links, and while I agree with some of your views (and held those beliefs long, long ago), you still bring no new message outside of the Quran, only your understanding of it. The duty of a messenger is to deliver a message, you cannot take someone else's message and claim to deliver it as your own. I simply tell you this so you do not squander God's gift of wisdom, for God grants wisdom to whom He pleases. One cannot simply take their understanding of a message and then claim to have been divinely authorized to deliver it. The Quran is VERY clear that we are to use our own individual reason when studying it, and strongly emphasizes that "No soul shall bear another's burden". In essence, God is telling us NOT to rely on other people for understanding of His word, but to seek guidance individually through Him.
When you take your individual understanding of the Quran Anthony, and try to pass it off on others under the guise of being a 'divinely chosen messenger', you directly contradict what God tells us about using our own reasoning and understanding to understand His word. Furthermore, you simply use the message already in place, tkae your understanding of it, and claim to have brought a message. Brother Wallace, please hear me, you do not have a message, but you already possess God's message brought by Muhammad. This is my proof. We ALL have a different understanding of the Quran to some degree or another, but how DARE we try to pass off our understanding on others under the guise of being a messenger...This is to be gravely astray. Rashad fell into the same trap, in my opinion.
One simply cannot attempt to pass their own understanding off on others, we are COMMANDED by God to not rely on others, forefathers, etc. for our understanding, but God telling us to seek guidance through Him alone. Your message Anthony, is your own understanding, and your claims of messegnership are attributing lies unto God, and this is why I am scared for you...
1017 Who is more wicked than one who invents lies about God or denies His signs? The criminals will never succeed.
Can I get a witness?
Do you believe in some of my views and reject some? What part dont you agree with? Do you not understand? Are those who know equal to those who dont know? Or are the blind and the seer the same? You do agree that God grants wisdom to whom He pleases, and that those who lies about God or deny His sings are the wicked?? Who sent you?
I do not desire to bring a new message outside of the Quran as you can see> Nor am I required to do so , except if God wills. Glory be to our God. I have no knowleadege except what He has taught. These messages I deliver to you are my Lords messages. Not mine. When I take my understanding of the Quran, and try to push it off on others- not in disguise like you and everybodyelse- I am not contradicting what God tells us about using our own reasoning and understanding to understand His word ( if thats what you whant to call it).
You only viewed my links. I am only required to teach the Quran, and to make it clear to the people, and to clarify for you those matters that you dispute about, and that I recite Quran...ect.. I am only requred to deliver clearly. And to warn you with the Quran. Allah is the One who taught the Quran to His annointed one. God is also tellin us to obey Him and His messenger, and has took the covenate of the prophets that a messenger will come to you and authenticate what God has taught you of the scripture and wisdom and that you will believe in him and support him and help him persever. And to follow him so that you will be guided. And whoever obeys God messenger, has obeyed God. And yes, it is Allah who makes the Quran understood, and it is Allah who makes His annointed one understood. And yes I tell you this for certain, that Allah is more worthy to be followed than His annointed one. You know that I am Gods messenger to you. Furthermore, this is the kind of stuff that was said to the other messengers. You are also doing the same things you accuse me of; you have your understanding ( if any), and I have my understanding. And I tell you for certain that anyone who believes in my message, and in the One who sent me has already went from death to life.
Be aware of your Lord. And ask those who recieved the reminder if you do not know. And ask the people of the rememberance if you do not know. And ask God, He is Wise, Expert . Obey God and obey the messenger.
Dont fall into the trap of rejecting Gods messenger without knowledge. Because I can recite the Scripture to you, and it wont be in favor of those who reject, nor will it support any of their claims. And do not say that I claim something that I didnt claim. peace
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Can I get a witness?
Here you go
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=16162.30 (check the last 3 posts)
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9597477.30
Also when I gave him a good advice, Anthony said
"Im not into taking any orders from the rejecters and hyporcrits. I tell you what to do."
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3100 O you who believe, if you obey a group of those who received the Scripture they will turn you after your belief into rejecters!
2552 So do not obey the rejecters, and strive against them with it in a great striving.
331 O you prophet, you shall be aware of God, and do not obey the rejecters and the hypocrites. God is Knowledgeable, Wise.
3348 And do not obey the rejecters and the hypocrites, and ignore their insults, and put your trust in God; God suffices as an advocate.
7624 So be patient to the judgment of your Lord, and do not obey from them any sinner or rejecter.4724 Do they not reflect on the Qur?an? Or are there locks on their hearts?
