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Are we punished before we go to heaven?

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    Peace, everyone goes to hell first and then the righteous are removed from the hell and goes to heaven.

    1971 - Every single one of you must see it; this is an irrevocable decision of your Lord.

    1972 - Then we rescue the righteous, and leave the transgressors in it, humiliated.

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      Peace, everyone goes to hell first and then the righteous are removed from the hell and goes to heaven.

      1971 - Every single one of you must see it; this is an irrevocable decision of your Lord.

      1972 - Then we rescue the righteous, and leave the transgressors in it, humiliated.

      You are mistaken. This might be on the Day of Judgement. Everyone SEES hell, to see how awful it is and to see how humiliating it is to be in hell. The righteous however DO NOT GO TO HELL.

      "Give good news to those who believe and work righteousness that they will have gardens with flowing streams. When provided with provisions of fruits therein, they will say, "This is what was given to us in the past." They will be given similar provisions, and they will have pure spouses therein. They abide therein forever." 225

      "Those who emigrate in the cause of God, then get killed or die, God will surely provide for them a good provision." 2258

      "They do not taste death, beyond the first death, and God spares them the retribution of Hell." 4456

      Peace

      I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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        Peace

        I'm not providing reference here but repentence is good since it's always worthy to acknowledge your faults before God. You've got two baskets you'll be carrying with you, the one with good fruit and the other with rotten fruit. The heavier package determines where you'll go.

        Joe

        Peace,

        I guess trying to better yourself and repairing faults if possible would be better. I can acknowledge faults before God everyday and commit the same again the next ...

        lk

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          Peace

          I'm not providing reference here but repentence is good since it's always worthy to acknowledge your faults before God. You've got two baskets you'll be carrying with you, the one with good fruit and the other with rotten fruit. The heavier package determines where you'll go.

          Joe

          Peace,
          Respectfully.

          I agree.
          We must strive and struggle to make sure that we take as much good as humanly possible, God willing.
          May The Exalted God The Most Merciful helps us all.

          Peace.

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            Peace progressive1993,
            Seeing and experiencing are two different things. What will you gain by seeing and what about 1972 - Then we rescue the righteous, and leave the transgressors in it, humiliated.

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              Peace

              I'm not providing reference here but repentence is good since it's always worthy to acknowledge your faults before God. You've got two baskets you'll be carrying with you, the one with good fruit and the other with rotten fruit. The heavier package determines where you'll go.

              Joe

              Peace

              I understand that the heavier package determines where you go, but are you punished for the rotten fruit?
              I always ask for forgiveness but sometimes I do something wrong and completely forget about it. Nothing scandalous, but I might lie or argue with my parents or feel too tired to wake up at dawn to pray. I felt guilty about stealing a crisp from my sister when she left a bagful on the dressing table!
              When I pray I say 'sorry about this ', 'sorry about that' and also 'sorry about everything' because i know that there may be a few things I have forgotten about. Would that be OK? Am I forgiven?

              God bless

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                Peace Elke

                I can acknowledge faults before God everyday and commit the same again the next

                I agree that this is not how repentence actually works .

                "Yet your Lord, to those who repent and reform after commiting evil out of ignorance, your Lord after that is forgiving, Compassionate."

                Joe

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                  Peace Nsws,

                  are you punished for the rotten fruit?

                  "The good deeds take away the bad."

                  Joe

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                    nsws1988
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                    Peace Nsws,

                    "The good deeds take away the bad."

                    Joe

                    Peace

                    Aha so as long as you do enough good to take away the bad.
                    Phew! I can stop worrying about stealing that crisp now haha

                    God bless

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                      Peace to all,

                      Good deed alone will not get you to heaven. One needs to believe (worship the God alone) and do good deeds to enter heaven.

                      109 - As for those who believe and lead a righteous life, their Lord guides them, by virtue of their belief. Rivers will flow beneath them in the gardens of bliss.

                      2112 - Indeed, those who submit themselves absolutely to GOD alone, while leading a righteous life, will receive their recompense from their Lord; they have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve.

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                        YAYA
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                        FOR ALL HAVE SIN AND COME SHORT OF THE GLORY OF ALLAHU
                        THUS MANY WILL SEE HELL BUT WOULD BE CONSIDERED AFTER A PERIOD OF TIME (THIS PERIOD VARRIES)
                        ALLAU ALAMU

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                          nsws1988
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                          FOR ALL HAVE SIN AND COME SHORT OF THE GLORY OF ALLAHU
                          THUS MANY WILL SEE HELL BUT WOULD BE CONSIDERED AFTER A PERIOD OF TIME (THIS PERIOD VARRIES)
                          ALLAU ALAMU

                          Peace

                          So we go to hell for a bit then after a period of time we go to heaven? confused
                          Do you have Quranic proof for this?

