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    WHat is the difference between a prophet and a messenger? are they the same or are they entrusted with certain duties by GOD? ???

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      A prophet is simply a human messenger who speaks God's intentions. No angel is called a prophet and there is no such thing as final messenger.

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        From my understanding...

        A Messenger (Rasool) brings a message( risaalah) and a Prophet (Nabiy) is an announcer, a warner

        Nabiy comes from verb NaBa'A
        Rasool comes from verb RaSaLa

        My question is...

        Were all Prophets (Nabiy) messengers (Rasool)?

        Or some were just prophets... and others were both prophets and messengers...

        Also, who is higher in rank... a rasool or a nabiy?

        Will like to get some insights...

        Salaam

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          WHat is the difference between a prophet and a messenger? are they the same or are they entrusted with certain duties by GOD? ???

          A prophet is naby while a Rasool is anyone God sends and they can be angels also but also punishment like the chapter of the Elephant. Its I guess a question of who a message is sent to. Actually the Chapter of the elephants uses the verb of rasool meaning we sent them. Rasool then is somebody sent while the message is the risala. Naby is a prophet who comes to warn people about the punishment and God's account.

          It could be used in other ways in the Koran. Sunnis say Rasool comes with Shariah while prophet's don't. This is not Koranic and relies on the abrogation theory. Other have said naby is a person while rasool comes with scriptures. This could be correct. However the Koran I think used Rasool for the prophet who warned about slaughtering the cow. It never said he came with scriptures plus i am not sure the Injeel is a scripture like the Koran. There is no indication that divine words came to Jesus externally and there is no indication of that with Moses except for the tablet. Other than that they were told what to do or in Moses case God talked to him but in a converstaion manner and not like the Koran which is a message structure. Many prophets in the OT also communicated with God but it does not seem like the Koran which was sent to multiple audiences as well as to Muhammad. The Koran talks to everyone while there is no indication of a Koranic scripture with the other prophets but i maybe wrong.

          However it seems to me that the verse that says Muhammed is a messenger and the seal of the prophets indicate the meaning I gave in the beginning. Messenger meaning he was sent by God and naby means he was sent as a prophet.

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            A prophet is naby while a Rasool is anyone God sends and they can be angels also but also punishment like the chapter of the Elephant. Its I guess a question of who a message is sent to. Actually the Chapter of the elephants uses the verb of rasool meaning we sent them. Rasool then is somebody sent while the message is the risala. Naby is a prophet who comes to warn people about the punishment and God's account.

            It could be used in other ways in the Koran. Sunnis say Rasool comes with Shariah while prophet's don't. This is not Koranic and relies on the abrogation theory. Other have said naby is a person while rasool comes with scriptures. This could be correct. However the Koran I think used Rasool for the prophet who warned about slaughtering the cow. It never said he came with scriptures plus i am not sure the Injeel is a scripture like the Koran. There is no indication that divine words came to Jesus externally and there is no indication of that with Moses except for the tablet. Other than that they were told what to do or in Moses case God talked to him but in a converstaion manner and not like the Koran which is a message structure. Many prophets in the OT also communicated with God but it does not seem like the Koran which was sent to multiple audiences as well as to Muhammad. The Koran talks to everyone while there is no indication of a Koranic scripture with the other prophets but i maybe wrong.

            However it seems to me that the verse that says Muhammed is a messenger and the seal of the prophets indicate the meaning I gave in the beginning. Messenger meaning he was sent by God and naby means he was sent as a prophet.

            Peace Bigmo

            If i understood you well, you are telling that that the People of the Book did not get a book like the Quran... And it was more like advices or something of the like... However, the Quran confirms that they did get a Book... Read 7157

            Those who shall follow the Apostle, the unlettered Prophet whom they shall find written in the Torah and the Injeel that is with them....

            The word used is Maktooban from the word KaTaBa which means to write..

            The advent of a Messenger was not foretold, but well WRITTEN in their books...

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