4725 Surely, those who reverted back, after the guidance has been made clear to them, the devil has enticed them and led them on.
4726 That is because they said to those who hated what God had sent down ?We will obey you in certain matters.? And God knows their secrets.
4727 So how will it be when their lives are terminated by the angels, while striking their faces and their backs?
4728 That is because they followed that which angered God, and they hated that which pleased Him. Thus, He nullified their works.
4729 Or did those who harbor a disease in their hearts think that God would not bring out their evil thoughts?
4730 And if We wished, We would show them to you so you would recognize them by their looks. However, you can recognize them by their speech. And God is fully aware of your works.
4731 And We will test you for We know those who strive among you and those who are patient. And We will bring out your qualities.
4732 Those who have rejected and repelled from the path of God, and stood against the messenger after the guidance has been made clear for them, they will not harm God in the least, and He will nullify their works. -
Of course Anthony Wallace is a messenger -- I have 100% verifiable proof!
GV = 1 50 400 5 50 70 6 30 30 1 60 70
?alif 1
nn 50
t? 400
h? 5
nn 50
?ain 70ww 6
lm 30
lm 30
?alif 1
sn 60
?ain 701 50 400 5 50 70 6 30 30 1 60 70 = 19 x 19 x 4166220241171828700 { exactly 19 digits too} hail
copy/paste digits into miracle/messenger verifier
http//www.apostatesofislam.com/quran/analyzer.htmPeace
Nice innuendo ;D, but there is a little problem. First, converting latin alphabet, especially English spellings to Arabic is usually arbitrary... Second, Anthony does not contain the letter 'Ain (70) in its end, but the letter Y (10), and Wallas too does not have 'Ain (70) in the end. The arbitrary nature of your transliteration and your inclusion of ghost letters turn your innuendo into a broken guitar's tremando and then to a morendo.
PS Since Rashad Khalifa's declaration of his messengership, I have personally received invitation from more than a dozen copy-cat messengers (from Turkey to Algeria, from France to USA)... Some of them frequented 19.org/forum... A few years ago there was an inflation of those pretenders and we witnessed a troop of them fighting with each other at the forum for the title of Messenger... Recently, I decided to open up a new forum at 19.org site under the title Mega Personal Claims... We are now moving any messages posted by those who claim to be a messenger right to where it belongs the Mega forum ;D
PS As for those who takes advantage of falsehood (such as silly and delusional claims and innumerate abuses of code 19) in order to make mockery of God's messengers and God's signs in nature and scripture, will find out one day that they are real losers.
Peace,
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Peace, oh no, Im ok. I wasnt sayin that in a bad way. Just out of curiosity like you. Peace. peace
Can I get a witness?
Do you believe in some of my views and reject some? What part dont you agree with? Do you not understand? Are those who know equal to those who dont know? Or are the blind and the seer the same? You do agree that God grants wisdom to whom He pleases, and that those who lies about God or deny His sings are the wicked?? Who sent you?
I do not desire to bring a new message outside of the Quran as you can see> Nor am I required to do so , except if God wills. Glory be to our God. I have no knowleadege except what He has taught. These messages I deliver to you are my Lords messages. Not mine. When I take my understanding of the Quran, and try to push it off on others- not in disguise like you and everybodyelse- I am not contradicting what God tells us about using our own reasoning and understanding to understand His word ( if thats what you whant to call it).
You only viewed my links. I am only required to teach the Quran, and to make it clear to the people, and to clarify for you those matters that you dispute about, and that I recite Quran...ect.. I am only requred to deliver clearly. And to warn you with the Quran. Allah is the One who taught the Quran to His annointed one. God is also tellin us to obey Him and His messenger, and has took the covenate of the prophets that a messenger will come to you and authenticate what God has taught you of the scripture and wisdom and that you will believe in him and support him and help him persever. And to follow him so that you will be guided. And whoever obeys God messenger, has obeyed God. And yes, it is Allah who makes the Quran understood, and it is Allah who makes His annointed one understood. And yes I tell you this for certain, that Allah is more worthy to be followed than His annointed one. You know that I am Gods messenger to you. Furthermore, this is the kind of stuff that was said to the other messengers. You are also doing the same things you accuse me of; you have your understanding ( if any), and I have my understanding. And I tell you for certain that anyone who believes in my message, and in the One who sent me has already went from death to life.
Be aware of your Lord. And ask those who recieved the reminder if you do not know. And ask the people of the rememberance if you do not know. And ask God, He is Wise, Expert . Obey God and obey the messenger.