                          God bless

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                            YAYA
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                            Peace,

                            Are we punished for our sins (if we don't repent) before we go to heaven?
                            If so, how? Do we get dipped into hell fire? &

                            God bless

                            WHY ASK, I TOUGHT YOU SAID, THE QURAN EXPLAINED IT ALL, IF SO SEARCH THE QURAN, IF NOT THEN THE HADITH IS WORTH READING (YOU WILL GET SATISFACTORY ANSWER FROM THE SUNNAH OF THE PROPHET) brickwall

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                              nsws1988
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                              WHY ASK, I TOUGHT YOU SAID, THE QURAN EXPLAINED IT ALL, IF SO SEARCH THE QURAN, IF NOT THEN THE HADITH IS WORTH READING (YOU WILL GET SATISFACTORY ANSWER FROM THE SUNNAH OF THE PROPHET) brickwall

                              I am asking those who have studied the whole Quran.
                              If its not in the Quran then God hasn't told us.
                              I'm not going to read some garbage just to give me a false answer. It won't be satisfactory.

                              What is wrong with your logic? * Do you have another book to uphold? * In it, do you find anything you want?

                              I already sent you many similar verses. It is up to you to accept God's words or reject them.

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                                MUNZIR_ALI
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                                well there are many things in sunnah that contradict the quran...so why believe in it?
                                peace

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                                  Peace,

                                  Are we punished for our sins (if we don't repent) before we go to heaven?
                                  If so, how? Do we get dipped into hell fire? &

                                  God bless

                                  Peace,
                                  No where in Quran that God say what you mentioned, but He says it is a Lie, according to 3-24 and the following

                                  280 And they said ?The Fire will not touch us except for a few number of days.? Say ?Have you taken a pledge with God? If so, then God will not break His pledge. Or do you say about God what you do not know??
                                  281 NO, whoever gains a sin, and is surrounded by his mistakes; those are the people of the Fire, in it they abide eternally.
                                  282 And those who believe and do good work, they are the people of Paradise, in it they abide eternally.

                                  God mentioned that all of us will see Hillfire, but He never Said that we will feel its punishment.

                                  3960 And on the Day of Resurrection you will see those who lied about God their faces will be blackened. Is there not an abode in Hell for the arrogant ones?
                                  3961 And God will save those who were righteous as their reward. No harm will touch them, nor will they grieve.

                                  NO Harm will Touch The Believers.

                                  Peace

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                                    Peace,
                                    No where in Quran that God say what you mentioned, but He says it is a Lie, according to 3-24 and the following

                                    280 And they said ?The Fire will not touch us except for a few number of days.? Say ?Have you taken a pledge with God? If so, then God will not break His pledge. Or do you say about God what you do not know??
                                    281 NO, whoever gains a sin, and is surrounded by his mistakes; those are the people of the Fire, in it they abide eternally.
                                    282 And those who believe and do good work, they are the people of Paradise, in it they abide eternally.

                                    God mentioned that all of us will see Hillfire, but He never Said that we will feel its punishment.

                                    3960 And on the Day of Resurrection you will see those who lied about God their faces will be blackened. Is there not an abode in Hell for the arrogant ones?
                                    3961 And God will save those who were righteous as their reward. No harm will touch them, nor will they grieve.

                                    NO Harm will Touch The Believers.

                                    Peace

                                    Peace

                                    Thanks for the verses bravo

                                    God bless

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                                      YAYA
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                                      I am asking those who have studied the whole Quran.
                                      If its not in the Quran then God hasn't told us.
                                      IS THERE ANY THING GOD AS NOT TOLD US, ASK THE PROPHET
                                      I'm not going to read some garbage just to give me a false answer. It won't be satisfactory.

                                      What is wrong with your logic? * Do you have another book to uphold? * In it, do you find anything you want?

                                      I already sent you many similar verses. It is up to you to accept God's words or reject them.

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                                        YAYA
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                                        Peace

                                        So we go to hell for a bit then after a period of time we go to heaven? confused
                                        Do you have Quranic proof for this?