Dont fall into the trap of rejecting Gods messenger without knowledge. Because I can recite the Scripture to you, and it wont be in favor of those who reject, nor will it support any of their claims. And do not say that I claim something that I didnt claim. peace
Peace Anthony,
The mere fact that you claim your messages and understanding/interpretation of the Quran are from God is paramount to being a false messenger. We ALL have a certain understanding of the Quran and God's message, but to try to tell people that our interpretation or understanding is better than others and that they need to follow us CONTRADICTS the Quran, as I have mentioned before.
Now how do you, Anthony get around this? By being God's messenger of course! God was not speaking of YOU in the Quran Anthony, and people denying you aren't denying the messenger mentioned in the Quran. People like me who deny you and think of you as either mentally ill (schizophrenic to be exact), or gravely misguided, since you somehow believe God is speaking of you in a book from over 1400 years ago, when he was clearly speaking of Muhammad. It is sickness, and people like me who deny you only strengthens your misguidance i.e. using the verses about rejecting Muhammad and the Quran to think they are speaking of people who deny you.
Anthony, the Quran does not speak of you, and you are no more special, authorized, or annointed and worthy to be followed than anyone else here. Quite ironically, you tell us/me not to fall into the trap of rejecting God's messenger without knowledge. Ironic because we do not reject His message or messenger (Muhammad), only you. Ironic because if we were to accept you as a messenger, we would be going against the very Quran that you claim to follow. MANY times it speaks out against following other people's opinions and using our own individual reason. We are NOT to follow you Anthony Wallace, you are a false messenger who, if wrong on your views of Islam, will lead people astray. We are to rely on God ALONE for our guidance, and God ALONE is enough for me to be guided.
I think you to be sick, and feel bad for you. I know you think the Quran speaks of you, just as many a schizophrenic thinks the television and/or books are speaking directly to, or about them.
What I hope is that you are able to see the error of your ways, realize that you are not being referred to and any voice you may or may not be hearing are being brought to you from your own (or Satan's) accord.
I deny you fully Anthony Wallace, while accepting the messenger spoke of in Quran. God alone shall be witness between us and I do wish you well.
One more thing, please don't accuse me of trying to push my interpretation of the Quran on others, be it in the open or in disguise (as you specifically said). That is slander to the 10th degree, for ANYONE who knows me, my wife included will tell you that I advocate seeking God alone for guidance. I may or may not be right in my observations about Quran, but God specifically tells you and others NOT to rely on me, but to seek guidance through Him.
All praise be to God, the greatest of the great! peace
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Peace Anthony,
The mere fact that you claim your messages and understanding/interpretation of the Quran are from God is paramount to being a false messenger. We ALL have a certain understanding of the Quran and God's message, but to try to tell people that our interpretation or understanding is better than others and that they need to follow us CONTRADICTS the Quran, as I have mentioned before.
Now how do you, Anthony get around this? By being God's messenger of course! God was not speaking of YOU in the Quran Anthony, and people denying you aren't denying the messenger mentioned in the Quran. People like me who deny you and think of you as either mentally ill (schizophrenic to be exact), or gravely misguided, since you somehow believe God is speaking of you in a book from over 1400 years ago, when he was clearly speaking of Muhammad. It is sickness, and people like me who deny you only strengthens your misguidance i.e. using the verses about rejecting Muhammad and the Quran to think they are speaking of people who deny you.
Anthony, the Quran does not speak of you, and you are no more special, authorized, or annointed and worthy to be followed than anyone else here. Quite ironically, you tell us/me not to fall into the trap of rejecting God's messenger without knowledge. Ironic because we do not reject His message or messenger (Muhammad), only you. Ironic because if we were to accept you as a messenger, we would be going against the very Quran that you claim to follow. MANY times it speaks out against following other people's opinions and using our own individual reason. We are NOT to follow you Anthony Wallace, you are a false messenger who, if wrong on your views of Islam, will lead people astray. We are to rely on God ALONE for our guidance, and God ALONE is enough for me to be guided.
I think you to be sick, and feel bad for you. I know you think the Quran speaks of you, just as many a schizophrenic thinks the television and/or books are speaking directly to, or about them.
What I hope is that you are able to see the error of your ways, realize that you are not being referred to and any voice you may or may not be hearing are being brought to you from your own (or Satan's) accord.
I deny you fully Anthony Wallace, while accepting the messenger spoke of in Quran. God alone shall be witness between us and I do wish you well.
One more thing, please don't accuse me of trying to push my interpretation of the Quran on others, be it in the open or in disguise (as you specifically said). That is slander to the 10th degree, for ANYONE who knows me, my wife included will tell you that I advocate seeking God alone for guidance. I may or may not be right in my observations about Quran, but God specifically tells you and others NOT to rely on me, but to seek guidance through Him.
All praise be to God, the greatest of the great! peace
Adding to that
551 Ar-Rahman, the Beneficent, the Instant Source of all mercy and Kindness
552 He is the One Who has made known and taught the Qur'an -
If you are a messenger, then where is your book?
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If you are a messenger, then where is your book?
Peace,
messengers don't bring books/laws. They confirm them. Prophets bring new books/laws.
Nonetheless, Anthony Wallace is not a messenger. He is... ...confused. -
Peace,
messengers don't bring books/laws. They confirm them. Prophets bring new books/laws.
Nonetheless, Anthony Wallace is not a messenger. He is... ...confused.Prophets don't necessarily bring new books. For example there is one Law of Moses but numerous prophets after him.
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Prophets doesn't necessarily bring new books. For example there is one Law of Moses but numerous prophets after him.
They bring new books/laws. For example, the Quran was revealed through Muhammad after Moses.
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They bring new books/laws. For example, the Quran was revealed through Muhammad after Moses.
Ofcourse but what about Joshua, Jeremiah, Isaiah etc. They are called prophets by the Quran and the OT. Therefore, prophethood has nothing to do with books and laws. All human messengers are prophets as they talk to the people in the name of God.
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Ofcourse but what about Joshua, Jeremiah, Isaiah etc. They are called prophets by the Quran and the OT. Therefore, prophethood has nothing to do with books and laws. All human messengers are prophets as they talk to the people in the name of God.
Peace Rami,
sometimes I wonder whether you are a Jew or whether you are a Muslim, or whatever other Monotheistic religion. (You suggested some kind of Jedi thing. lol.)
Where is your proof that Jeremiah and Isaiah are prophets?
There are 20 Prophets in the Quran
1- Abraham (also named as a prophet in 1941 and 337)
2- Isaac (also in 1949 and 37112)
3- Jacob (also in 1949)
4- Noah (also in 337)
5- David (also in 1755)
6- Solomon
7- Job
8- Joseph
9- Moses (lso in 1951 and 337)
10- Aaron (also in 1953)
11- Zachariah
12- John (also in 339)
13- Jesus (also in 1930 and 337)
14- Elias
15- Ismail (1954)
16- Elisha
17- Jonah
18- Lot
19- Idris (named a prophet in 1956)
20- Muhammad (who is confirmed to be the last of the prophets (3340)
Remember that Aaron and Moses both recieved the same scripture. Therefore the Quran is the 19th scripture.
Others (not Prophets)
Adam (described as one of the chosen 333, but not associated with the word messenger or prophet)
Hud, Saleh, and Shu 'aib (named as messengers in 26125/ 143/ 178 respectively)
Zal-Kifl (described as steadfast, patient and righteous 2185 and 384
Luqman (described as one endowed with wisdom 3112)
Nowhere in the Quran is any of these messengers associated with the term 'Scripture'. Non of them delivered a Scripture. Thus according to the definition of 2213 they are not prophets. Three of the six are called messengers (Hud, Saleh, and Shu'aib) while the other three (Adam, Zal-Kifl and Luqman) are only spoken of as receiving God's blessings.
We note that the Quran informs us that God has sent other messengers in the past that we are not told about in the Quran
"We have sent messengers before you, some of them we mentioned to you, and some We did not mention to you." 4078 (also 4164)
However, it is indeed of interest to note that the only two verses that assert that fact (4078 and 4164), both speak of messengers and not of prophets.
check http//www.quran-islam.org/125.html
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Peace;`
progressive1993,I think you are right here. In the OT also there are two chapters one Neviim and the other Ketuviim. (excuse if the spelling or word is wrong) the same as Nabiyoon and Kutub. This empahsize I think is on the connection of books with prophets and not with messengers.
Godbless.
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Peace,
messengers don't bring books/laws. They confirm them. Prophets bring new books/laws.
http//www.submission.org/efarsi/arabic/Surat57_files/57_25.gif
Khalifa
5725 We sent our messengers supported by clear proofs, and we sent down to them the scripture and the law, that the people may uphold justice....http//www.submission.org/efarsi/arabic/Surat2_files/2_213.gif
Khalifa
2213 The people used to be one community when GOD sent the prophets as bearers of good news, as well as warners. He sent down with them the scripture, bearing the truth, to judge among the people in their disputes.....