                                        God bless

                                        A translation of what we read in the Qur'an tells us this

                                        {"Surely, We have prepared for the evildoers a fire, whose pavilion encompasses them. If they call for help, they will be helped with water like molten copper that will scald their faces. How dreadful a drink and how evil a resting place.} (Al-Kahf 18 29)

                                        In another part of the Qur'an, we read

                                        {Certainly, Allah has cursed the unbelievers and prepared for them a blazing fire to dwell therein forever, they shall find neither protector nor helper. On the day when their faces are turned about in the fire, they shall say, "Would that we had obeyed Allah and obeyed the Messenger!"} (Al-Ahzab 33 64-66)

                                        There are other descriptions of Hell that are graphically horrific. Muslims believe that some people will be sent to Hell for all eternity, because we are told so in either the Qur'an or in the sayings of the Prophet (peace be upon him). They will never leave. Some of these people are actually mentioned by name.

                                        According to authorities in Hadith like Al-Bukhari and Muslim, such people include Abu Lahab, Amr ibn Luhai Al-Khuzai, and others. Those who aren't identified by name are identified by description every unbeliever, polytheist, or hypocrite (those who pretend they are Muslims but are not.)

                                        All Muslims in Heaven?

                                        As for your assertion that all Muslims will go to Heaven, we must, of course, add the words, in sha' Allah. We can never presume Allah's actions towards us. Only He knows the true intentions of our hearts.

                                        Given this proviso, however, we do believe that Muslims will go to Heaven, even though they may have committed terrible crimes while they were alive. Muslim belief about this is as follows

                                        When a person dies, he or she will be laid in the grave. The Prophet told us that in the grave, all people will be questioned in the grave about their belief. They will sit up and answer the angels' questions. The believers will answer, "Allah is my Lord, Islam is my religion, and Muhammad is my prophet." The unbelievers will say, "I do not know. I heard the people saying something and I said it."

                                        Once again, Prophet Muhammad is recorded to have said many things about this. Those Muslims who led good lives, obedient to the will of Allah, will rest in comfort in the grave, awaiting the Day of Judgment. Those Muslims who led bad lives, or who were Muslim in name only, will be punished severely in the grave.

                                        In the Qur'an, we read

                                        {If you could only see when the evildoers are in the agonies of death and the angels are stretching out their hands, saying, "Give up your souls! Today you shall be rewarded with the punishment of humiliation for what you used to say untrue about Allah, and for scornfully rejecting His signs."} (Al-An`am 6 93)

                                        On the Day of Judgment, all people will be raised from their graves and their lives will be placed before them. They will have to give an account of how they lived. Good deeds will be weighed against bad deeds.

                                        Once people's deeds have been weighed up and the remaining balance is in their favor, they will then have to give justice to those they offended in this life. If they offended someone, some of their remaining good deeds will be transferred to the offended.

                                        If, after all this, their good deeds weigh as much as even just an atom, they will, in sha' Allah, enter Paradise. If, on the other hand, their good deeds have been exhausted in making up for wrongs they did to others, the offended will transfer some of their bad deeds, so that they go to Hell and suffer not only for their own bad deeds but also for the bad deeds of those they offended.

                                        Allah knows what is best. As Muslims we believe that some Muslims will enter Hell and will remain there being punished until such time as Allah allows them to be released.

                                        Not Temporary, But Relief Is Possible

                                        This is not a temporary Hell. Hell is a fixed, permanent place, but Allah may allow some Muslims to be released from it because of His mercy.

                                        We believe that the Prophet will be allowed by Allah to intercede on behalf of some believers who are in Hell, and by Allah's will they will be taken out of Hell.

                                        Allah will also take out of the Hell some believers, not because someone has interceded on their behalf, but simply because He chooses to.

                                        Your simple question, then, required quite a complicated answer! In summary, as Muslims we believe some wicked Muslims will be sent to Hell for a limited time but ultimately will be granted Paradise because of the mercy of Allah.

                                        I hope that this answers your question. Please keep in touch.

                                        Salam.

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                                          nsws1988
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                                          Peace

                                          Thanks for the Quranic verses YAYA. Remember the prophet Mohammed never died and came back to life nor does he know the future to know what happens in the grave or what happens at Judgement day other than what was revealed to him in the Quran...

                                          They say 'If only a sign was sent down to him from his Lord?' Say, 'The future belongs to God; so wait. I too will wait along with you!'

                                          Say, 'I have no power to benefit or harm myself. What happens to me is only what God wills and if I knew the future I would have taken only the good things and evil would not afflict me. I am only a warner and a bringer of good news to a community who believe

                                          Say, "I do not say to you that I possess the treasures of GOD. Nor do I know the future"

                                          They say, "How come no miracle came down to him from his Lord?" Say, "The future belongs to GOD; so wait, and I am waiting along with you."

                                          "I do not claim that I possess the treasures of GOD, nor do I know the future"

                                          Say, "No one in the heavens and the earth knows the future except GOD"

                                          I recommend belH's response. It contradicts with some of your claims.

                                          God bless

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